Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #11

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Perhaps Anita VDS has endeavored to put her life back together.

Perhaps some friend or family member, showed her all the 2008 video clips of her son, JVDS, talking smack about selling girls in the Thai sex-trafficking. Video of him sitting in a bedroom, while two other guys "slow pitched" two young Thai girls, about the business opportunity as "dancers" in the Netherlands.

With a little luck, Anita got a clue.


Really, what does it matter whether or not Anita is in Peru? She and Joran had not spoken for some time. He was heading down a road she did not want for him but was powerless to stop. I am sure she is thinking of her other two boys now. I am sure she will go to Peru and attempt to see Joran but is in no position, as a mother, to drop her other sons and their needs at this time.

Never has it been proven that Anita has done anything wrong.
 
I think you're on the right track; Stephany's father appears to be a powerful figure- another "coincidence" that Joran happens to choose his daughter to murder, on the exact five year anniversary of Natalee's disapperance?

Keep in mind that everything you are hearing, from Joran's "confession" to all the leaks about him supposedly leading them to Natalee's body, now claiming his father buried her, etc., are coming from behind closed doors, through sources (Peruvian authorities) that should be viewed with great skepticism.

The way this is progressing, I think that Joran will not live to stand trial. The police in Peru will not be criticized at all for his death- on the contrary, they will be lauded for their exceptional efforts at investigation, which produced a "confession" from the wiley, impossible to nail down "psychopath" in only a few days. Joran will then go down in history as the killer of Natalee Holloway and Stephany (perhaps they'll add on a few more "confessions" for good measure- like the girls in Columbia- and portray him as the "casino" serial killer many believe him to be).

I hope I'm wrong, but at this point there is little reason to be confident.

I don't think he will live long enough for trial either. It certainly does make a great story, I know I've been riveted for over a week. :angel:
 
[bbm]

I was wondering the same thing. Perhaps she just didn't want to go home (argument with father); perhaps she was waiting to win her big payout from the game (idk anything about poker); perhaps she was drugged (although I haven't seen her with a drink in her hand) - all these questions and if only ... )-;

I am just speculating and haven't watched all of the videos - Is it possible that he told her he had cash back in his room if she could spot him a few bucks to keep him in the game. It drives me crazy wondering why the heck she would go into that room with him. It doesn't appear to be a romantic encounter at all.
 
Hey y'all! My mom wanted me to ask you guys if there is anything on this case recently that has not been on HLN and such. Sorry I haven't been keeping up. :blush:

But I gotta ask for my mama.

GVS on Fox has the new video of Joran with the coffee cups on next.
 
I don't think he will live long enough for trial either. It certainly does make a great story, I know I've been riveted for over a week. :angel:

Me too. Its always interesting to see karma served on someone.
 
Perhaps Anita VDS has endeavored to put her life back together.

Perhaps some friend or family member, showed her all the 2008 video clips of her son, JVDS, talking smack about selling girls in the Thai sex-trafficking. Video of him sitting in a bedroom, while two other guys "slow pitched" two young Thai girls, about the business opportunity as "dancers" in the Netherlands.

With a little luck, Anita got a clue.
My point is that I didnt see her anywhere in the video encouraging this behavior.
 
Hey y'all! My mom wanted me to ask you guys if there is anything on this case recently that has not been on HLN and such. Sorry I haven't been keeping up. :blush:

But I gotta ask for my mama.

Hi Miss Moderator!!! Good to see ya! Think we are just rehashing....I don't think anything new but you know me and I have been wrong before:dance:
 
GVS on Fox has the new video of Joran with the coffee cups on next.
Many thanks ~ I wasn't watching her show!

Oh she's also showing the video of him being transferred to the prison and some video of another Peruvian prison.
 
Thanks guys! I'll be a better daughter and come by more often. :D
 
Hey y'all! My mom wanted me to ask you guys if there is anything on this case recently that has not been on HLN and such. Sorry I haven't been keeping up. :blush:

But I gotta ask for my mama.

Not yet, Kimster, tell mom pretty much the same thing on HLN. Dateline has a 2 hour special tonight.
 
Me too. Its always interesting to see karma served on someone.

I love the idea of karma, but every time I try to rationalize it in my mind I hit the wall with this type of thought:

Was Stephany being "served up" a big dose of karma? You can't have it both ways IMO.
 
My point is that I didnt see her anywhere in the video encouraging this behavior.

Yes, totally agree with you.
I got the feeling that Paulus VDS "ran the show". Complete speculation on my part; but I sensed that she was completely dominated and manipulated by JVDS and his father.
 
So what is Joran doing exactly with the coffee cup video? Was he pretending she was sleeping and couldnt open the door? Did they not give him the key because they knew she was still in the room? I dont get what he was doing, maybe thats a good thing, lol. How bizarre.
 
Greta: he'll be in solitary confinement, a bucket in the corner for the "bathroom", suicide watch for at least four to five months for his own safety. Reporter saying he's in for a very rough ride.

She's moving on to the coffee video. :woohoo:
 
I get that you for some reason feel that VDS is innocent. Not sure if you think he's also innocent of NH murder as well, but that's beside the point.
I have no problem with people believing anything they want.

I do get bothered when it appears people ignore something they can see, or pick and choose evidence if it bolsters their theory. You have stated in several posts that the coffee video somehow exculpates VDS. What you keep failing to mention is your explanation for why in the world he would leave the hotel room, fail to shut the door completely, immediately begin knocking, realize he has not shut the door, pull the door shut, and then immediately begin knocking again. Please explain how this shows anything other than VDS trying to create an alibi. Please explain why he knocks on a still-open door, and then shuts it and knocks again.

Innocent people rarely need to create alibis- because they usually naturally have one. It's the thing they were doing when they weren't committing crimes.

I am not trying to be snarky, but I really want to know why it does not bother you that VDS KNOCKS ON AN OPEN DOOR, then sees it's open, closes it and begins again. I am not the only person who has seen this in the video, and the newspapers have reported it as well.

An Occam's Razor take on this would be that he had planned to do something- who knows what? See if knocking would draw attention? Check out how busy the corridor was? Most likely once he saw the camera he realized he shouldn't be practising his alibi in the hallway, and then realized he'd either left his key at the front desk or in the room. He had no keys in his hand, and did not lock the door from the outside. He did not need to. ALL motel rooms lock automatically from the outside, and the inner locks are just an extra security lock. I have been to many hotels/motels in my life, and it's pretty obvious that staff are trained to NEVER enter a room when they open the door for you, unless you ask them to bring baggage inside. There was no chance the staff would have entered and seen the body, unless he called attention to it, which he did not.

** BUMP ** Great points. I would like to hear an explanation as well.
 
Wow, He stayed in the room for an hour after the coffee cup video.
 
I think he is "pretending"....appears disorientated, checks the halls for witnesses. Needs help going back in room.
 
Not yet, Kimster, tell mom pretty much the same thing on HLN. Dateline has a 2 hour special tonight.

Do you know what time Dateline comes on? It doesn't matter which time zone you are in---I'll convert it to mine :) TIA.
 
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