Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #15

[Patty G]

However in some prisons, such as the prison where Texas death row prisoners are held, all the simple hygiene products must be bought from commissary.

Link please ...

 

[Sanny]

Article on Joran's former girlfriend, Melody Granadillo, to be interviewed by Chris Cuomo on 20/20 Fri. night.

[snipped]

"Granadillo talks to Cuomo about ... her contact with van der Sloot during his trip to Peru where he met and allegedly killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

With van der Sloot now awaiting trial in a Peruvian prison, Granadillo says while she doesn't regret their experience together, the man whose eyes she loved looking into is long gone.

"It's not connectable. You can't connect that. It's not the same person," she said. "You see he's hurt. You see he's in trouble."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/TheLaw/j...ch-playboy-exclusive/story?id=10935055&page=1

I looked up Melody on Facebook and, surprisingly, found she lists John Ludwick as a friend. But neither Melody or John list Joran as a friend...but I imagine Joran's Facebook page has been removed by now. When you look up Joran Van Der Sloot on FB, there are 15 listed, I imagine they are all bogus.

MOO

Thanks for the heads-up about Friday's 20/20.....should be interesting
to see the entire interview.

What changed this guy......to become what he is now? Somehow I feel
he's always had an EVILNESS lurking in him and just waiting to come out and
do harm to someone. He IS A CHARMER as all sociopaths are....they will tell you what he thinks you want to hear.....then reel you in......then you are hooked.
Poor Natalee was the chosen one....or have there been others while he was
in Aruba? Other girls (tourists) that somehow escaped his grip....who just
got away from him in record time.

If so.......they are the VERY LUCKY ones.....

 

[Belinda]

There is a very fine line between enabling and what you do because you think that's what family does. I know my mom has enabled my brother at times not because she was trying to enable him but because she thought that's what she should do as a Mother. I can't figure out the Anthony's. I say I would do what was needed to be done to get justice for Caylee. I really don't know because I haven't been in their shoes and I hope and pray I never am. I would imagine it would be hard to admit you raised a killer.

I guess I'm just a very straight up person. I can't imagine behaving the way the Anthony's and Van der Sloot's have behaved. They cannot be so dumb as to have no idea that their children are killers. I would be there to support my daughter, no matter what she did, but I will be damned if I would stand around in public proclaiming her innocence when I knew she wasn't. To me these parents are part and parcel of what is wrong with their children. There is a vast difference between supporting your children and enabling them to continue on a path that is destructive to other people. IMHO.

 

[Patty G]

Hello everybody ... this is my first post. I am concerned about the safety of the judge that will question JVDS on Monday. Going to Castro Castro will put him in great danger as I'm sure (imoo) he is responsible for the incarceration/detention of many of the inmates there.
Does anyone know about the security measures that will be taken to ensure that the judge won't be accosted? After all, one warden lost his life already. MOO

Although no details have come out with how the Judge will meet with Joran on Monday, however it could be something like by video, or behind a enclosed glass. This is something worth checking out.

 

[Nikolai]

My hope is that Joran will have a long time to sit in prison. I have no problem with him being clean, well-fed, and safe from bodily harm. I just don't want him to be walking around free with the rest of us, ever again. I doubt he will ever understand what he has done or the pain he has caused his victims' families, that lack of human insight being the very thing that allows him to kill and kill again. So he needs to be locked up away from the rest of us.

Especially when he has seen Natalee Holloways Mom and Dad and how desperate they have searched for their daughter and all the pain it has caused them if not for flat out nearly ruining their lives. If that doesnt get it through to him then what would, he likely laughed while watching those parents suffer.

 

[Beatrice]

re: The GHB wrappers found in the van.
Joran could very well have used GHB for a sleep aid for himself.
Most likely, offered this pill as a "sleep aid" to Stephany.

GHB takes effect in 15 minutes & lasts 4 hours.

Joran had said years ago, it took 20 beers to feel drunk.
At the casino with Stephany, he had 10 whiskey & cokes with little effects in his demeanor.

http://www.projectghb.org/english.htm

*People subject to drug testing programs use GHB as an alcohol substitute and to bypass drug testing.
NOTE: Identification of GHB is complicated by the short duration of time that it persists in body fluids and by the absence of GHB testing from the normal testing procedures of most agencies. This will change, as risks of GHB are more widely recognized.

 

[MCDRAW]

I guess I'm just a very straight up person. I can't imagine behaving the way the Anthony's and Van der Sloot's have behaved. They cannot be so dumb as to have no idea that their children are killers. I would be there to support my daughter, no matter what she did, but I will be damned if I would stand around in public proclaiming her innocence when I knew she wasn't. To me these parents are part and parcel of what is wrong with their children. There is a vast difference between supporting your children and enabling them to continue on a path that is destructive to other people. IMHO.

You are correct. My Mom has never said my brother was innocent but she has paid off things for him to help him. Which enabled him to continue on his destructive path. I don't understand the Van Der Sloot's or the Anthony's either but I would imagine it would be hard to admit publicly that you raised a killer. I am in no way taking up for either set of parents.

 

[Nikolai]

Link please ...

