Pit Bull and Other Dog Attacks.

[Indy Gal]

So in other words, dog owners of the breed have legally (because there are no consequences for doing so) bred this kind of dog into an aggressive animal that is genetically wired to fight.

And the rest of us should willingly accept that our neighbors should be able to own these animals without any kind of license or other requirement that differentiates them from a hamster or a bunny rabbit?

Why should I have to take on the financial and physical responsibility to rebuild my fence, because my neighbor bought a pit bull? That's what we have to do. We don't know if Mr. Next Door Neighbor is a "good" owner or not. We don't know if the dog is a "good dog" or not.

We only know that this dog has jaws three or four times the size of any other dog and a breed history for attacking or killing. There haven't been any publicized reports of poodles going wild and please, don't tell me that the news just underreports that breed's actions.

A poodle attacking and killing or a couple of shi-tzus would get the news attention in a hurry.

You can talk all day about how safe these dogs are with "the right owner" or when "bred responsibly" and that still means that a couple of pit bulls can attack and kill me when I'm taking out the garbage on my own property.

What's wrong with that picture? I'll defend your owning a handgun, but I won't defend your owning a pit bull.[/quote]
Huh and I am sure it is proven that guns kill more people than pits do.... While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree...When you buy a pit from a breeder...a good breeder, they have cut out all the aggressive dogs. So should the people who do take care of their dogs, as many people here do, they should be punished because of others faults? So my neighbor is a drunk driver, does that mean all alchol should be banned because some take it to the extreme? I really do understand were you are coming from. I will agree when a dog of this nature shows the first sign of agression it should be put down. I know here in Indy, the pits that attack are almost always repeat offenders, drug dealers, and peole with multiple pits. IMO instead of banning them make laws such as you have to have you pit fixed, you may only own 2 at a time, and NO CHAINING up to the fence.

 

[Indy Gal]

Exactly! Some people will say all dogs can bite, true, but how many Golden Retriever bites are fatal???:doh: And why aren't Golden Retrievers the drug dealers dog of choice??? Pit Bulls are bred to be canine weapons and should be banned as a breed for that reason alone. It's ridiculous to think that that would happen to German Shepherds.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: Presa Canarios maybe, but their maulings are fatal also, as the in the Bay Area case of Dianne Whipple.
I recently had an old guy in a dog park try his best to convince my 6-year-old and her friend that his pit bull was harmless. The breed is inherently mentally unstable and prone to snap, no matter who bred them. (Another friend who worked for the local animal rescue, and evaluated the temperment of many pits for possible adoption, told me she would NEVER own one, and she owns 3 dogs!!!) I stood there silently ready to lunge at it if it attacked, my slight comfort was that her friend's mother was also there and we had two huge black labs between us also if necessary to fight off this pit. The jerk also had an aggressive female mixed breed with him. GRRRR!!!

Sorry to disagree, but your highlighted portion is wrong IMO. It is the people who breed for money in their backyards who get the agressive dogs. As someone pointed out yesterday, when have you ever heard of a show pit attacking. Also speaking of GS I have seen the damage they can do as well.

 

[Lurker]

I was wondering when you were going to get here...LOL

I try to stay out of these discussions. LOL

I would like to comment on the fence thingy though, I think it's the Bully's owners responsibility to either get a fence or make sure they can control their dog. I walk my dogs with a choker. My Bully will pull when he sees something but when the chain tightens he stops. My Rottie just whines and runs in circles but never pulls. We're in the process of getting a fence now. At our old house one of the neighbor kids kicked his ball inside our fence and left the gate open after he got it and my pitt got out. I noticed right away since I always watch my dogs when they're out. I ran out front to go get him just in time to see the Lhaso Apso next door chase him home. My pit outweiged that dog by more than 60 lbs but he hightailed it out of her yard when she came after him. It was pretty funny but I know it could've turned out badly if my dog wasn't as socialized as he was.

