Chiquita... I'm not sure the Aruban police interviews/statements were ever released to the public. Maybe some of the more knowledgeable posters know?
But, fwiw, according to the following wiki reference:
"Beth Twitty pursued Van der Sloot's parents in the ensuing media circus on Aruba. She said that Paul acknowledged that they could not control their son and had sent him to a psychiatrist."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joran_van_der_Sloot
Also, I found a translation from the infamous Pauw en Witteman (Dutch) television show in which Joran threw the glass of wine in Peter de Vries' face. Excerpt below:
Pauw: Well these are maybe not the most subtle moments in this conversation but Joran, you visited a psychiatrist because you were lying all the time.
Joran: No… That was not the reason why I visited the psychiatrist. I’ve been two times to a childrens psychiatrist but that was because we had some things going on within our family.
Anita: I can explain that as well. So you can hear it from my own mouth. Paul was in Holland for the Judges-training and I had to deal with three children in my own. And Joran as many seventeen year olds.
I myself work with teens. And uh… he was not the easiest one. Besides that we had problems with… I had some problems with him. That he came home way to late. Uhm… I’m rather strict. Maybe even sometimes I was a little too strict.
And at a certain point after talking about it with a friend of mine, maybe it’s good when we have some consults with a youth-psychiatrist. Because I just want that he has a goal in life. That he thinks well what he wants with his life and all this ‘going out’ I just think bad about that.
And at that time he started playing poker in the casino and I don’t want my son being in the casino! So I contacted a youth-psychiatrist. He wasn’t 18 yet, he still was seventeen. He went there twice, that’s correct and we had one conclusive-conversation after that. And that was it.
So it was really not just about lying.
Respectfully Quoted Suzihawk
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Thank you for posting that. I find it interesting that AVS stated Joran's two appointments with a psychiatrist were not "just about
lying." I wanted to be clear that I think going to see a psychiatrist, any mental health professional or help is imo(with there always being personal experiences of exceptions to the rule) a very healthy thing to do for yourself. I do not disparage JVS or his parents for seeking help for their son, in fact imo it is tragic for too many people that he only had the two appointments. I'm not saying this because anyone said otherwise, but I feel if I didn't say it I would be upset with what I might seem to be implying by sleuthing that someone had mental health care.
Having seen a psychiatrist is not what leads me to believe Joran is guilty of murdering Stephany, but hearing he had to seek mental health care for the beating of his brother does. Who beats another human being to the point that your family takes you to a psychiatrist? IMO, someone with an extreme anger problem. AVS says Joran's problems began as a teen and revolved around gambling. The important thing to me is it began
before he met Natalee and Stephany. It is important to know how there comes to be a Joran and to do that you have to work backwards as long as you are working with facts. IMO, if you are working with facts then the connections matter. If there is the Dutch interview where Joran himself admits beating his brother, then we could say in light of how Stephany was killed they would want to down play Joran's violent past. They lie about it because they see the connection matters too, imo.
Even if we knew Joran exhibited violent and disturbing behavior as a younger child, you can't blame a child if they are mentally ill. Joran said he had to see the psychiatrist because of stuff that was going on in their family. This subject(in general not just this case) is a double edged sword for me because I can not dismiss the effects of child abuse on children and the many ways each child might manifest their pain(meaning you can't blame a child that has been abused for their outrageous behavior all you can do is help them).
It is also logical to agree with those that say this is no excuse for violent crimes against others, that many people have horrible abuse that occurred through out their entire childhoods and they grew up to overcome and be loving wonderful people. Of course that's true, I would bet(without having the facts exactly)that
most people overcome their abuse to the degree they will never and would never violently attack another.
When I think that Joran hurt Stephany in the way he did, that he had such a temper as to kill another human being with his bare hands...added to the information that he had(limited) mental heath care for beating his brother makes me think someone in his family dropped the ball, which is a gross understatement. :snooty: Anita admitted there was lying, a pattern that continues to this day. I personally cannot dismiss lying. IMO, lying is not something that mentally healthy innocent adults engage in, even white lies should imo bother those with an advanced conscious let alone the whoppers(that's a technical term by the way) that have been told by Joran.
As in the Anthony case and all cases, lies matter! There is a reason someone is lying and how often is it for good? If you want to know the truth(because
they will not tell it) you have to find out why, when all signs point to their guilt, they still claim innocence. IMO, in doing so we are giving credit to the person who is lying by checking into their story. What are the alternatives? Either say, okay you say you didn't do it go on your way or you are lying which means you are guilty and shoot the person right then. When a person is lying
they create the situation. :twocents:
...js...
