POI: Michael Pak

[Seaslug44]

Some would argue that there was over a year full of large Noreaster storms plus a hurricane that brought coastal flooding (the hurricane in particular had very high flood tides). They would also point out how the investigators stated how they had to drain the entire area before they could search it.

Then again, show us any proof that the area where SG's body was found actually does indeed flood during storms.

 

[Theforeigner]

Something happened in JB's house that changed everything from SG doing a typical outcall to her freaking out in fear of someone trying to kill her. JB and MP aren't telling the whole story to cover their own butts. So we are are left to guess with what little information we have.

I would think SG and MP were friends and MP and AD were friends also. Picture MP and AD hanging out together while SG gets ready for her outcall appointment.

MP stated that it took about an hour to get to JB's house. An escort wont do an appointment that far away unless the client agrees to a multi-hour session All appointments are based on time in the hobby. JB's donation to SG would had to be 500 at the minimum and she got it up front or she would have left immediately. MP must have expected her to be doing a multi-hour session or he would have been knocking on JB's door instead of sitting in his SUV playing games on his phone. Time is everything and the more time, the more money.

The CVS call mystery. I can only come up with 2 reasons for her to make that call. Condoms is the first thought but escorts come prepared with those unless JB had a latex allergy and they needed some lambskins. The other reason could be if SG was bipolar and needed her meds because she was feeling bad.

Where did they go and what did they do during that 15 min ride? Had to be for drugs, alcohol or money unless JB hit up a neighbor for some raincoats.

Does anyone know more about SG's bipolar condition? Is it even true she was bipolar? If she is bipolar, would that explain her actions and fear? I knew a man who was bipolar, went off his meds, dressed up as superman then went into a bar and threw around 100 dollar bills. He was a well respected attorney and was normal while on his meds.

I can guess the answer to you question about if MP was behind going to LI. Highly unlikely. SG was an independent escort. If a client called an indy and a man answered, they would hang up. SG wouldn't get many appointments that way so she would be the one to answer the phone and set up her calls. There is always an exception, say if SG and JB had met before and he knew MP was her driver and was comfortable calling MP. But that is not how things usually work in the hobby. If MP was setting up her calls, he would expect more than a third of her donation. He would be getting half. She would work for an agency if she was willing to give up half.

"Where did they go and what did they do during that 15 min ride?"

This question I have asked myself over and over since the info about those 15minutes mysterious trip came to light, and I belive that the answer to that question might be a key to the Shannan Gilbert case.

 

[dcgrumpy]

Okay? And you agree with that prognosis? I certainly don't. But to each their own. They declared it an accident because they ran out of leads, and let's face it, because she was a prostitute. She wasn't going to ever get top priority from the cops. It took them four months to follow up on her disappearance. If she had been a family member of mine I would have been infuriated. And when they did discover her remains her personal belongings (cell phone, jeans, shoes) were first discovered nearly a quarter-mile from the body. Why would she take off her shoes in an environment like that? It makes no sense. Pak just never saw her again after she took off from under that boat at Colletti's place? Give me a break. Not buying it. They need to talk to Pak again. He knows something.

What I believe is irrelevant. My whole point is the police have no reason to question him again if they believe it was an accident.

 

[CMan0928]

What I believe is irrelevant. My whole point is the police have no reason to question him again if they believe it was an accident.

My argument is that I don't necessarily believe that they believe that, they just ran out of leads and/or didn't care to follow up on things appropriately for whatever reason. I could speculate, but I won't bother. It's all been said before. The four month gap between the incident and the follow-up speaks volumes to me.

 

[Just K]

I haven't found a link but i do find the following to be very interesting.
In the latest Prostitution Scandal in NYC, there is talk of NYPD, politicians, and diplomatic/international guest involvement.

After reading a few articles I found this interesting tidbit about Anna Gristina, the 44 year old Madame in question. Her first husband, upon coming to the US has a very familiar name.
"Soon after she arrived in the U.S. the-then Miss Tennant married her first husband Fernando Pak, to whom she had two daughters Suzanna and Noelanie. She was divorced by the time she was 24." (that would have been around 1992)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1or4iGpli

Apparently she met F. Pak, in Scotland, in her late teens and came to the US with him. They got married in the US. He is of Chinese decent.