 

[Indy Gal]

I try to stay out of these discussions. LOL

I would like to comment on the fence thingy though, I think it's the Bully's owners responsibility to either get a fence or make sure they can control their dog. I walk my dogs with a choker. My Bully will pull when he sees something but when the chain tightens he stops. My Rottie just whines and runs in circles but never pulls. We're in the process of getting a fence now. At our old house one of the neighbor kids kicked his ball inside our fence and left the gate open after he got it and my pitt got out. I noticed right away since I always watch my dogs when they're out. I ran out front to go get him just in time to see the Lhaso Apso next door chase him home. My pit outweiged that dog by more than 60 lbs but he hightailed it out of her yard when she came after him. It was pretty funny but I know it could've turned out badly if my dog wasn't as socialized as he was.

I try too, but always get sucked in...LOL

Here is some stuff I found.

http://www.realpitbull.com/myths.html


Myths

"Pit Bulls have locking jaws." The jaws of the Pit Bull are functionally the same as the jaws of any other breed, and this has been proven via expert examination. The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of Pit Bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any [other] breed of dog. There is absolutely not evidence for the existence of any kind of ’locking mechanism’ unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier, says Dr. I. Lerh Brisbin of the University of Georgia (from the ADBA booklet, “Discover the American Pit Bull Terrier.)


“Pit Bulls ‘turn’ on their owners.” Dogs, as a species, do not perform behaviors “just because”. There are always reasons for behavior, and when aggression becomes a problem the reasons can be such things as improper handling, lack of socialization or training, a misreading of dog behavior by the owner, or, rarely, disease. Aggression, when it presents in pet dogs, follows specific patterns. First occur warning signs, then more warning signs, and finally, when those signs are continually ignored or misinterpreted, the dog resorts to using its teeth. When an owner is startled by a sudden, aggressive outburst, it is because they have been unaware of problems that were brewing. This is true of all dogs, not just Pit Bulls. Pit Bulls, indeed no dogs, “turn” on their owners.

“The only thing Pit Bulls are good for is dog fighting.” Unfortunately, a large amount of attention has been brought to the fact that the Pit Bull was originally created for fighting other dogs in the pit. Since the breed was selectively bred for and excelled at this task, there is a common assumption that fighting must be all for which the breed is good. The truth of the matter is that the Pit Bull is one of the most versatile of canines, capable of excelling at just about any task his owner asks him to complete. This breed is routinely used for: obedience trialing, conformation showing, weight pull, Schutzhund (a German sport which requires dogs to perform in obedience, tracking and protection phases of a competition), agility, and have even been known to participate in herding trials, search and rescue work, and a variety of other tasks including police and armed services work. But fanciers will argue that the task this breed performs best of all is that of beloved companion.

http://www.realpitbull.com/life.html

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/myths.cfm

http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/photo.html

And this is why we should not ban pits... http://www.wallacethepitbull.com/index2.html
Proposed BSL for Minnesota
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]State Representative John Lesch (DFL) announced that he will be proposing a state wide ban of 5 breeds of dogs across the entire state of Minnesota. (No I am not kidding) The 5 breeds are Akitas, Chow Chows, Pit Bulls, Rottweilers and Wolf Hybrids. Anybody caught owning one of these dogs will be faced with as many as 90 days in jail and fines of of up to $1,000.[/SIZE][/FONT]

http://www.wallacethepitbull.com/index2.html watch these videos...no dog fighting these are good..

Okay guys sorry, but you know how I am....LOL

 

[Lurker]

Also what alot of people don't know is that the Bullys born and raised to fight are often fed gunpowder mixed with their food. This kills their brain and basically makes them insane. Ever heard the term "Mean as a junkyard dog"? That's what was done to alot of them as well. Their fed to be completely insane and irrational. As much as I'd like to rescue an abused Pit, I wouldn't do it unless I had the acreage to accomodate an animal like that. My Pit is a purple ribbon line and has exceptional breeding, as well as the Pit I owned before. She lived to the ripe old age of 16 and was one of the smartest dogs I've ever owned.

 

[Lurker]

And Pit Bulls were actually bred to bait bulls. The term Pit Bull didn't come about until later when they were put in a pit with rats for drunken entertainment in pubs.

 

[Indy Gal]

And Pit Bulls were actually bred to bait bulls. The term Pit Bull didn't come about until later when they were put in a pit with rats for drunken entertainment in pubs.

