Penn State's athletic director plus ex-Paterno assistant charged in child sex case

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J. J. in Phila said:
Paterno has had a brilliant football career and I'll let him have a last hurrah. The season will be over in a month.
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Um seriously? Paterno needs to take the moral high ground and step down immediately. He HAS had a brilliant, storied football career that will now be forever marred by this. He needs be the first to step up and say, "I messed up." Maybe, over time, he will be forgiven for not coming forward when he should have if he owns up to his mistake now. If not, well, he's not nearly the leader that people think he is.
 
Seriously, I just don't know how he(Paterno) could have worked side by side with this man knowing what he knew. And KNOWING kids were still in a position to be preyed upon by a monster like Sandusky?!?! Unacceptable. At the minimum he could have contacted police anonymously. And I do understand hindsight is 20/20, but when it comes to knowing someone is abusing children, you do not need to have hindsight to know what to do in that situation. I think EVERYONE who knew about this and didn't report it to the authorities, and allowed him to continue working with these kids, and as a coach, should be charged with abetting him if that is possible.
 
This is my first trip to this thread, so if what I have to say is redundant, please bear with me.

When this story first broke, I initially felt sympathy for Joe Paterno. After all, everything I read said he broke no laws and dutifully reported the matter to his superiors at Penn State. How was he supposed to do anything more?

THEN, I read Sandusky's indictment.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/72104007/Sandusky-Indictment

Joe Paterno enabled this monster by continuing to employ him in the Penn State football program. Sandusky's modus operandi was to expose these boys to the glitz and glamour of a college football team from the sidelines during games as well as the inner circle of the entire program. Joe Paterno KNEW EXACTLY what this "man" was doing with the constant presence of these young boys yet he still allowed him to remain as a key member of his staff. Joe Paterno, in his own way, made possible the continuing abuse of these children by this pedophile.

My sympathy has turned to a building RAGE. How dare you Mr. Paterno? These were God's children. Not your employee's lil diversion!

To HELL with you, Joe Paterno. Forty years of admiration by an ex linebacker for The University of Georgia is GONE!
 
davehead21 said:
Um seriously? Paterno needs to take the moral high ground and step down immediately. He HAS had a brilliant, storied football career that will now be forever marred by this. He needs be the first to step up and say, "I messed up." Maybe, over time, he will be forgiven for not coming forward when he should have if he owns up to his mistake now. If not, well, he's not nearly the leader that people think he is.
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I wish I could truly know he feels...I can't imagine the huge amount of guilt he has been living with(or at least should have been living with)...but I want to know if he did feel bad before this came to light, and if he is relieved it came to light...not that it would make anything any better, I would just like to know his true reasons for not coming forward...was it a since of coworker comradery? Was it fear?

I just posted saying he could have anonymously tipped off police, but he could have also tipped off media....he had SO many routes that he could have taken, but to choose to just be mum and think not letting him bring kids into the shower was enough is just beyond my comprehension!?!?!

Then again I think anyone who abuses a child should be put BENEATH the jail. :maddening:
 
I am hearing the number 24 being mentioned for the victims coming forward so far.

Out of the first 8 one led directly to Paterno.

Odds say at least 2 more will lead to Paterno knowing about them.

Disgusting Monster.
 
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?

I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.

So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
 
Dr.Fessel said:
I am hearing the number 24 being mentioned for the victims coming forward so far.

Out of the first 8 one led directly to Paterno.

Odds say at least 2 more will lead to Paterno knowing about them.

Disgusting Monster.
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BBM

He knew about every one he saw, which was likely most of them. Sandusky committed several of these rapes, NOT in some "secret hideaway", NOT in the dark, NOT even behind locked doors! He was in the wide open confines of Penn State's team shower!

The complete lack of reprecussion on the part of Paterno and University officials apparently led this monster to believe he had the tacit approval of his superiors! Why should he hide?

ETA: From the indictment, this is how safe and wide open this monster felt:

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9:30 PM IN THE WIDE OPEN, FULLY LIGHTED SHOWER AT PENN STATE'S TEAM FACILITY and apparently didn't even care that he'd been seen!

There's no way in hell Paterno didn't know EXACTLY what his employee was doing to these children.
 
believe09 said:
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?

