Please Update George's Condition or New Developments Here

[bunnyphoenix1]

I don't see him as uncooperative - he testified at the GJ for goodness sake! And he was seemingly very forthcoming in interviews. I think he just tries to play different roles to keep everyone [CA] happy. At this point he's lawyered up so operating under advice of an attorney...even so I haven't seen anything regarding his refusal to cooperate with LE...

Back when BC first came into the pic, he made it clear that his clients would not be speaking to LE without immunity. They may have "helped" police in the first couple of weeks, telling differing stories, inconsistent statements and some mistruths, but LE has made it clear they've been less than co-operative since.

BTW, witnesses and family members in murder cases don't usually have their own criminal lawyers, nor do they request immunity, no matter what BC says.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

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[elfie]

Back when BC first came into the pic, he made it clear that his clients would not be speaking to LE without immunity. They may have "helped" police in the first couple of weeks, telling differing stories, inconsistent statements and some mistruths, but LE has made it clear they've been less than co-operative since.

BTW, witnesses and family members in murder cases don't usually have their own criminal lawyers, nor do they request immunity, no matter what BC says.

I'm not sure bunny, I'd have to agree with Deej. How much more helpful can one get than testifying at a GJ?

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I'm not sure bunny, I'd have to agree with Deej. How much more helpful can one get than testifying at a GJ?

He didn't testify voluntarily...he was subpoenaed and had no choice. If he'd had a choice, I doubt he would have done it.

The police no doubt have a lot more questions since he was last iv'ed, which was many months before Caylee's remains were found. IMO, it is entirely wrong for him to refuse to co-operate with police in their investigation into finding out who killed his granddaughter, even if he believes his daughter is the perpetrator.

ETA...this article went a bit unnoticed because of the suicide attempt, but was reported on Monday...

What News 13 has learned is that the Anthonys have not been talking with the sheriff's office recently. News 13 was told the Thursday before George Anthony disappeared that Allan said if the Anthonys would come forward with any "truthful" information, they would be more than happy to sit down and talk with them. It shows a clear rift between the Anthonys and the agency investigating their daughter's case.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/...y_to_be_released_from_hospital.html?refresh=1

 

[Chilly Willy]

He didn't testify voluntarily...he was subpoenaed and had no choice. If he'd had a choice, I doubt he would have done it.

The police no doubt have a lot more questions since he was last iv'ed, which was many months before Caylee's remains were found. IMO, it is entirely wrong for him to refuse to co-operate with police in their investigation into finding out who killed his granddaughter, even if he believes his daughter is the perpetrator.

Do you, by any chance, have a link to LE requesting an interview with George recently and George refusing to cooperate?

 

[elfie]

He didn't testify voluntarily...he was subpoenaed and had no choice. If he'd had a choice, I doubt he would have done it.

The police no doubt have a lot more questions since he was last iv'ed, which was many months before Caylee's remains were found. IMO, it is entirely wrong for him to refuse to co-operate with police in their investigation into finding out who killed his granddaughter, even if he believes his daughter is the perpetrator.

He's between a rock and a hard place; la scylla & charybdis. There's so much pressure for him to be Caylee's rock. I think he'll do the right thing, but he needs time to heal.

 

[CapsDeej]

Back when BC first came into the pic, he made it clear that his clients would not be speaking to LE without immunity. They may have "helped" police in the first couple of weeks, telling differing stories, inconsistent statements and some mistruths, but LE has made it clear they've been less than co-operative since.

BTW, witnesses and family members in murder cases don't usually have their own criminal lawyers, nor do they request immunity, no matter what BC says.

I just don't see following advice of a lawyer as being uncooperative in this case. In such a high-profile case I think that everyone needs a lawyer. A crime is a crime regardless of intent. If I had washed my daughter's pants that later turned up to be possible evidence, I might be seeking immunity too.

I'm not saying any of them are without fault and they have done things - some intentional, some unintentional - but we just don't know ALL the facts ALL the circumstances...so it's hard for me to judge one way or another.

And you know what - we don't HAVE to talk to police if we don't want to. If a cop walks up and wants to know your name - you don't have to answer and there is nothing they can do. Its our right. Now most of us with nothing to hide would give the cop our name but we are not required to do so.