I caught you, you watch Nancy Grace last night didnt you?

 

[Lurker]

Here's another good link.

http://www.pitbullregistry.com/unwaranted negative stigma.htm

I know Indy and I won't change people's mind on the breed, I just want people to realize that Bully's really do get a bad rap.

 

[Lurker]

I caught you, you watch Nancy Grace last night didnt you?

I started to but I had to turn it off. I was sitting on the couch with my Bully's head on my lap and he was groaning while I was scratching his head. I kept seeing the footage of the fights over and over and would start crying. He kept jumping up to kiss me. LOL

I had to turn if off, it upset me and PISSED me off way too much.

Did you see the part about the rape stands? His females were so insane they had to be tied to a stand so they could be bred.

I'm sorry but I'd like a few minutes in a room with Michael Vick right now.

 

[Indy Gal]

I started to but I had to turn it off. I was sitting on the couch with my Bully's head on my lap and he was groaning while I was scratching his head. I kept seeing the footage of the fights over and over and would start crying. He kept jumping up to kiss me. LOL

I had to turn if off, it upset me and PISSED me off way too much.

Did you see the part about the rape stands? His females were so insane they had to be tied to a stand so they could be bred.

I'm sorry but I'd like a few minutes in a room with Michael Vick right now.

I am right there with you. I watched it with my eyes closed. I just dont understand what these people get from this. Oh yea you know it is so much fun to watch dogs kill each other. F%$#ing LOSERS!!!!

 

[SadieMae]

Lurker, the pit you have is not the problems. But, as Texana posted, how do we as the general public know which are the good one and bad ones when we run across one. Your pit sounds like it has the temperament of the breed standards.
OMG, glad I didn't watch NG.

 

[Lurker]

Lurker, the pit you have is not the problems. But, as Texana posted, how do we as the general public know which are the good one and bad ones when we run across one. Your pit sounds like it has the temperament of the breed standards.
OMG, glad I didn't watch NG.

That's a really good question. Sadly, I don't have the answer.

I also couldn't tell you what people have any kind of properly bred dog be it a Pit, Rott, Shepherd, etc. It's sad but true. The backyard breeders have ruined several breeds and scarred their image for life. In my own experience, you can usually tell a pit that hasn't been properly bred by it's looks. That comes from knowing the bred and being familiar with what they should look like, stance, head, back etc. I'd definitely watch out for any dog that has cropped ears, that's a dead giveaway. There is absolutely NO reason for a Pit to have cropped ears unless it is or was a fighting dog. Also if they're chained in their yard or kept outside.

 

[Indy Gal]

That's a really good question. Sadly, I don't have the answer.

I also couldn't tell you what people have any kind of properly bred dog be it a Pit, Rott, Shepherd, etc. It's sad but true. The backyard breeders have ruined several breeds and scarred their image for life. In my own experience, you can usually tell a pit that hasn't been properly bred by it's looks. That comes from knowing the bred and being familiar with what they should look like, stance, head, back etc. I'd definitely watch out for any dog that has cropped ears, that's a dead giveaway. There is absolutely NO reason for a Pit to have cropped ears unless it is or was a fighting dog. Also if they're chained in their yard or kept outside.

I would say maybe they should be muzzled in public, as much as I hate too. But you are right Lurker it is hard to tell. I almost had my arm removed once only because I fear no dog...Dumb me, but I am that person that stops and takes them to rescues when I see them on the street. I come in contact with mostly sweet pits who have been dumped.

 

[Indy Gal]

I try too, but always get sucked in...LOL




Myths





http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/photo.html

And this is why we should not ban pits... http://www.wallacethepitbull.com/index2.html
Proposed BSL for Minnesota
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]State Representative John Lesch (DFL) announced that he will be proposing a state wide ban of 5 breeds of dogs across the entire state of Minnesota. (No I am not kidding) The 5 breeds are Akitas, Chow Chows, Pit Bulls, Rottweilers and Wolf Hybrids. Anybody caught owning one of these dogs will be faced with as many as 90 days in jail and fines of of up to $1,000.[/SIZE][/FONT]

Quoting myself only because I am scared this was lost in my long ramblings..LOL

 

[Lurker]

I would say maybe they should be muzzled in public, as much as I hate too. But you are right Lurker it is hard to tell. I almost had my arm removed once only because I fear no dog...Dumb me, but I am that person that stops and takes them to rescues when I see them on the street. I come in contact with mostly sweet pits who have been dumped.

