GUILTY Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #25

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vlpate said:
As regards the extradition for the extortion charges - wonder if this would be delayed until he's exhausted the appeals process.. the way it is in the Casey Anthony pending Civil case.

Also, I have a question about the fresh (2005-2006), cement around the pool at JVDS's parent's house. In the book it is stated that Joran's father would not let that area be excavated - has it been since?
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I don't believe a person gets any appeals when they pled guilty.
 
vlpate said:
A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
 --but what you did is not something I can handle
--because you emails sent me to the press

Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
--the money you sent me is not to your return
--I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best

Have excessive feelings of self-importance
--We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less
--my fellow prisoners feel the situation

Exaggerate achievements and talents
--I love you
--You will always have a place in my heart

Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
--We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less

Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
--I am being punished because I had a phone
Need constant attention and admiration
--Give me the time, until it is over

Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy
--what you doing to me now I do not understand

Have obsessive self-interest
--I have so much pain that you can not imagine

Pursue mainly selfish goals
--He wanted to send it right back when you were asked
--I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep

All the rest fits as well....
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:crazy:
 
officer'swife 2010 said:
Fran, I'm sorry, I probably stated more then anybody about the Holloway case, I was just trying to figure out everything about Joran, it will not happen again. Didn't mean to disrespect the Flores' family, or anybody at WS, I will go comment on the Holloway case as well! Again, sorry
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aww... we've all done it. it's not you sweetie :seeya:
 
redheadedgal said:
"Mary, I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1/3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best. Lovingly, Joran"


Hey Havn't been around in a few days ..I hape someone can help me out first with this quote who wrote this who is his saposed guardian angel .Who is MH this thread is kind of confusing..
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CanManEh said:
redheadedgal said:
"Mary, I want you to know that my satisfaction with Mr. Jimenez and his work. We will appeal against the ruling and it will be less. Plus, remember that in Peru only 1/3 of your sentence having to sit. You will always have a place in my heart, but what you doing to me now I do not understand. In all that time that I know, I never expected of you. I asked Mr. Jimenez, the money you sent me is not to your return. He wanted to send it right back when you were asked. I want to share with you a statement: "Do not wait for the Last Judgement, it happens every day." You will always have a place in my heart, but what you did is not something I can handle. I love you, but I have so much pain that you can not imagine. Give me the time, until it is over. I am being punished because I had a phone, because you emails sent me to the press. I still can not believe it, but you got me worried more problems than you can imagine, and my fellow prisoners feel the situation. I am exhausted and am now trying to sleep. I hope everything is well with you and I wish you nothing but the best. Lovingly, Joran"


Hey Havn't been around in a few days ..I hape someone can help me out first with this quote who wrote this who is his saposed guardian angel .Who is MH this thread is kind of confusing..
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Mary Hamer
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Kamille said:
And even in this letter you will notice that he's not taking responsibility for the fact that he had this cell phone (and whatever else he had) when he wasn't supposed to but rather blaming her for outing him with it. And trying to make her feed sorry for him because of the hurtful things she did to him. So because of that he's keeping her money?

And he's telling her that Jiminez did a good job and that it was the best decision because he will appeal and failing that with the "good behaviour" time in Peru prisons, he'll be out in no time. And of course telling her that he loves her a few more times, while stealing her money to pay his restitution, should manipulate her enough to keep her in line right? She's probably already planning what they'll do together when he gets out in a few short years.

I know she's crazy and she probably deserves it but it appears that he's still up to his old tricks.

MOO
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That sure is how it's turning out to be, JVDS' signature scam and manipulation. According to what she wrote, MH does believe that money was for bail. What made her believe that?

The early correspondences are what's important to see. What were JVDS and Jimenez telling her? What made MH get to the point of saying she loved him with all her heart and soul?

And now AVDS says she doesn't want MH around JVDS, of course after MH started talking to the media and it became clear this was a very unwell woman, it looks pretty bad that she had been giving JVDS all that money. But what about before MH started talking, how many checks did AVDS cash of hers or forward to JVDS? One only needs to listen to MH for a minute to see that she was not all there. AVDS knew he had a phone since she was sending him messages, we saw the recent one but I'd bet my last dollar there are more from her.

MH is soon going to have to realize she's been used up and now spit out, and in JVDS' classic manipulations he twisted it to try to paint her as the villian and him the victim.

Mr Flores is giving his press conference today, does anyone recall what time?

JMHO
 
Don't know when the press conference is going to be today but it sure sounds like it's going to be interesting.....