On a public search he seems to have ties to Jersey City, NJ. It will be interesting to see if he is related to MP. His age is 44

Here is another link to the breaking story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1327825.html

Her 2nd hubbie, Mr Gristina, was arrested in 1998 for soliciting prostitution in Manhattan. He is currently running for some public office (Assemblyman, IIRC)
Her newest hubbie (#3) has a few very close relatives who are in NY LE.

 

[CMan0928]

I haven't found a link but i do find the following to be very interesting.
In the latest Prostitution Scandal in NYC, there is talk of NYPD, politicians, and diplomatic/international guest involvement.

After reading a few articles I found this interesting tidbit about Anna Gristina, the 44 year old Madame in question. Her first husband, upon coming to the US has a very familiar name.
"Soon after she arrived in the U.S. the-then Miss Tennant married her first husband Fernando Pak, to whom she had two daughters Suzanna and Noelanie. She was divorced by the time she was 24." (that would have been around 1992)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1or4iGpli

Apparently she met F. Pak, in Scotland, in her late teens and came to the US with him. They got married in the US. He is of Chinese decent.

On a public search he seems to have ties to Jersey City, NJ. It will be interesting to see if he is related to MP. His age is 44

Here is another link to the breaking story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1327825.html

Her 2nd hubbie, Mr Gristina, was arrested in 1998 for soliciting prostitution in Manhattan. He is currently running for some public office (Assemblyman, IIRC)
Her newest hubbie (#3) has a few very close relatives who are in NY LE.

Very interesting find. Well done!

 

[WINDSOR]

Just K,

Pak is such a common surname, I doubt if Fernando Pak, Anna Gristina's first husband is the same person as out MP.

Do you think Anna would look at a picture of our MP and confirm or deny it is the the same man?

BTW it has been about six weeks since I speculated that MP has disappeared or gone underground, and still no news about his current whereabouts or location.

The fact he has not been located, increases my belief of his criminal knowledge and/or involvement with SG's death.

MOO

 

[LINative13]

I wish GC would have whooped that guys *advertiser censored* that night.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Windsor,
Pak also was going by the last name Park. I'm not sure if he still uses that.

 

[Samantha Spade]

PS. Windsor,
I can't provide a link to back that up, but I can tell you how we were able to find it if I remember correctly. We were tring to find those videos of him dressing up his chihuahuas. So we googled a phone number that he had used which was posted on one of these boards. That phone number led to an ad he was placing which provided more info which was googled which led to I believe a myspace page where he used Michael Park instead of Pak. Ultimately we found the chihuaha videos.

 

[Just K]

Just K,

Pak is such a common surname, I doubt if Fernando Pak, Anna Gristina's first husband is the same person as out MP.

Do you think Anna would look at a picture of our MP and confirm or deny it is the the same man?

BTW it has been about six weeks since I speculated that MP has disappeared or gone underground, and still no news about his current whereabouts or location.

The fact he has not been located, increases my belief of his criminal knowledge and/or involvement with SG's death.

MOO

I was thinking MP might be a brother or a cousin of Fernando Pak. MP in the business and FP's ex-wife now high up in the biz...makes you wonder...well makes me wonder.

 

[WINDSOR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WINDSOR
Truth,

It is good that knowledgeable people are speaking to you. It shows they appreciate your level of expertise in these matters and what you can add.

Good Job

BTW do those knowledgeable people know the whereabouts of MP in case he needs to be called as a witness?

yes, mp still speaks to people (in person) concerning the case.


The above is from another thread, and Truthspider has confirmed that MP is okay and available as needed.

With this news my confidence in MP as key part in the demise of SG has dropped slightly. I still believe that MP has vital information that has not been released to the public yet, hopefully LE has learned everything that MP knows.

MOO

 

[WINDSOR]

I was just about to eliminate MP as my POI in the death of SG. This decision was based on the facts that it has been confirmed that the proper authorities know where MP's current location is, and are in communication with him.