We have a recent murder here where I live and my son (17 years old) had been best friends [more like brothers] with the suspect up until about a year prior to the murder. My son didn't want to talk to the police - it was VERY hard for him to reconcile his old friend as a murderer. He wasn't trying to be uncooperative - he was just scared and confused and heartbroken. When the police began harassing him and then threatened us ("we've got ways of making him talk" and "we'll bring him in one way or antoher" and "we can do this the easy way or the hard way"), I sought legal advice - not because my son was guilty of anything or because he knew something pertinent (he hadn't even talked to this kid for a year) but because I wanted to do what was right while at the same time protecting my son. He is young and has a lot of years left to live - I didn't want this crazy, unexpected incident to affect the rest of that life. After speaking with a lawyer, we set up meeting with detectives, laid everything out and now its over. I wouldn't have done it any other way.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a credit card given the financial situation they were in.

This is what I think also, bunnyphoenix1. I had also read somewhere (no link) that he was 'broke', IIRC. I read that early on.

I would like to know if L. King paid for the Anthony's air fare to California for the interview they gave the night before Caylee's remains were found. Probably so, but I wonder who contacted whom? Then George and Cindy were at the Ritz for that weekend when they got back. I know it was supposedly because of the search warrant for their house, but yet they went to the house to get the dogs. Once LE was done with the search warrant, they would have been free to be at their house.

My point is that the Anthony's have almost been treated as celebrities since the the day Casey was arrested. They have ridden in limos and been flown around the country for interviews. They have attended 'events' for Caylee and other missing children. Now all of this has come to a screeching halt since Caylee's remains were found. Are they all having trouble adjusting to remaining out of the spotlight? Has George been so busy during all of this time that he has had a problem readjusting to having nothing to do?

When the Anthony's world stopped being about interviews and planning the next move, George had plenty of time to think about all of it. Had he come to the realization that it was real after all? That his granddaughter was never coming back and that his daughter was indited for her murder? There had been so much speculation that an arrest might be in the making for he and Cindy, and maybe Lee. George is not stupid. He is ex-LE and knew that as much of the truth as possible would be uncovered? George had told Casey in a jail visit that the family could go into a protection program if they were being threatened, or something to that effect, IIRC.

Bottom line is that I am now beginning to wonder if George has asked for immunity to turn State's evidence. I think George created this opportunity and was never serious about committing suicide. When his world stopped being so busy, I think he realized that he needed to do the right thing and stop the pretending. We will see.

 

[Gma Kat]

I just don't see following advice of a lawyer as being uncooperative in this case. In such a high-profile case I think that everyone needs a lawyer. A crime is a crime regardless of intent. If I had washed my daughter's pants that later turned up to be possible evidence, I might be seeking immunity too.

I'm not saying any of them are without fault and they have done things - some intentional, some unintentional - but we just don't know ALL the facts ALL the circumstances...so it's hard for me to judge one way or another.

And you know what - we don't HAVE to talk to police if we don't want to. If a cop walks up and wants to know your name - you don't have to answer and there is nothing they can do. Its our right. Now most of us with nothing to hide would give the cop our name but we are not required to do so.

We have a recent murder here where I live and my son (17 years old) had been best friends [more like brothers] with the suspect up until about a year prior to the murder. My son didn't want to talk to the police - it was VERY hard for him to reconcile his old friend as a murderer. He wasn't trying to be uncooperative - he was just scared and confused and heartbroken. When the police began harassing him and then threatened us ("we've got ways of making him talk" and "we'll bring him in one way or antoher" and "we can do this the easy way or the hard way"), I sought legal advice - not because my son was guilty of anything or because he knew something pertinent (he hadn't even talked to this kid for a year) but because I wanted to do what was right while at the same time protecting my son. He is young and has a lot of years left to live - I didn't want this crazy, unexpected incident to affect the rest of that life. After speaking with a lawyer, we set up meeting with detectives, laid everything out and now its over. I wouldn't have done it any other way.

Thanks for the perspective CapsDeej. I hadn't thought of that angle. Clearly there are appropriate and necessary situations for a person not accused of a crime to "lawyer up". I don't however agree that the A's lawyering up was as innocent. They seem to have created some of their own problems in this case and now have lawyers to keep them out of further trouble and to help them navigate through the trouble they are already in.

 

[surfinsue1029]

This is what I think also, bunnyphoenix1. I had also read somewhere (no link) that he was 'broke', IIRC. I read that early on.

I would like to know if L. King paid for the Anthony's air fare to California for the interview they gave the night before Caylee's remains were found. Probably so, but I wonder who contacted whom? Then George and Cindy were at the Ritz for that weekend when they got back. I know it was supposedly because of the search warrant for their house, but yet they went to the house to get the dogs. Once LE was done with the search warrant, they would have been free to be at their house.