“Losing the person that one loves most is not fair,” Ricardo Flores, the father of the victim, said. “On Monday, through our attorneys, we will be calling a press conference to let you know all the irregularities and all the things that have occurred during this trial [and] from the day this person has been arrested

http://www.jdjournal.com/2012/01/16/joran-van-der-sloot-sentenced-to-28-years-in-prison/
 
I am anxious to see what Mr. Flores and his attorney have. This could be good!

Well, it appears Ms. H is now in a club of Joran's victims. I think most of us watching knew how it would end. I'm glad it's so public. Hope everyone takes notice! Maybe it'll keep someone else from falling for his words. :liar:

Looks like, again! Joran's actions are coming back to bite him. Seems the revelations of Ms. H are the reason Joran was found out to be living such a life of luxury behind those prison walls. It would appear by his writings the other prisoners are suffering as well. Bet he couldn't wait to get outta' there before someone took out their frustrations on him for having their, ehhhh.............perks discontinued! Bet the guards from Castro Castro are now arguing over who gets to take the bounty. :rolleyes:

Bet word of what happened in Castro Castro and Joran being responsible has already reached his new home. I doubt he's gonna be very popular there. He better STAY in his cell or he may get a little prison justice that he won't be able to :liar: his way out of!

Glad his attorney is going to appeal. Hope AVdS has an idea on how SHE is gonna pay for it! I highly doubt any of her late husband's old contacts will be of much assistance. After all, I think those high in Aruba are now very sorry they ever laid eyes on JVdS. Now the world has a little more idea that all along the Twitty's were correct and this guy got away with a crime. :(

I see the traits of a narcissistic personality like to have favorable attention. From many of the narcissists we've watched here on Websleuths, one of their common traits are they THINK they're waaayyyy smarter than they really are. I could tell you volumes of stupid mistakes they've made thinking everyone would see it one way, when from the outside looking in, they were so transparent is was comical.

Joran thinks he's getting attention and he is. But unknown to him, most of it is negative. He thinks it's positive because he has people surrounding him like that guy working his 15 minute of fame and MH. His attorney is in it for the money and the fellow prisoners and guards were also in it for whatever they could make off HIM $$$$$$$$. He's just so full of himself, he's not bright enough to see it, he's being used by everyone else, just has he's a user of other's emotions. :crazy:


:twocents:
fran
 
Kamille said:
And even in this letter you will notice that he's not taking responsibility for the fact that he had this cell phone (and whatever else he had) when he wasn't supposed to but rather blaming her for outing him with it. And trying to make her feed sorry for him because of the hurtful things she did to him. So because of that he's keeping her money?

And he's telling her that Jiminez did a good job and that it was the best decision because he will appeal and failing that with the "good behaviour" time in Peru prisons, he'll be out in no time. And of course telling her that he loves her a few more times, while stealing her money to pay his restitution, should manipulate her enough to keep her in line right? She's probably already planning what they'll do together when he gets out in a few short years.

I know she's crazy and she probably deserves it but it appears that he's still up to his old tricks.

MOO
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I also read somewhere that the fine had to be paid before he could do his rehab of work and education - which is how the sentence is reduced to 1/3. It seems that Joran had it all worked out financially ... knowing exactly how much money he needed to have his sentence reduced ... but at the same time, he convinced this woman that he needed the money for a different reason.

After he swindled her and she asked that the money be returned (money that she thought was for bail), he falls back on his manipulations and tries to make her feel guilty for revealing information about their communication. He seems to believe that if he can get away with something, the more power to him. I think he justifies taking advantage of others by finding or creating reasons to view others as having wronged him.

Mary should realize that any money she gave to Joran is long gone and she'll never see it again. She should have seen that coming. She shows very poor judgment in terms of appearing to believe that she could change a sociopath's nature.
 
http://translate.google.com/transla...ijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran&act=url

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared.

"For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished.

Yeah... NOW they want to look into what happened in 2005 but they're not in any hurry. Pfft! What a joke.
 
I think most of us here ARE here, because it's difficult to imagine how someone can immunize themselves against the horrific pain and suffering they create to another human being during a murder.

It is almost impossible to understand they have NO emotion for others - much the same as killing a fly.

In Joran's case I was intrigued by the psychological evaulation in which he seems to have a closer relationship to his father than his mother, and at the same time devalues women.

I wonder if AVS is and was rather simplistic, naive, and enabling in failing to understand and stand up to Joran's proclivities to lying and violence as possibly psychopathic. He thus had little respect for her along with other women, considering them weak and easily manipulated.

His father, on the other hand, perhaps enabled him, but in a "manly" way -- setting up credit for him at the Casinos, and perhaps even being a chauvanist himself. Did he show a lack of respect for AVS? And, of course, one wonders what role, if any, PVS had in covering up Joran's responbilities for NH's death.

