If JonBenet appeared dead (undetectable pulse and respiration) it doesn't matter if the head injury was visible or not.
Perhaps Patsy did not want JonBenet to be the victim of an accident. She didn't want her life to end in such a mundane way. Being the victim of a killer on Christmas who leaves a RN is more exciting and attention getting.
Did Patsy Ramsey ever express in public any guilt over JonBenet's death? Any blame for putting her into beauty pageants? Any guilt into not securing the house more?
The issue is there is nothing against Patsy so they make stuff up. Can you imagine if we were all held to the same scrutiny?
She was in pageants and she was not a great housekeeper.. Oh boy.
Nothing against Patsy?
Patsy was not able to be excluded as the author of the ransom note.
That is extremely damning evidence right there.
It is possible, and reasonable that the Ramsey's hire/retain attorneys (I'm all for it) and still cooperate with the investigation. Agree to be interviewed with counsel present. Turn over clothing, phone records, medical records etc.- anything being asked. They were innocent according to a few here. Why wouldn't they do these basic things to assist with the investigation- they were innocent right? With nothing to hide- right? Only wanted the intruder/killer caught- right?
It's hard to answer any of this without knowing how the heck she got that head injury.
I don't think anyone actually thinks "Oh, the DA will cover this up no problem!" unless they are the DA's kid or the President of the US or something. The Ramseys weren't that influential. I could see them thinking "No one is going to believe we would beat our child, so if we say this was an accident, who will question it?" Or if, say, Burke hit her, I could see them thinking "They'll believe it's kids goofing around if we say that." I think many families would believe they could convince the DA something was an accident if they had always seemed presentable and respected.
One of the issues I have with RDI is that the injury was not visible and she was not dead. The crazy staging seems like such a leap. I know it's possible they heard the skull crack and knew it was bad, but I just don't know. And I know it would be possible to mistake her for dead, but it just seems they would have tried a bit more to save her and play it off as an accident at that point.
Obviously one issue was the sexual assault, but the evidence on that is still a bit murky so I can't quite figure out how that played out.
And I just don't know how you would present it to a jury and explain what actually happened. Such a strong head bash but no one knows exactly what happened. This isn't a situation with a crazy beating or shaking injuries or something that you can say was definitely the parents losing control. It just seems like there would be doubt.
Also, I think people would be very surprised at the conditions of many people's homes, at least at some points in their lives.
She was not dead. She was breathing and had a heart beat. It is not some science fiction drug that makes people appear dead. She was not dead. The problem is that you have to stretch so far out of normal to make up a scenario in which the family does this to her.
IT is just not factual or plausible. There is no history of abuse or mistreatment. None.
Like I said, if breathing and heartbeat were undetectable to the untrained human eye belonging to a person who had no medical equipment on site with which to test for respiration and pulse, that untrained person might assume JonBenet was already dead, especially if said untrained person was in a panic.
Unless one spent a lot of time with or lived with the Ramseys one would not know what went on behind closed doors. Linda Hoffman-Pugh reported that JonBenet, when Patsy would take Jonbenet into the bathroom and close the door, often screamed and screamed loudly. I believe Mrs. Pugh.
Just as you've said about other folks' posts I don't put a lot of store in non-sourced statements of opinions. We all have one. :twocents:
Like I said, if breathing and heartbeat were undetectable to the untrained human eye belonging to a person who had no medical equipment on site with which to test for respiration and pulse, that untrained person might assume JonBenet was already dead, especially if said untrained person was in a panic.
Unless one spent a lot of time with or lived with the Ramseys one would not know what went on behind closed doors. Linda Hoffman-Pugh reported that JonBenet, when Patsy would take Jonbenet into the bathroom and close the door, often screamed and screamed loudly. I believe Mrs. Pugh.
Just as you've said about other folks' posts I don't put a lot of store in non-sourced statements of opinions. We all have one. :twocents:
How is it extremely damning? Not able to be excluded does not mean she wrote it.
Now, I certainly have my suspicions about the ransom note, and would not be surprised to learn Patsy wrote it, but this is what I mean about the evidence we have. Not excluded is completely different from guilty. Excluded is fairly close to innocent, but the opposite doesn't apply. It's something to pay attention to, certainly, but it's not "damning."
And yes, it's possible she appeared dead and so they never thought otherwise, but it's not particularly common. It's thought she lived for some hours after, right? It seems unlikely they didn't detect anything during that time, because it wasn't as if they left her somewhere thinking she was dead, or quickly threw her in the water believing she was dead. If it happened that way, they were around her for some time, and as her parents, presumably would have really tried to see if she was breathing, unlike the average person who leaves someone to die without realizing it.
"Damning" becomes a characterization when there are other indicators of parental involvement.
We don't know that. Who's to say how it all happened. The consensus was 45 minutes to 2 hours between the head bash and strangulation based on brain swelling and the observed necrosis. It was also concluded that she would have never regained consciousness. We have no idea what happened after the head blow. It's possible, especially if BR, that who ever did it "ran away" from the event, or possibly waited to see if she would "wake up." It's very possible that believing her dead, she was left downstairs alone for a period of time. If so, her systems would have been even further repressed that when the blow first occurred. We don't know.
This is why the "sexual sadist" scenario doesn't fit for me. An unconscious victim isn't what they want.
She was not dead. She was breathing and had a heart beat. It is not some science fiction drug that makes people appear dead. She was not dead. The problem is that you have to stretch so far out of normal to make up a scenario in which the family does this to her.
IT is just not factual or plausible. There is no history of abuse or mistreatment. None.