I then was about to believe that LE had no reason to believe he was involved in SG's disappearance and death.

Then it occurred to me that LE has had a pretty poor performance in this case, and in fact initially LE stated SG wandered off and drowned. (It just took them months to find her body)

I personally have a choice.

Believe LE who says that MP is not criminally involved, and forget about him;

or.........

Believe LE is wrong to dismiss MP as a POI, (as they have been in so many other areas) and continue sleuthing MP.

Bearing in mind that I am focused primarily on SG's death, and not the other bodies, I believe that MP is still a POI

MOO

 

[the quiet girl]

You state there is proof on MP.
I dont know where this proof is, if you are considering the statement by truthspider he has never given any when asked.
So to me that is just a statement thrown out there, in till it is proven.
imo

 

[WINDSOR]

Dear Quiet Girl,

You bring up a valid point regarding Truthspider. I do believe Truth is involved in this case closely enough to have information from sources he cannot reveal. I am willing to accept Truth's assertion as fact that currently LE is in communication with MP and knows his location.

But if that is not true or more likely; if MP has evaded LE's proper scrutiny and consideration as a suspect then MP is still a prime suspect in the death of SG.

We have to understand Truth is adamant that CPH is the LISK. LE to date have cleared CPH as they have MP.

The dilemma for Truth is that he is saying LE right about MP but wrong about CPH. I believe that Truth is making these choices based on confidential info he has from LE. However what LE knows and believes and then shares with Truth may be wrong, based on LE's past effectiveness.

So it really comes down to this, how reliable is the information LE is sharing either publicly or in confidence? They have shown me nothing that gives me confidence in them.

Therefore unless MP is some sort of witness protection plan, I believe it is important that we continue sleuthing him.

MOO

 

[Theforeigner]

Dear Quiet Girl,

You bring up a valid point regarding Truthspider. I do believe Truth is involved in this case closely enough to have information from sources he cannot reveal. I am willing to accept Truth's assertion as fact that currently LE is in communication with MP and knows his location.

But if that is not true or more likely; if MP has evaded LE's proper scrutiny and consideration as a suspect then MP is still a prime suspect in the death of SG.

We have to understand Truth is adamant that CPH is the LISK. LE to date have cleared CPH as they have MP.

The dilemma for Truth is that he is saying LE right about MP but wrong about CPH. I believe that Truth is making these choices based on confidential info he has from LE. However what LE knows and believes and then shares with Truth may be wrong, based on LE's past effectiveness.

So it really comes down to this, how reliable is the information LE is sharing either publicly or in confidence? They have shown me nothing that gives me confidence in them.

Therefore unless MP is some sort of witness protection plan, I believe it is important that we continue sleuthing him.

MOO

Where did you get the info that LE share info with Truthspider?

 

[LINative13]

MP is lying. I have witnessed some pretty horrific crimes and not once when asked a question about them did the conversation go like this: "What did she say?" said the interviewer. " OHhhhh what did she say? what did she say. Oh yea, she said they were trying to kill me"

 

[Samantha Spade]

The PREMATURE announcement of Shannan's "probable" cause of death spoke volumes to me.

They don't want anyone fleeing the country. And they need more time to build a case.

Just another of my many opinions.

 

[WINDSOR]

Foreigner

Go to the thread...Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think? post #352 and on.

Now read carefully;

Truthspider speaks of............people
.........................................who know a lot about the case
.........................................who have interviewed all the players
.........................................who have spoken to Truthspider about his POI

What kind occupation might those....people.... have?

I am taking a wild guess though, because I and nobody else would want to get Truth in trouble with his friends.

In the English language, often what is not said tells you more than what is said.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Foreigner

Go to the thread...Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think? post #352 and on.

Now read carefully;

Truthspider speaks of............people
.........................................who know a lot about the case
.........................................who have interviewed all the players
.........................................who have spoken to Truthspider about his POI

What kind occupation might those....people.... have?

I am taking a wild guess though, because I and nobody else would want to getTruth in trouble with his friends.


In the English language, often what is not said tells you more than what is said.

Why would LE communicate with truthspider?