I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.

So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
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BBM - me either! I just can't imagine another grown man seeing that happen, and not stepping in. At the risk of condoning violence, I must admit I would have bashed him. :innocent:

I think we as humans have to stop allowing cowardice to control our actions. People nowadays are wimpy IMO, and fear to stand up for what the believe in because the mentality that life is just to comfy these days and you don't buck the horse when things are going good for yourself. Which is just pathetic.

I worked in a very small lab, and when they were interviewing candidates one had been convicted of felony child abuse, and sexual assault on a child under the age of 12(if i recall 100%) and I literally told my supervisor, and her boss, that if that person was hired, I would take my research elsewhere. Sure, I could have lost my job for coming out of pocket and refusing to work with what was an otherwise ideal candidate(probably the best for the job tbh) but in the end, that person didn't get hired because I took a stand. Its not that I don't believe in second chances, but, people who abuse children more than likely will continue to do it. And I feel like if people fear the reaction of the community to their devious deeds, instead of just light jail sentences that get cut short, maybe they would stop preying on the helpless. Instead, these people get to melt back into society, with no one none the wiser. I say, drive them out of our neighborhoods/schools/churches and everywhere else they lurk!
 
And where are they supposed to go, Dogface? The Moon?

Its not that I don't agree with your sentiments, but child safety has to come first, before our own feelings of anger and disgust at these crimes. And child safety is not helped by driving paedophiles underground. If the authorities aren't going to lock them up for life then they have to be kept in view and supervised by the community around them.
 
believe09 said:
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?

I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.

So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
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Paterno is in his 80s, he comes from a generation where male rape wasn't really dealt with. Its also a generation which frequently seemed not to know the difference between pederasty and homosexuality. It wouldn't surprise me if Paterno rationalised all this to himself as Sandusky's embarrassing little secret, in much the same manner as more modern minds would react to a married man who had adult male partners behind his wife's back.

He should have retired years ago, I don't care how good his win record was.
 
Years ago here.

There was an elementary school with a teacher (male) that was sexually abusing little girls. When this started (and yes, I say started) the girls were in Kindergarten.

3 of the girls went to the principal "to tell". The principal intimiated and "bullied" the little girls by telling them that "if you really want to say this, then I'll have to call the police and they will come and question you and then your parents will be called at work and have to come here...." :eek: stuff like that. Well, of the the girls recanted and were sent back to class.

Years later - the girls were now in 5th grade - and this "freak" was still there - still doing what he "did". One of the girls came forward again. This time it was taken seriously. This time EVERYONE including LE got involved. It was a public school - so the district came out swinging and spinning, held a "school community/neighborhood meeting". I was there - my son was enrolled at the school at the time. Well, during that meeting - one of the parents was speaking and brought up the "years ago" incident where the principal had basically bullied the girls. The district asst superintendent was FLOORED. The look on his face was priceless. The prinicpal never reported ANYTHING to ANYBODY.

The "freak" went to prison. The prinicpal was allowed to "retire" BUT they took away his pension. He fought and fought in the courts and eventually lost. Never got his pension.



As for where, we, as a "community" are supposed to send these "freaks" - I believe we need to create our own communities. Gated, carded, everyone there is seriously vetted before even being allowed into the gate. This could even expand into towns where the shops and sotre owners are vetted as well. Rather than "banish" these guys - let's just start our own place and keep them out kinda thing. Is this right? IDK - but this is a huge problem all over this country. Where I live in mega-urbanville - I have over 800 RSO's living within 5 miles of my house and I live right down the street from a public school - so they certainly can't live here.

I'm disgusted over this whole thing. It literally makes me sick to my stomach.
 
believe09 said:
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?

I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.

So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
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I can't believe it either. I have a real problem with the first 28-year old man (graduate assistant) not intervening and calling 911 right away. Instead he calls Daddy? Then Daddy calls JoePa and they all have a meeting the next day? Are you kidding me? If junior wasn't man enough to call 911, then I guess Daddy wasn't either. That makes me very angry. Were they so beholding to JoePa for junior's assistant job that they felt obligated to go through him and then keep quiet? I just don't get it.

If that was the 28-year old man's 10-year old brother, nephew, next door neighbor or sister being raped would he have intervened? Called 911? Or just called Daddy and had tea with JoePa the next day?

