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Why not move it to Greenland, and move the capitol of France to
.... Tibet. Let's see. Where would she like the Chicago Cubs moved to?
Can someone give me a link to his confession in english, I have yet to be able to find it...Thanks..
Welcome Bararino I am happy that you have finally posted very insightful posts.
He was gambling underage when he met NH in the casino in Aruba and he had access to a $5,000 line of credit (his father's) at the same casino. This in itself shows that he and his father thought they were 'above the law' (MOO).
It will be interesting to see why inmate #326390 despises women.
Yes he hates Beth H. and no regards for his victims, also looks like
mom also.
Wonder what his life was really like.
Why the separate living quarters within the home?
What age did they move him in his own quarters?
Where did he get the money to party, gamble while still in school?
Did inmate #326390 ever have rules? guidelines?
Was he a child handed money and adults said go play, get out of here?
Was he the golden boy to dad and mom that did disipline?
Was he just a spoiled brat like Scott P? KC?
What happened?
RE: The elbowing
Does anyone have any answers to one of the questions I posed above.
Is Joran known to have studied any martial arts?
Now I know he was good at sports. I evens aw how a quote from his mother has been incorrectly cited as "delicious sporter", when she said "fantastic sporter" [I saw the actual video interview] with "sporter" meaning sportsman. So we know he did tennis and futbol (soccer), but his use of the elbow to effctively kill her (severe brain damage IMO) is an indication that he studied martial arts.
So Arruba?
Thailand?
Thanks.
Hello websleuthers.
This is my very first post, though Ive been reading on this recent, sad matter for a while here.
[I have written numerous things on several tangential subjects, but not on this precise genre. I have nothing to sell. Only trying to help sleuth with you here.]
On The Elbowing
If this has been brought up before, I apologize. I havent seen it.
OTOH, if it is a first for a public discussion, I hope it is referenced as such, and that it helps. And I trust the Peruvian forensic and medical people are considering the following matter.
Now when JVDS chooses to elaborate on something foul he did, two things are likely. 1. He is lying. 2. He is covering up something far worse that he perpetrated. In his confession, he states or implies that the two of them were sitting on the bed, or were near the bed, or such, when he struck her after she hit him first (not likely.) He is trying to say that he glancingly elbowed her in the nose, which then bled, and the media has gone with that.
But I think it is different and far worse. I think he first went into her by grabbing/jacking her up against a wallprobably when she dared to protest his attempted theftpossibly holding her by her throat with one hand, and then he proceeded to elbow her in the face. She may have first struggled to reach him with her hands, while being held by the throat against the wall. He also may have held her that way, demanding her PIN numbers or something else, and she said never, and just tried to reach him with her hands. Maybe she even managed to get in a mild blow to him at this point, in self-defense to what he started. (This scenario even allows this monster to state that she struck the first blow, as he was first holding her by her throat, and hadnt yet struck her. But he had already assaulted her.)
Now being held up against the wall (or possibly on the floor), her head and body could not be forced through space when elbowed, and her skull and brain thus had to absorb the full force and momentum of the massive blow. If she were held against the wall, possibly the back of her skull was fractured there as well as the front, from the initial frontal elbow blow. Indeed he is lying when he says he doesnt know how she got her massive skull injuries.
I think his elbow smashed her nose into her skull, shattering the skull, and caused massive brain injury. Her life, as she knew it before this point in time, alas was now over. Even if nothing else were done to her, her brain was likely severely damaged at this point, because it was not a glancing blow (as he falsely claims), but was as just described abovethe skull smashing into the brain at the front and back. But this monster then saw 1. what was done to her face and 2., that she was still breathing, and he did not stop until she stopped breathingwhich he admits to. (If there is truth to the matter of the eye, as was originally reported, his massive elbow blow to the face, accounts for that too.) He probably got more enraged after it startedlook what you made me do. Always blaming the victim.
This also brings up the matter of possible martial arts training, as most people would not use their elbows as a weapon unless they studied some martial arts. Does anyone know if he did? Has this been asked before? Did he study this in Aruba? Or is it more likely that he studied this in Thailand, more recentlywhere such martial arts are more prevalent (Muy Thai and such)? And he then used his new knowledge at the first opportunity! And not as it was intended (defense against someone elses deadly attack), but against an innocent woman, far smaller than he is. Obviously he is a danger to all around him, especially unsuspecting women. I think, Natalie probably did not get elbowed as the above conjecture indicates he may have learned that more recently. (OTOH, if someone has evidence if an earlier study of martial arts, then this conjecture may be wrong.) Natalie may have been strangled, as I think he first goes for the throat. But with Stephany, there will be massive evidence to indicate, maybe even prove, what was done to herdespite his lies and half-truths.
Well I hope this contributes. Thank you. Oh, and the above is only my opinion, though some science is implicit in it.
RE: The elbowing
Does anyone have any answers to one of the questions I posed above.
Is Joran known to have studied any martial arts?
Now I know he was good at sports. I evens aw how a quote from his mother has been incorrectly cited as "delicious sporter", when she said "fantastic sporter" [I saw the actual video interview] with "sporter" meaning sportsman. So we know he did tennis and futbol (soccer), but his use of the elbow to effctively kill her (severe brain damage IMO) is an indication that he studied martial arts.
So Arruba?
Thailand?
Thanks.
If so, a huge mistake. By the time he was arrested the evidence was already being made public, so he had to know the police strongly believed in his guilt.
I think he was advised to do this by someone - sort of like - if the police are looking for you, go to them; it will vouch for your innocence. Joe T-opicsomething - his US attorney said on one of the TV shows that if he realizes the police are looking for him, he should turn himself in.
Lawyers always give this advice in the US - I wonder if they are required to say this - but, it's not good advice to someone guilty, especially outside their home country.
I have not seen any comments or discussion here about the part in his confession where he says he had the taxi driver take him to a police station. In essence he is saying he turned himself in. I believe he did that out of fear.
He was afraid of the taxi drivers because he could not get enough money to pay them, and he had no way out of that country. He was like a trapped rat. The ride was 17 hours back, so he had lots of time to formulate his story. jmo
Every human at a certain point knows right from wrong. His atrocities against others fall squarely on his shoulders and are his sole responsibility. Many people come from terrible environments and never hurt anyone or would think of doing so. He is now an adult and as such knows the moral rules of humanity. Don't kill is just too obvious to even mention.
To watch another person die at your hands, in such sick manner is an aberration of your own soul, is not just learned behavior or exposure to lack of love.