Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

[Linda7NJ]

About the COD. He claims he gave her a karate chop to the neck. A guy on NG last night..didn't catch who it was since I was helping with 7th grade math at the same time..but he seemed like a doctor..said that it's not that easy to break someone's neck. He said other than accidents and falls (and I would add suicide) it's very rare for a COD. He said JVS would have to know how to twist and jerk it (sorry). That's a very good point. That makes it seem all the more cold to me. For some reason even though I had read "broken neck" I was thinking strangling which to me might show more of a rage than a deliberate twist and cracking of a neck (sorry again). Also makes me think of Casey Anthony's alleged searches for "neck breaking."

I beg to differ, neck breaking isn't that difficult.

For all we know, he could have stomped on her neck.

 

[Columbo]

Time of death is 8:11am. He went to get coffee around 8am. It was right across the street, he came right back. (That is the most precise time any source has given that I've seen)

Left the hotel at 8:56am.

Is 8:11 the official time of death?
I did see the time stamp 8:56 on the surveillance cam when he left the room for good.
It's hard to keep up with all the info pouring in.
Thanks.

 

[md89]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100608/D9G743I82.html

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"A fixture on true crime shows and in tabloids after Holloway's disappearance, he gained a reputation for lying - even admitting a penchant for it - and also exhibited a volatile temper. In one Dutch television interview he threw a glass of wine in a reporter's eyes. In another, he smashed a glass of water against a wall in a fury.

Bolded by me. I've not heard anything about a glass of water. Is there a video on that as there is on the wine that he threw on the reporter?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPEJsVJlf8"]Joran[/ame]

It starts at 04.26

 

[SoCalSleuth]

With respect, SoCal, and though I'm not a lawyer, I believe the passage I highlighted above overstates your argument.

All evidence presented must be deemed "relevant" in some fashion. And with prior bad acts (whether they resulted in a conviction or merely an accusation), there is an issue as to whether the probity of the information outweighs its tendency to prejudice the trier of fact (judge or jury) against the defendant.

Perhaps you meant to say the prior bad act of which the defendant was accused doesn't have to show a propensity to commit the offense in the current proceeding. There are other grounds (impeaching the truthfulness of the defendant, for example) under which prior bad acts are admissible.

Actually, my post is legally correct, I am a 30+ year lawyer, former Judge, and have also been teaching for 18 years & this is literally first year law school evidence. While evidence of uncharged crimes (prior bad acts) may not be introduced in a criminal trial to show character, it is admissible in a criminal trial if relevant on the issues of intent, motive, common plan and scheme (MO), etc. After conviction, and during the penalty phase, evidence of uncharged crimes (prior bad acts) is admissible to establish an aggravated sentence. Both scenarios require the Judge to hold an en camera hearing and determine whether or not there is a preponderance of the evidence that the prior bad act occurred. Will post some links to legal cases when I get back from having my hair done this afternoon!

 

[justus4all]

Regarding his mom, I am hoping she is in good health, because all the disappointment, sadness, dispair, embarresment, from her son's imprisonment of murdering a young woman...over his uncontrolled anger.....will surely...affect her health and well being....over time....It would affect any parent's...She will have a lot to deal with in the coming years...
Her husband's death....her son's involvement in the NH case...and ...now...THIS

 

[krowdkat]

Can anyone direct me to information that states the time stamps on the TAC surveillance videos were 11 minutes off? TIA

 

[MCDRAW]

I beg to differ, neck breaking isn't that difficult.

For all we know, he could have stomped on her neck.

I'm thinking how big he is, one hard hit with the tennis racket, ought to do it.

 

[Wings Of Light]

Can anyone direct me to information that states the time stamps on the TAC surveillance videos were 11 minutes off? TIA

Take a look at the wave. Also, you can easily observe it yourself. Time on camera as they leave lobby towards room says ~5:20, time as they arrive room shows 5:31. You can see same time difference as he leaves. The wave has links to the video high enough quality so you can read it.

 

[MCDRAW]

Regarding his mom, I am hoping she is in good health, because all the disappointment, sadness, dispair, embarresment, from her son's imprisonment of murdering a young woman...over his uncontrolled anger.....will surely...affect her health and well being....over time....It would affect any parent's...She will have a lot to deal with in the coming years...
Her husband's death....her son's involvement in the NH case...and ...now...THIS

Can you imagine how terrible it is for his younger brothers? I really feel bad for them.

