Penn State Sandusky scandal: AD arrested, Paterno, Spanier fired; coverup charged #3

[LRinCA]

This, from the NY Times article posted by Dr. Fessel clears up a big question in my mind.


As investigators leafed through the old report — it ran close to 100 pages — they came to believe that the campus police officers had truly wanted to make a case against Sandusky, according to people with knowledge of the current investigation. The officers had gone so far as to set up a sting operation in which the boy’s mother called the coach, and, with the police listening in, confronted Sandusky.


I was concerned (or had the impression) that all the information about that incident had been lost on Gricar's hard drive.

 

[wfgodot]

We've touched on several of the issues contained in the reporting at the link below here already, but this is well-sourced, with links to articles quoted from, and to primary documents:

Governor Corbett Funded Sandusky Pet Project, Hid His Abuse (sportsbybrooks.com)

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While the failure of so many at Penn State and The Second Mile to place the welfare of children above their own personal desires has now been established, the lack of action taken by the highest law enforcement official in the state during much of the current Sandusky investigation has yet to be explained. At least sufficiently.

Perhaps that has something to do with that same person being the current Governor of Pennsylvania, Tom Corbett.

Corbett was the state’s Attorney General when the first break in the current Sandusky case took place. In 2008, according to the Grand Jury report, it was first learned that Sandusky had forcibly performed oral sex on an early-teens boy more than 20 times, and forced the child to perform oral sex on the former Penn State Defensive Coordinator.
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Despite the appalling nature of the 2008 charges against Sandusky, and the fact that he still had access to thousands of vulnerable children at The Second Mile, now-Governor Corbett only assigned a single state trooper to investigate the case in March, 2009.

The Second Mile was never notified by Corbett - or anyone in law enforcement for that matter - that Corbett’s investigation had evidence that the children’s charity founder was a child rapist.

Or that Sandusky was being investigated at all!
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Much more, including Corbett okaying the funding for Sandusky's pet project in spite of what he knew, at link above.

Gov. Corbett should resign now and beat the rush.

 

[Pensfan]

Pennsfan, I can tell you feel strongly about this issue. May I mention something, though? Folks in the military and civilians who work for the federal government don't have any real privacy about their compensation. All anyone who wants to know needs to do is pull up the table and read it across. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong, just some perspective.
And one other thing, I'm pretty sure the issues that are being discussed on this thread must be awful for a Penn State fan. Just wanted to pass on a bit of gentle understanding.

Thank you for expressing your understanding. I am not a Penn State fan though.
I am a Pittsburgh Penguin hockey fan. The Penguins are called "the Pens", therefore, Pensfan.




Sandusky's evil behavior and the lies/inaction by his enablers are very disturbing. The distortion/spin of other issues surrounding Penn State should also be disturbing to those interested in truth.

On this thread in the past twenty four hours these untruths, and likely others, were posted:

Other Penn State professors were child abusers. This was untrue. The professor that was mentioned was found "not guilty".

It was posted that Penn State administrators were apathetic to racism and death threats to black students. This was untrue. (See that post for the many actions of Penn State.)

It was posted that Penn State had attempted to coverup a racially motivated homicide of a black man. This was untrue. Ridiculously, the murder wasn't even near a Penn State campus.

It was insinuated that the President of Penn State fought for an exemption from the Right to Know Law because he was trying to hide information related to this pedophile scandal. This is untrue. ALL the university presidents of ALL Pennsylvania state universities along with hundreds of thousand of employees fought for this exemption. (privacy concerns related to their compensation/benefits)

 

[J. J. in Phila]

I had never heard the name Joe Paterno until this story broke. I think most people in the country had not heard of him.

Well, I knew who Paterno was.

When I saw the headline about Sandusky being investigated, I thought it was a city in Ohio. I'm not joking.

 

[LRinCA]

Someone brought up the subject of whether or not Sandusky had a "type" (I think it was on thread #2). From the article Dr. Fessel posted it would seem he did.


"He tended to choose white boys from homes where there was no father or some difficulty in the family, investigators said, and he drew them in with trips to games and expensive gifts like computers."

 

[SyraKelly]

This case just gets bigger & bigger everyday-its mind boggling!!

