PatLaurel
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Tell me you see a scrap of paper with a face in a sombrero on it!!!That's what I see as a scrap of paper.![]()
MOO JMO
Tell me you see a scrap of paper with a face in a sombrero on it!!!That's what I see as a scrap of paper.![]()
Could be. I feel like I see something different every time I look.I think they're bleached jeans, not wet. JMO
Don't see a sombrero, but I can see a familiar face.Tell me you see a scrap of paper with a face in a sombrero on it!!!I know, i know... I suffer from severe pareidolia!
MOO JMO
They had brown hair? Or blonde? (The thread is a little confusing.) That does seem an interesting possibility.I think this person might be Brecksville John Doe found in 1976 and presumed to have died in 1975. I think Alcala someway aquired this photo.
This person had brown long hair with bleached parts. And jeans. No facial reconstruction though.
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OH - OH - Brecksville, I-77, WhtMale 17-26, UP15056, poss dyed hair, ring, campaign matches, Feb’76
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Unidentified White Male NamUs #UP15056 Date Body Found: February 24, 1976 Location Found: Brecksville, Cuyahoga County, Ohio ME/C Case Number: 161264 Estimated Age Group: Late Teen/Young Adult Estimated Age Range (Years): 17-26...www.websleuths.com
The question is whether he had a negative for this picture and if so a single one or on a roll.They had brown hair? Or blonde? (The thread is a little confusing.) That does seem an interesting possibility.
I agree with your theory of Alcala possibly collecting violent images of acts he did not commit. Trading cards for sickos, inspiration, heck he would probably consider that sort of thing "art."
One question though: Is there such a thing as forensics geared towards photography? That is, might his equipment or developing techniques have had quirks that marked image as his? I do not have the personal level of experience with film to know, but do have a few old cameras and one reason I enjoy some of the much older ones--i.e. older than the 70s--is the effects/imperfections some leave. (scratches, etc.)
I know Alcala was incarecrated in 1975, but just noting this missing teenager as the appearance and details are interesting. (i.e. in case someone else took the photo.) Andrew Memmelaar – The Charley Project
Edited: This in particular :He has a one-inch scar on his lower left arm and a scar from cyst removal near his right armpit.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.www.namus.gov
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.www.namus.gov
Very similar appearance. It sounds as though this guy may have been suicidal, but possible he just left the group for a short break and met foul play.
I wasn't invalidating your suggestion... That's why I used the word "unfortunately". Because I always thought the NY MP, wearing faded blue jeans, could be a good match, until i found a more detailed timeline for RA's whereabouts. "Unfortunately" i had to rule him out.Yes, I am well aware. I mentioned that in my reply. I included the two young men just in case Alcala was not the photographer, which I also mentioned.
I'm not sure how probable that is, since law enforcement has labeled these images as his, butI do think it is theoretically possible for an image to have been his in the sense he possessed it vs he was there and a participant in whatever happened. Since others have raised the possibility someone else may have taken this photo, I noticed some similarities to the subject and both of those young men and noted.
My personal opinion: this person is probably yet another one of the countless people either never reported missing, or reported missing and purged when they turned 18 or shortly after. They;re probably not someone we will find in NAMUS, etc. So frustrating! Can't hurt to keep trying though.
Hope this clarifies.
I don't think Alcala took this picture so the date doesn't matter other than prior to his 1979 arrest.I know Alcala was incarecrated in 1975, but just noting this missing teenager as the appearance and details are interesting. (i.e. in case someone else took the photo.) Andrew Memmelaar – The Charley Project
Edited: This in particular :He has a one-inch scar on his lower left arm and a scar from cyst removal near his right armpit.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.www.namus.gov
I stumbled upon this thread when I was searching for info on the Brecksville John Doe.I think this person might be Brecksville John Doe found in 1976 and presumed to have died in 1975. I think Alcala someway aquired this photo.
This person had brown long hair with bleached parts. And jeans. No facial reconstruction though.
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OH - OH - Brecksville, I-77, WhtMale 17-26, UP15056, poss dyed hair, ring, campaign matches, Feb’76
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Unidentified White Male NamUs #UP15056 Date Body Found: February 24, 1976 Location Found: Brecksville, Cuyahoga County, Ohio ME/C Case Number: 161264 Estimated Age Group: Late Teen/Young Adult Estimated Age Range (Years): 17-26...www.websleuths.com
That's an old post of mine. I need to think back. Probably because of the prickly ash and akebia quinata and his facial structure.I stumbled upon this thread when I was searching for info on the Brecksville John Doe.
What makes you think it was him?
You've clearly put some thought into this!The left leg is amputated below the knee. It looks like a plank has been put in the jeans' trouser leg.
interestingly enough, on the background of Ciggie girl smoking there's a man with a left leg prothesis. And she's wearing a hearing aid. This is the Aztec Motel in Miami.
Lastly, there's this red band on the smoking photo at the top. You can see the same on the Foliage person photo. I assume light hot in the film roll. Imo these photos are close in time.
Edit: can't see the red line on the Foliage photo. Must have seen it on another version. Need to verify though.