He was so appalled that he did nothing but tell Daddy and JoePa? He was so appalled that when nothing was ever done that he didn't go to the police on his own?

Same with the janitor. I don't give any of them a pass. They think that telling a supervisor resolves them of any responsibility. No. It was a child and they did nothing to stop it or report the crime to law enforcement. Talk about morally bankrupt. How could they not do anything???

Major moral issue for the individuals involved...all of them and an absolute institutional and cultural problem for Penn State. Those kids cheering at the pep rally on JoePa's lawn last night, need to read the indictment and do a little soul searching. Hope we don't see them having a pep rally for the recently departed former Bishop in Philly. Same thing.

JoePa should have left years ago. He doesn't get it and at his age, probably didn't get it 15 years ago and won't get it tomorrow. He should just leave now.

:twocents:
 
believe09 said:
Did Paterno feel bad? Apparently not bad enough, right?

I cant get over the two men who witnessed the two assaults and did nothing to intervene.

So, of course, I am wondering how many other assaults were witnessed and how many others didnt report it. Because Sandusky knew that he had been seen, by both men, right?
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And one calls his father instead of the cops!:banghead:
 
LNL said:
I can't believe it either. I have a real problem with the first 28-year old man (graduate assistant) not intervening and calling 911 right away. Instead he calls Daddy? Then Daddy calls JoePa and they all have a meeting the next day? Are you kidding me? If junior wasn't man enough to call 911, then I guess Daddy wasn't either. That makes me very angry. Were they so beholding to JoePa for junior's assistant job that they felt obligated to go through him and then keep quiet? I just don't get it.

If that was the 28-year old man's 10-year old brother, nephew, next door neighbor or sister being raped would he have intervened? Called 911? Or just called Daddy and had tea with JoePa the next day?

He was so appalled that he did nothing but tell Daddy and JoePa? He was so appalled that when nothing was ever done that he didn't go to the police on his own?

Same with the janitor. I don't give any of them a pass. They think that telling a supervisor resolves them of any responsibility. No. It was a child and they did nothing to stop it or report the crime to law enforcement. Talk about morally bankrupt. How could they not do anything???

Major moral issue for the individuals involved...all of them and an absolute institutional and cultural problem for Penn State. Those kids cheering at the pep rally on JoePa's lawn last night, need to read the indictment and do a little soul searching. Hope we don't see them having a pep rally for the recently departed former Bishop in Philly. Same thing.

JoePa should have left years ago. He doesn't get it and at his age, probably didn't get it 15 years ago and won't get it tomorrow. He should just leave now.:twocents:
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Being a practicing Catholic could also have played a part in WHY Paterno and possibly others didn't do more to STOP the abuse. Unfortunately there has been and still is alot of denial going on concerning practicing Catholics, and the involvement of sexual abuse at the hands of those who have power in the church...For the record.. I am a Catholic...JMHO

ETA..For certain many parishoners refuse to confront the problem head on, just hoping it will ALL go away..JMHO
 
I just heard on HLN a mother did report Sandusky back in 98' and her claims were basically dismissed by law enforcement authorities...
 
Madden: Sandusky a State secret (Beaver County Times)
Posted: Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:55 pm | Updated: 4:34 pm, Mon Apr 4, 2011.

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It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?
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This story's been known for quite awhile but, for whatever reason, it was buried until the attorney general released the damning report a few days ago. Much more by-now-familiar-sounding stuff at link above.
 
FoxSports's Bill Reiter, updating an earlier article in the aftermath of Joe Paterno's statement released earlier today:

Buried in the statement Joe Paterno released this morning announcing that he plans to retire at the end of this season is the final piece of evidence, if you are one of the few who still need it, that the man must be removed from his head-coaching job immediately.

“That’s why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season,” it reads. “At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.”

Paterno, on the heels of a sex scandal involving allegations that Jerry Sandusky, his former defensive coordinator, serially abused young boys, and Paterno did not do enough to put a stop to that abuse when alerted in 2002, is now issuing instructions to the Board of Trustees?

Shame on you. The proper path forward is clear: Joe must go. Now. Today. Without another moment to lose.
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more here: Joe Paterno must step down....immediately
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