 

[ScorpRising]

We've touched on several of the issues contained in the reporting at the link below here already, but this is well-sourced, with links to articles quoted from, and to primary documents:

Governor Corbett Funded Sandusky Pet Project, Hid His Abuse (sportsbybrooks.com)

Much more, including Corbett okaying the funding for Sandusky's pet project in spite of what he knew, at link above.

Gov. Corbett should resign now and beat the rush.

Thank you. I feel slightly less like a conspiracy theorist now :crazy:

 

[ScorpRising]

Well, I knew who Paterno was.

When I saw the headline about Sandusky being investigated, I thought it was a city in Ohio. I'm not joking.

Ditto

 

[wfgodot]

This case just gets bigger & bigger everyday-its mind boggling!!

It's unfolding like Watergate did. Still much more to come, too.

 

[Pensfan]

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While the failure of so many at Penn State and The Second Mile to place the welfare of children above their own personal desires has now been established, the lack of action taken by the highest law enforcement official in the state during much of the current Sandusky investigation has yet to be explained. At least sufficiently.

Perhaps that has something to do with that same person being the current Governor of Pennsylvania, Tom Corbett.

Corbett was the state’s Attorney General when the first break in the current Sandusky case took place. In 2008, according to the Grand Jury report, it was first learned that Sandusky had forcibly performed oral sex on an early-teens boy more than 20 times, and forced the child to perform oral sex on the former Penn State Defensive Coordinator.
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Despite the appalling nature of the 2008 charges against Sandusky, and the fact that he still had access to thousands of vulnerable children at The Second Mile, now-Governor Corbett only assigned a single state trooper to investigate the case in March, 2009.

The Second Mile was never notified by Corbett - or anyone in law enforcement for that matter - that Corbett’s investigation had evidence that the children’s charity founder was a child rapist.

Or that Sandusky was being investigated at all!

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We've touched on several of the issues contained in the reporting at the link below here already, but this is well-sourced, with links to articles quoted from, and to primary documents:

Governor Corbett Funded Sandusky Pet Project, Hid His Abuse (sportsbybrooks.com)

Much more, including Corbett okaying the funding for Sandusky's pet project in spite of what he knew, at link above.

Gov. Corbett should resign now and beat the rush.

Uh....that is not true that the Second Mile did not know Sandusky was being investigated for pedophile charges. Jack Raykovitz, a practicing psychologist and director at Second Mile, testified before the grand jury that recommended indicting Sandusky on child abuse charges. He would have been contacted and interviewed before the grand jury met. Nobody knows when that occurred, but it had to have occurred.

 

[ScorpRising]

It's unfolding like Watergate did. Still much more to come, too.

Whispers... Go higher, dig deeper.

 

[LRinCA]

We've touched on several of the issues contained in the reporting at the link below here already, but this is well-sourced, with links to articles quoted from, and to primary documents:

Wow...

This is in direct conflict with what the NY Times article has quoted Wendell Courtney as saying.


… the 1998 incident was reviewed by the University Police and “the child protection agency” with the blessing of then-University counsel Wendell Courtney. Courtney was then and remains counsel for The Second Mile.

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But other than that, “at no time, whether in 1998 or in 2002 or any other point in time, was I made aware or did I have knowledge of Jerry Sandusky engaging in sexual misconduct with young children,” Courtney said. “Had I had any idea that there was even remotely improper conduct with children on any day since the beginning of time, nothing in the world would have kept me from being absolutely certain that it was reported to the police immediately. That is my duty.” (NY Times)

 

[wfgodot]

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Uh....this is not true that the The Second Mile did not know about Sandusky's pedophile charges. Jack Raykovitz, a practicing psychologist, testified before the grand jury that recommended indicting Sandusky on child abuse charges.

The article does not say that Second Mile was unaware of Sandusky's predicament; it says that "Second Mile was never notified by Corbett - or anyone in law enforcement for that matter - that Corbett’s investigation had evidence that the children’s charity founder was a child rapist."

As for practicing psychologist Jack Raykovitz, the article goes on to say that he "personally knew of Sandusky’s 2002 ban from bringing children to Penn State but didn’t attempt to segregate Sandusky in any way from The Second Mile children until Sandusky informed him of the current criminal investigation - which began in 2008."

 

[Pensfan]

Wow...

This is in direct conflict with what the NY Times article has quoted Wendell Courtney as saying.


… the 1998 incident was reviewed by the University Police and “the child protection agency” with the blessing of then-University counsel Wendell Courtney. Courtney was then and remains counsel for The Second Mile.

vs.