Heres one texas death row inmate, if you scroll down a bit to read his pen-pal request from May 2009, complaining about having to buy hygiene products and wondering if he will have soap or toothpaste from day to day.

http://www.deathrow-usa.com/pen_pal_requests_on_more_from_DR.htm

"Part of the problem is that I have to buy stamps and hygiene from the prison in Texas. People are NOT allowed to send these things like in other states."

"This will be the last pen friend request that I write. I am tired of wondering if I will have soap and toothpaste tomorrow. "

He could be lying I suppose.

 

[Kimmer]

For those who may not have know there are extensive case files on the NH case now available there are at the below link....They show the early police interrogations of JVS as well as the Kalpoe brothers and also Palus Vandersloot although I do find it odd that of all of the interrogations the only person that has pages missing is JVS Father which again I think points to a cover-up by the Aruban LE....This site is a wealth of information from early on in the investigation.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

 

[Belinda]

You are correct. My Mom has never said my brother was innocent but she has paid off things for him to help him. Which enabled him to continue on his destructive path. I don't understand the Van Der Sloot's or the Anthony's either but I would imagine it would be hard to admit publicly that you raised a killer. I am in no way taking up for either set of parents.

Therein lies the difference. Your mom was doing her best to turn him around and help him succeed and change his life. That is what, I think, any parent would do with a troubled child. It is a fine line to walk. My daughter is severely bi-polar and while we have never had serious trouble with the law, we have been through plenty of trouble. I also do what I can to help her succeed in her life, but I don't cover for her and never have. I know the pain of having a troubled child. I just find their wishy-washy 'not my child' attitude despicable and unhelpful to their children. My kudos to your mom for doing her best. That is all any of us can do for our children.

 

[Patty G]

Getting back on topic. Yesterday Jean C mentioned that the Judge was going to issue a "Press Release"; has anyone seen the Press Release?

 

[FLNY]

Getting back on topic. Yesterday Jean C mentioned that the Judge was going to issue a "Press Release"; has anyone seen the Press Release?

I would think that the information published in this Peruvian newspaper was the result of the judge's press release. It was the judge who was to set the date for Joran's hearing, now scheduled for Monday.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/496089/joran-van-der-sloot-interrogado-proximo-lunes-21-junio

MOO

 

[epiphany]

I'd love to see the press release that JeanC spoke about yesterday - the one that contains a diagram and "possibly" a timeline. Perhaps, today.

 

[pghbrandi]

Welcome to WS LookingUp!!!

 

[TwiceIrish]

Hello everybody ... this is my first post. I am concerned about the safety of the judge that will question JVDS on Monday. Going to Castro Castro will put him in great danger as I'm sure (imoo) he is responsible for the incarceration/detention of many of the inmates there.
Does anyone know about the security measures that will be taken to ensure that the judge won't be accosted? After all, one warden lost his life already. MOO

The warden that was killed was an outside hit. He was killed leaving his home, not actually at Castro Castro:

http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=350139&CategoryId=14095

But in watching the videos of Joran being put into Castro Castro, it seems the other inmates were watching him from behind bars but also far enough away not to be able to accost anyone.

I would think the judge would be accorded much more security measures than a prisoner would be also.

Not sure about the crowds though....however, imo, the crowds were angry at Joran and his actions and would probably not have the same feelings towards the judge who is going to the prison to start the judicial process.

 

[laura08]

IMO...Especially the eyes and eye makeup...Both wore their hair caually up.

Question: What was the name of Joran's first real girlfriend? Her parents did not want them dating as she was 12 or 13 and Joran was 16 or 17. They had a huge birthday party for her and all the p.i.m.p.s were there. She was a petite, blonde.....

Then & now photos:
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10003642-15.html?tag=page

Not sure if she was his 1st girlfriend but, I do know he did date a 12 yr old named Rika, this article has more information on that. http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm

 

[Kimmer]

New article up on radaronline shows JVS bloody shirt and other things about the crime.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-van-der-sloots-bloody-shirt-victims-clothing

 

[MCDRAW]

For those who may not have know there are extensive case files on the NH case now available there are at the below link....They show the early police interrogations of JVS as well as the Kalpoe brothers and also Palus Vandersloot although I do find it odd that of all of the interrogations the only person that has pages missing is JVS Father which again I think points to a cover-up by the Aruban LE....This site is a wealth of information from early on in the investigation.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

It makes you wonder if she wasn't sold into slavery. When you read the students say they never saw Natalee and Van Der Sloot togther at the bar. One student talks about two men watching Natalee and the last time they saw Natalee, Van der sloot was watching her dance on stage.

 

[Paintr]

Hello everybody ... this is my first post. I am concerned about the safety of the judge that will question JVDS on Monday. Going to Castro Castro will put him in great danger as I'm sure (imoo) he is responsible for the incarceration/detention of many of the inmates there.
Does anyone know about the security measures that will be taken to ensure that the judge won't be accosted? After all, one warden lost his life already. MOO

:Welcome-12-june:

Great 1st post! In one article I read, a lawyer said that a man was stabbed about 10 feet away while he was visiting a client.

But I think that the courtroom is within the prison walls and that Joran will be taken there with lots of guards, rather than the judge entering the cell areas.

 

[Kimmer]

It looks like from the stills that radaroline has you can see JVS coming thru the hotel lobby in his stipped shirt carry cofee...I wonder if this is when they say he left and went and got the 2 cups.