 

[Nancy2441]

Joran van der Sloot is scheduled to reenact his murder of a university student today. He confessed on Monday, but the reenactment of the killing could be crucial to the charges he'll face and how much time he'll spend in prison.


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2010...e-need-Joran-van-der-Sloot-to-reenact-killing

 

[la_cavalière]

Actually, my post is legally correct, I am a 30+ year lawyer, former Judge, and have also been teaching for 18 years & this is literally first year law school evidence. While evidence of uncharged crimes (prior bad acts) may not be introduced in a criminal trial to show character, it is admissible in a criminal trial if relevant on the issues of intent, motive, common plan and scheme (MO), etc. After conviction, and during the penalty phase, evidence of uncharged crimes (prior bad acts) is admissible to establish an aggravated sentence. Both scenarios require the Judge to hold an en camera hearing and determine whether or not there is a preponderance of the evidence that the prior bad act occurred. Will post some links to legal cases when I get back from having my hair done this afternoon!

I assume this explains how evidence of prior incidents with women and guns was introduced at the Phil Spector trials.

 

[strawberry]

I beg to differ, neck breaking isn't that difficult.

For all we know, he could have stomped on her neck.

That's why I brought it up..I have no idea how hard it would be. Stomping seems like it would do the trick. I don't know...

 

[la_cavalière]

Joran van der Sloot is scheduled to reenact his murder of a university student today. He confessed on Monday, but the reenactment of the killing could be crucial to the charges he'll face and how much time he'll spend in prison.


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2010...e-need-Joran-van-der-Sloot-to-reenact-killing

From the link:

BEGIN QUOTE
Aggravated robbery, which is when the victim is killed in a robbery, is the worst-case scenario from van der Sloot’s perspective. This crime in on the table, because there is testimony that Flores Ramirez won about $1,000 playing poker the night before she was murdered and that van der Sloot killed her to steal the cash.
END QUOTE

So what if VDS kills her out of rage (so money not a motive in the killing), but he takes her cash after she's dead? Is that still aggravated robbery?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I assume this explains how evidence of prior incidents with women and guns was introduced at the Phil Spector trials.

JVDS has already allowed for NH information to be brought in - he has said that SF found out about him and NH on his computer and that's why he killed her. Natalee's case and information will be brought in and looked at.

JMHO

 

[justus4all]

That's why I brought it up..I have no idea how hard it would be. Stomping seems like it would do the trick. I don't know...

I agree...stomping her hard...while standing over her...

Another senerio I had was.......as big and strong..plus..angry.....as he was
He was holding her down on the floor with his weight..and grabbed her neck and pulled it backwards...(sorry)...his weight...crushing her neck..

She didn't stand a chance...against him...He wasn't letting her out of the room ALIVE...to "tell" on him...all in my own opinion

 

[krowdkat]

Take a look at the wave. Also, you can easily observe it yourself. Time on camera as they leave lobby towards room says ~5:20, time as they arrive room shows 5:31. You can see same time difference as he leaves. The wave has links to the video high enough quality so you can read it.

Thanks so much, Wings. Do we know which video cam was time correct? The lobby's or the one outside 309?

 

[Dallasdon]

When Joran Van der Sloot was first questioned, he denied even knowing Natalee Holloway's name.

Then he said he lied, he was with her, dropping Natalee off at her hotel around 2:00 a.m.

Then he said he lied, he left her on the beach.

He was caught by a hidden camera saying Natalee died after having sex with him, and that he then dumped her body at sea off Aruba with the help of a friend.

Then he said he lied, none of it was true.

He got paid to do an interview with Greta’s ‘On the Record’ show, saying he sold Natalee to someone he met in a club.

Then he said he lied, none of it was true.

He contacted Natalee’s mom’s attorney, saying “If you guys give me some money, I'll come clean, and give you the whole story”. He got $25k, sent them to a house that didn't even exist back then.

Then he said he lied, none of it was true.

(I'm sure I've missed a few...)

__________________________________________________

Enough.

Stop talking to him.

Lock him up and throw away the key.

 

[Wings Of Light]

Is 8:11 the official time of death?
I did see the time stamp 8:56 on the surveillance cam when he left the room for good.
It's hard to keep up with all the info pouring in.
Thanks.

