Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #13

[Missy70Texas]

My son who speaks Spanish said "mal en cabeza" means bad in the head. He said there is another Spanish word for headache. He said it could mean crazy or worried.

I speak spanish ie: border spanish (Texas) and when I say "esta mal de la cabeza" I am saying he is not right in the head or the dude is psycho. When I say "tengo un dolor de cabeza" I am saying I have a headache.

 

[georger]

Wow!!!!!!! Unbelievable. Thank you!!

Did anyone else notice the Spanish notations printed on the screen when the doctor (or guy who took his blood pressure) was asking questions? I only know a very few basic words of Spanish but it appears that Joran said "mal en cabeza" which I think would translate into "sick in head".

I saw that too!

I took it as literally "sick in the head" ie. "mentally sick in the head". ?

I was astounded ... did he really say that? Admit that?

 

[cat thief]

Well, he has his blanket....

I think it's referred to a "blankee" in there.raying:

 

[Philly]

I think once he's convicted he'll move into general population. But even with him being in solitary confinement, I don't know how safe he'll be. All it takes is one guard to leave his cell door open. As has been posted previously it would be a considered an honor for any prisoner to kill him.

Hi folks. New here - my first post. I think its only a matter of time when he gets killed. Since there is no death penalty is Peru, and many killers in prison, they have absolutely nothing to lose and much "prestige" to gain.

IMO

 

[georger]

I take it that Joran is not fond of Cuba Cuba. It is unbelievable that he is still running his game about revealing the location of Natalee's body. If he had his way, they would be digging up half of Aruba. Natalee will never be found. She was taken by boat far out to sea and deposited there.

Natalie is the ONLY chip he has left. He must try to play it and hope for a miracle.

 

[panthera]

Hi folks. New here - my first post. I think its only a matter of time when he gets killed. Since there is no death penalty is Peru, and many killers in prison, they have absolutely nothing to lose and much "prestige" to gain.

IMO

Welcome, Philly! He'll probably be safe in his solitary cell but once he gets into general population will be an entirely different matter, imo.

 

[georger]

I have never believed the Natalee story played into this. I DO believe that he liked the attention he got from it and so his first defense mechanism was "I was wrongfully accused of murder, everyone hates me, I got mad and couldn't help myself, Pity me!"

I just haven't been able to decide WHY he murdered her.

Why? There really is no why ... just a lifetime of behavior. He reacted.

see:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=10903660&page=1

 

[justthinkin]

I think I know how Joran got Stephanie into his motel room. He most likely borrowed chips or money from her at the casino, and told her he had the money to pay her back in his motel room. She thought she was going there to collect what he owed her. This makes perfect sense to me, and as usual, MOO.

To respond to the post and quote above mine, I do believe Joran planned this. After all, he had tidal charts for Lima in his possession. That would indicate premeditation. Stephanie was totally set up in advance. Joran knew he needed money, and may have been biding his time until a day when she won the most he'd seen her win.

 

[pghbrandi]

Welcome Philly!

 

[georger]

Why do the Dutch just keep kissing this kids butt. I just do not get it.

Just my opnion but I think its the Colonial attitude - they see themselves
as different-superior to everyone else and Joran is just one of their own.
Recall how they ruled So. Africa for so many years.

 

[FLNY]

Here is another link which impresses me for its straightforward reporting
about Joran and his life, which may cut through a lot of speculation.
See:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wirestory?id=10903660&page=1
If the report above is correct, Joran is not some cunning genius who plots out every move but a genuinely lost soul who has fumbled through life with an underlying cognitive disability which can lead to him having a hair-trigger followed by large rage (and people get hurt).
The above article (as I read it) defuses a lot of the media hype surrounding Joran and puts everything on a more realistic plane. Its not a large jump from the reality in your link above to the description in my link, a contrast I find most interesting ...

Well, he certainly is a troubled soul. IMO the blame has to fall on his parents either because his upbringing gave him this sense of entitlement with no restraint or because they ignored signs of psychological issues and didn't get him the proper treatment early on. Now, not only is his life ruined, but the lives of two innocent women have been lost.

 

[rotterdam]

Natalie is the ONLY chip he has left. He must try to play it and hope for a miracle.

I think, it is a worthless chip in Peru. However, by playing this chip, he has basically admitted/confessed that he is involved in Natalee's death. Anybody who still had doubts, should realize that. That includes Aruba.

 

[suzihawk]

Hi folks. New here - my first post. I think its only a matter of time when he gets killed. Since there is no death penalty is Peru, and many killers in prison, they have absolutely nothing to lose and much "prestige" to gain.

IMO

Welcome, Philly!

 

[georger]

I would be disgusted with my government if they provided any monies or assistance at all to Joran. The ex-Prime Minister, Jan Peter Balkenende washed his hands of Mr. van der Sloot a few days ago and distanced himself AND our country from him and what he has done (and continued to do).

We all want him to stay in Peru and rot there until he can move into his condo in hell.

I just want to say my condolences to you and your whole country in
this mess ... enough said.

 

[Kimmer]

:Welcome-12-june: Philly....

 

[rotterdam]

Hi folks. New here - my first post. I think its only a matter of time when he gets killed. Since there is no death penalty is Peru, and many killers in prison, they have absolutely nothing to lose and much "prestige" to gain.

IMO

I think money(lots of it) will trump prestige. You can not buy anything with prestige in Castro Castro.

 

[Kenon]

Ya know when I first saw him 5 years ago. I really didn't keep up with the story, as he made me sick. I felt he was such an arrogant pig. I used to think he will get his or do something again. Well that happened. Now when I watched him walk into the cell and the conditions my stomach sunk. I can't believe I am going to say this. I kind of felt sorry, but then I also started thinking about Natalie and Stephany and they had no chance. Now this guy has no chance and he deserves it. I think it would be a good thing if someone killed him or he should try to figure out a way to do it, cuz there is no way in hell a human being could live that way. That is just insane. One more thing. How did that other criminal I think Trujillo have his face in the camera when Joran was being put in his cell?

 

[Dutchie Treat]

Just my opnion but I think its the Colonial attitude - they see themselves
as different-superior to everyone else and Joran is just one of their own.
Recall how they ruled So. Africa for so many years.

I take offense to that, myself being Dutch. We do not think we are superior to anyone. Actually, if you go back to Calvin and the way the Dutch personality and social demeanor was formed you would find that the Dutch are a very sober folk that feel required by society to be modest and never to toot their own horn so to speak. Generally speaking, of course, and all exceptions aside.

I would be careful about lumping the Dutch and Aruba (Antillians) into one common denominator. Aruba, while one of the colonized Antillan islands, has its own government locally and also has its own judicial system. Their manner of dealing with Joran is different than the Netherlands proper would deal with him.

He is an embarassment to the Dutch people and we do not want to be associated with him at all. Most of us think along the same lines as Peter R. De Vries. We also call it Karma and she is kicking his *advertiser censored* in a big way. I hope he rots in Peru as long as he can stay alive in that prison.

 

[Linda7NJ]

"Stephany possibly tortured for PINs"

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/...Stephany-mogelijk-gemarteld-om-pincodes.dhtml

(Dutch article)

Now that sorta makes sense...

 

[Kimmer]

Dutch Treat, I have always wondered and you seem to be a great one to ask, when this whole NH thing went down and the Holloways did not feel that the Aruban LE was doing there job, could they have went somewhere in the Dutch Goverment to try and get help with this case? I have always wondered that but had no idea who to ask....