Being a Pit owner, I wouldn't be opposed to that. We just bought a new house and I had a heck of a time finding homeowners insurance having both a rott and a pitt. State Farm was the only company that would insure us and that was after proof that my dogs had never bitten anyone.

I know where you're coming from on the no fear thing. My friend and I crossed a field one time and two Newfoundlands charged us. Man those dogs are huge! I thought we were being chased by a bear! My friend started screaming and running until I grabbed her. I told her to stand completely still and not to look them in the eye. We both stood motionless and looked above them until the attack stance went away. I ended up rolling on the ground playing with them while she took off.

 

[Ntegrity]

OMG, glad I didn't watch NG.

SAME HERE. I can't handle animal cruelty stuff. It breaks my heart.

 

[Nova]

I don't think Boyzmomee was being heartless....

There was a very valid point made by Boyz. It applies to all animal ownership, including pits. Some people as we have seen in stories of pit attacks, should never have owned the animal.

I didn't say Boyzmomee was wrong, I said she was cruel (ETA: perhaps unintentionally).

Cheko1's post demonstrated with painful clarity that she had learned the lesson the hard way. If Boyzmomee wanted to reiterate the point, she could have done so in a fairer way, one that acknowledged what Cheko1 had already said.

Some people need to count to ten and think before they post.

 

[Indy Gal]

I didn't say Boyzmomee was wrong, I said she was cruel.

Cheko1's post demonstrated with painful clarity that she had learned the lesson the hard way. If Boyzmomee wanted to reiterate the point, she could have done so in a fairer way, one that acknowledged what Cheko1 had already said.

Some people need to count to ten and think before they post.

A lot of times that is me...:bang:

 

[Nova]

A lot of times that is me...:bang:

The rest of the time it's me.

 

[catsmeow]

Quoting myself only because I am scared this was lost in my long ramblings..LOL

"And this is why we should not ban pits... http://www.wallacethepitbull.com/index2.html
Proposed BSL for Minnesota
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]State Representative John Lesch (DFL) announced that he will be proposing a state wide ban of 5 breeds of dogs across the entire state of Minnesota. (No I am not kidding) The 5 breeds are Akitas, Chow Chows, Pit Bulls, Rottweilers and Wolf Hybrids. Anybody caught owning one of these dogs will be faced with as many as 90 days in jail and fines of of up to $1,000."[/SIZE][/FONT]

How scary is THAT!?!?!?! I'm sorry but THAT scares me half to death! I don't have papers for my Mal, when I walk him in the neighborhood people sometimes cross to the other side of the street. I think people wonder if he's part wolf. PLUS, some people are weirded out by his one blue eye at first. He struts like he's hot stuff cause he thinks he's a show dog and every walk is the Westminster dog show but he doesn't know he can be scary looking. And noone would know that if you scratched him in a certain place under his chin, he falls over and starts twitching cause he's ticklish.

AND I don't have papers for my cattledog, and a LOT of people have mistaken her for a PIT mix with cropped ears! She is ridiculously affectionate and a complete ham, chases and herds my cats all day long and my younger cat actually thinks it is fun. She usually starts it with a 'drive by' teaser walk in front of Freckles and then she takes off running. Who is to judge if my dogs do or don't have wolf or pit in them?

As I said in a post yesterday:

It is just not purely about the breed.​

Are there things that are just naturally inherent in certain races? Are they and could they be considered bad and used in a bad way? If so, should we stay away and keep those races out of our country/states/towns as well and or dictate that families should not associate with them?​

The same thing was happening not so long ago with German Shepherds and Rotties in another country, they were banning them. So we ban Pits, then they will start fighting and inbreeding GSD's, Rotties and Dobbie's and we'll be onto banning those breeds next.​

Makes me wonder why he is not including German Sheps in his proposal too? Does he own Sheps?