But other than that, “at no time, whether in 1998 or in 2002 or any other point in time, was I made aware or did I have knowledge of Jerry Sandusky engaging in sexual misconduct with young children,” Courtney said. “Had I had any idea that there was even remotely improper conduct with children on any day since the beginning of time, nothing in the world would have kept me from being absolutely certain that it was reported to the police immediately. That is my duty.” (NY Times)

The 1998 incident is the incident which the "missing" DA (Ray Gricar) decided not to prosecute.

 

[Pensfan]

The article does not say that Second Mile was unaware of Sandusky's predicament; it says that "Second Mile was never notified by Corbett - or anyone in law enforcement for that matter - that Corbett’s investigation had evidence that the children’s charity founder was a child rapist."

As for practicing psychologist Jack Raykovitz, the article goes on to say that he "personally knew of Sandusky’s 2002 ban from bringing children to Penn State but didn’t attempt to segregate Sandusky in any way from The Second Mile children until Sandusky informed him of the current criminal investigation - which began in 2008."

If the president of Second Mile was interviewed about Sandusky to determine if enough evidence was present to seat a grand jury, I'd say that qualifies as being "notified" by authorities. Maybe Corbett didn't notify them, but the president certainly knew a long time before he was called to testify at the grand jury because he was interviewed to determine if there should be a grand jury.

 

[wfgodot]

If the president of Second Mile was interviewed about Sandusky to determine if enough evidence was present to seat a grand jury, I'd say that qualifies as being "notified" by authorities. Maybe Corbett didn't notify them, but the president certainly knew a long time before he was called to testify at the grand jury because he was interviewed to determine if there should be a grand jury.

I'll not quibble. Raykovitz allowed Sandusky access to Second Mile children for six years, although he knew. Penn State sold forty acres of land to Sandusky's Second Mile for the project at a very nice price, although they knew. Corbett funded Sandusky's Second Mile "dream project" to the tune of $3,000,000 taxpayer dollars, although he knew.

It would appear that from The Second Mile to the halls of Penn State to the governor's office, they all knew.

 

[SyraKelly]

Someone brought up the subject of whether or not Sandusky had a "type" (I think it was on thread #2). From the article Dr. Fessel posted it would seem he did.


"He tended to choose white boys from homes where there was no father or some difficulty in the family, investigators said, and he drew them in with trips to games and expensive gifts like computers."

We've touched on several of the issues contained in the reporting at the link below here already, but this is well-sourced, with links to articles quoted from, and to primary documents:

Governor Corbett Funded Sandusky Pet Project, Hid His Abuse (sportsbybrooks.com)

Much more, including Corbett okaying the funding for Sandusky's pet project in spite of what he knew, at link above.

Gov. Corbett should resign now and beat the rush.

I don't even want to tell you all what was going through my mind when I was reading what this pet project would have inside of it.Let me just say-Thank GOd above- Sandusky will have no part of it!!speechless!!

 

[Pensfan]

As for practicing psychologist Jack Raykovitz, he should have his license YANKED and never be allowed to be work as a psychologist again. I wonder when the state professional licensing board will yank his license. Not soon enough, IMO. He knew ten years ago and did nothing.

 

[Concerned Papa]

We've touched on several of the issues contained in the reporting at the link below here already, but this is well-sourced, with links to articles quoted from, and to primary documents:

Governor Corbett Funded Sandusky Pet Project, Hid His Abuse (sportsbybrooks.com)

Much more, including Corbett okaying the funding for Sandusky's pet project in spite of what he knew, at link above.

Gov. Corbett should resign now and beat the rush.

It's going to be interesting to see the extent of political whirlwind that develops around a Governor who gave $3,000,000.00 of taxpayer money to a child rapist's pet project and primary source of victims.

A Governor in New York was forced to resign a couple of years ago for giving a few thousand of his OWN money to a prostitute. He's looking like a choir boy next to this guy.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The 1998 incident is the incident which the "missing" DA (Ray Gricar) decided not to prosecute.

From the NYT:

Ultimately, the district attorney decided against taking the case to trial, a decision that, years later, the attorney general’s investigators could well understand. According to people with knowledge of the current Sandusky case, the district attorney’s decision in 1998 was a close call, even with the evidence the campus police had.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/s...sandusky-investigators.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2

I think that there is some level of responsibility on his (the DA's) part.