My point is that the Anthony's have almost been treated as celebrities since the the day Casey was arrested. They have ridden in limos and been flown around the country for interviews. They have attended 'events' for Caylee and other missing children. Now all of this has come to a screeching halt since Caylee's remains were found. Are they all having trouble adjusting to remaining out of the spotlight? Has George been so busy during all of this time that he has had a problem readjusting to having nothing to do?

When the Anthony's world stopped being about interviews and planning the next move, George had plenty of time to think about all of it. Had he come to the realization that it was real after all? That his granddaughter was never coming back and that his daughter was indited for her murder? There had been so much speculation that an arrest might be in the making for he and Cindy, and maybe Lee. George is not stupid. He is ex-LE and knew that as much of the truth as possible would be uncovered? George had told Casey in a jail visit that the family could go into a protection program if they were being threatened, or something to that effect, IIRC.

Bottom line is that I am now beginning to wonder if George has asked for immunity to turn State's evidence. I think George created this opportunity and was never serious about committing suicide. When his world stopped being so busy, I think he realized that he needed to do the right thing and stop the pretending. We will see.

Very interesting thought. I also did not think he was serious about following through. Not too many people send a number of texts before they commit the act. Now he is in isolation and away from anybody who could talk him out of possibly doing the right thing. I hope he does.

 

[FORDANIEL]

I think the Grand Jury could judge his competence (or lack thereof) when he testified before them. He was represented by a competent attorney (Nejame) who did not claim George was incompetent. So, I would assume he was fully competent at the Grandy Jury hearing.

I am not his doctor, so I cannot say whether he is incompetent at this very moment but I can tell you that competency isn't a black and white issue. You can be competent one moment and incompetent the next.

I do not feel that his testimony before the Grand Jury was not admissable,however I do feel that FUTURE testimony MAY be considered suspect,especially by the defense.I think that the possibility of having to once again testify "against" his own daughter may have been too much for GA to bear,and he may in fact have suffered from other family members as a result of his testimony.It is JMO that his future testimony will not be admissable because of his mental health status. Again JMO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Bottom line is that I am now beginning to wonder if George has asked for immunity to turn State's evidence. I think George created this opportunity and was never serious about committing suicide. When his world stopped being so busy, I think he realized that he needed to do the right thing and stop the pretending. We will see.

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Wow! Pretty interesting thought! Ya know, I could lean towards this. Thanks.:clap:

 

[RevCrim]

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Wow! Pretty interesting thought! Ya know, I could lean towards this. Thanks.:clap:

I can go along with this theory also-
I was surprised to hear on a local news today that CA has only been to see GA once since the day he was hospitalized- What is keeping her away- she has no ties- this is her husband- unless you are right and GA doesn't want to see her-
Then if that's the case- CA has no choice other than to admit KC is guilty- because it's only her and LA and she knows LA is possibly going to be charged with something- then she has no one-I think CA with throw KC under the bus to save LA.

 

[bailee]

It seemed like GA got worse after the first visit. I am sure the doctors told him to get REST and that mean no visits from you know who
.

 

[Lovejac]

Bottom line is that I am now beginning to wonder if George has asked for immunity to turn State's evidence. I think George created this opportunity and was never serious about committing suicide. When his world stopped being so busy, I think he realized that he needed to do the right thing and stop the pretending. We will see.

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LALaw! I LOVE this thinking of yours. I could definitely see this being the case and I pray it is.

 

[LaLaw2000]

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LALaw! I LOVE this thinking of yours. I could definitely see this being the case and I pray it is.

Just now getting back to reading.

Thanks.

I honestly hope this turns out to be the case!

 

[LaLaw2000]

It seemed like GA got worse after the first visit. I am sure the doctors told him to get REST and that mean no visits from you know who
.

I certainly hope there will be no further visits from 'you know who' also! Just might give him a set back.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I just want to post this in this thread in case the A's do really read here. My thoughts and prayers are with George. Never ever should suicide be talked about as horribly and un-informed as I have seen it discussed in these "George suicide" threads. Every cry for help such as this should be taken seriously and I am very glad that LE felt the same way!

Get well, George... It may just change your entire life!

 

[OneLostGrl]

I certainly hope there will be no further visits from 'you know who' also! Just might give him a set back.

ITA. hopefully being away from his family has given him time to search his soul and do the right thing.

 

[RR0004]

ITA. hopefully being away from his family has given him time to search his soul and do the right thing.

I pray that he will find peace.