We always debate nature vs nuture, and in Joran's case, it seems there was, perhaps, a genetic origin fully "nutured" by totally indulgent parenting. It would be interesting if more of the family's early life was known - more than the superficial glances we have of them.
 
vlpate said:
Typical narcissistic personality - it's always about what's been done to them. Natalee's disappearance harmed him - Stephany harmed him - Peru harmed him - Beth harmed him. Always the victim.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/

"Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition in which people have an inflated sense of self-importance and an extreme preoccupation with themselves."
<snip>
"Symptoms

A person with narcissistic personality disorder may:

React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation

Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals

Have excessive feelings of self-importance

Exaggerate achievements and talents

Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love

Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment

Need constant attention and admiration

Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy

Have obsessive self-interest

Pursue mainly selfish goals"
___________
BEM: As it relates to this letter.

All the rest fits as well....
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I think the red bold is the most striking from this. I love the video in which he shakes his head while being read his sentence.... oh, the unfairness when he admitted to murder, yet still has to face a relatively short sentence. It was just a human life, wah... etc.
 
otto said:
V.d.Sloot is facing federal, not Alabama, fraud charges. Why would it be heard in Alabama ... in Beth's backyard. If these are ligitimate charges, they are filed in federal count and not subject to Alabama law ... therefore not heard there ... I think.
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All states have Federal Courts, in some cases several. An Alabama Federal Court would be the proper jurisdiction.
 
JSR said:
All states have Federal Courts, in some cases several. An Alabama Federal Court would be the proper jurisdiction.
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yes, iirc, the indictment was brought by the U.S. Attorney with jurisdiction for an Alabama district.
 
suzihawk said:
http://translate.google.com/transla...ijk-naar-peru-voor-ondervraging-joran&act=url

ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) in Aruba plans to travel to Peru for Joran back to question about the evening in 2005 when Natalee Holloway disappeared.

"For now just let him stew in his," says Stein. The Advocate General thinks Joran, he is now a long imprisonment for the murder of Stephany Flores, may decide to be honest about what happened on that fateful night when Natalee vanished.

Yeah... NOW they want to look into what happened in 2005 but they're not in any hurry. Pfft! What a joke.
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I think Joran is pathologically dishonest and incapable of truth. A long prison stint won't change the color of his feathers.

JMO
 
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/01/16/jane-velez-mitchell-opinion-joran-van-der-sloot

Opinion: 'True judgment day for van der Sloot'
By Jane Valez-Mitchell
Mon January 16, 2012

"But as the court kept reading, we finally saw the first crack in Joran&#8217;s tough guy demeanor. His normal arrogant, narcissistic attitude started to vanish before our eyes. Hearing every minute detail of his brutal and violent actions, there was no way for him to rationalize or minimize what he had done.

Suddenly, he needed to sit down. He was sweating profusely, right through his shirt. There was no more yawning. No more sleeping. He was beaten.

Today, Joran van der Sloot is a broken man.

He is facing 28 years in prison and I hope he serves every last day. Unfortunately that is not likely due to Peru&#8217;s extremely generous compensation for good behavior. Joran van der Sloot could be eligible for parole in 9 years. Let&#8217;s hope he spends the next decade coming to grips with what he has done."
 
thelmadawg said:
I think most of us here ARE here, because it's difficult to imagine how someone can immunize themselves against the horrific pain and suffering they create to another human being during a murder.

It is almost impossible to understand they have NO emotion for others - much the same as killing a fly.

In Joran's case I was intrigued by the psychological evaulation in which he seems to have a closer relationship to his father than his mother, and at the same time devalues women.

I wonder if AVS is and was rather simplistic, naive, and enabling in failing to understand and stand up to Joran's proclivities to lying and violence as possibly psychopathic. He thus had little respect for her along with other women, considering them weak and easily manipulated.

His father, on the other hand, perhaps enabled him, but in a "manly" way -- setting up credit for him at the Casinos, and perhaps even being a chauvanist himself. Did he show a lack of respect for AVS? And, of course, one wonders what role, if any, PVS had in covering up Joran's responbilities for NH's death.

We always debate nature vs nuture, and in Joran's case, it seems there was, perhaps, a genetic origin fully "nutured" by totally indulgent parenting. It would be interesting if more of the family's early life was known - more than the superficial glances we have of them.
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I have no inside knowledge of the workings of the VDS family, but I think in most cases where a son shows contempt for his mother and/or women in general, he has learned it in some way from his father or other male role model. It may not be that his father physically abused the mother; it may just be a matter of showing contempt for her opinion, treating her like domestic help, etc. Mothers who are already victimized may set an even poorer example by being subservient in an understandable attempt to lessen the abuse.

This is just MOO, based on families I've seen.
 
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