I believe the official time of death is 8:11am. I have seen one source that said 8:20, but at this point 8:11am looks to be more credible.

Unfortunately, the time being wrong on the lobby camera is REALLY confusing people... both news outlets and others.

 

[Wings Of Light]

Timeline

May 10th

• $15,000 wired from Mountain Brook, Ala. to a bank in the Netherlands. (6,9)
• $10,000 paid to Joran in cash. (9)

May 13th

• Joran leaves Aruba.
• Joran arrives Colombia

May 14th

• Leaves Colombia ()
• Arrives in Lima, Peru ()
• [May have Checked into Hotel TAC - Conflicting reports. - This date is less credible than may 16th.]

May 16th

• Joran checks in to Hotel TAC, and prepays for 14 Nights. (11)

May 30th

• Surveillance video shows Joran and Stephany playing poker at the same table, and Stephany winning $1700. (10)
• 5:15am - Leaves Atlantic City Casino (1)
• 5:20am - Arrives at Hotel Tac Lobby (1)
• 5:31am - Leaves Hotel Tac Lobby towards room 309 (2,3)
• 5:33am - Enters Room (2,3)
• ~8:00am - Seen on camera leaving room in same clothes he entered room earlier in, Goes to gas station/supermarket to buy 2 cups of coffee and bread.
• *Stephany uses his computer and finds emails relating to Natalee Holloway (5)
• Seen on camera returning from buying coffee at gas station/supermarket. Holds 2 cups of coffee and bread (biscuits). (1)
• Stephany confronts him about emails, they fight.
• 8:11am - Murder Takes Place (1)
  [8:20am (7)]
  
• 8:56am - JVS Leaves Hotel Tac wearing different clothes, With All of His and Her belongings (1,3)
• Takes a taxi to Peru/Chile border. (13)

June 1st

• 11pm - Hotel TAC receives call from someone looking for vadersloot. Call was forwarded but noone answered. (8)

June 2nd

• ~12am - Hotel Receptionist notices Joran owes money for 2 nights, goes up to the room, and knocked on the door. Noone answered, but she heard the television blaring and assumed he was sleeping. She spoke with someone, presumably her manager, and he said to use a spare key to go in. When she went in, she discovered the body. Stephany was wearing only red panties and a black t-shirt, but was half covered with a piece of white clothing. The receptionist turned off the TV and lights on her way out. (8)
• Joran Enters Chile On Foot - Customs Paperwork (10)
• Stays in a hotel in Santiago. Leaves his credit cards there. (6 pg. 2)

June 3rd

• Joran is captured by police while travelling in a taxi on the highway between Santiago and Valparaiso. (11)
• Extortion Charges Are Filed

June 4th

• Joran is flown to the border city of Arica to be expelled. (12,14)
• Joran arrives in Peru, driven across border near Santa Rosa to police station. (12)

June 5th

• Joran arrives at Lima Police Headquarters. (14)

June 7th

• Confesses to her murder while in Peruvian Custody.

June 9th

• Joran to reenact murder for Peruvian authorities at Hotel TAC.

Again, to view the most up to date timeline with sources attached, just view the wave, link is in my signature below.

 

[justus4all]

When Joran Van der Sloot was first questioned, he denied even knowing Natalee Holloway's name.

Then he said he lied, he was with her, dropping Natalee off at her hotel around 2:00 a.m.

Then he said he lied, he left her on the beach.

He was caught by a hidden camera saying Natalee died after having sex with him, and that he then dumped her body at sea off Aruba with the help of a friend.

Then he said he lied, none of it was true.

He got paid to do an interview with Greta’s ‘On the Record’ show, saying he sold Natalee to someone he met in a club.

Then he said he lied, none of it was true.

He contacted Natalee’s mom’s attorney, saying “If you guys give me some money, I'll come clean, and give you the whole story”. He got $25k, sent them to a house that didn't even exist back then.

Then he said he lied, none of it was true.

(I'm sure I've missed a few...)

__________________________________________________

Enough.

Stop talking to him.

Lock him up and throw away the key.

This guy is indeed.....ONE SICK INDIVIDUAL...I agree...
GET HIM OUT OF SOCIETY....He has caused enough grief,heartache, sadness, hopelessness..for so many people...and he seems to ENJOY IT...