Possible Victim: Natasha Jugo, 31, Queens, Body Washed Ashore and belongings found on Gilgo Beach Mar 2013 *car fnd Ocean Pkwy*

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carbuff said:
It sounds more like somebody who knew she was having emotional difficulties and knew he could make it look like she killed herself.
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Of all the multitudes of murderers out on Oak Beach, I'd nominate the LISK to be the one most likely to set it up like that.
 
I am just really shocked at how badly science, math, and facts are being over looked to help fit her disappearance HAVING to be a murder.
 
giagreen said:
I am just really shocked at how badly science, math, and facts are being over looked to help fit her disappearance HAVING to be a murder.
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I see a very slim possibility that something else happened, but nothing to make me think it's anything other than what it seems.
 
giagreen said:
I am just really shocked at how badly science, math, and facts are being over looked to help fit her disappearance HAVING to be a murder.
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Yeah, shocking that people would find a young woman washing up on Gilgo Beach suspicious. What are they thinking?? Science, math, and "facts" all prove it's a suicide, yesiree bob.

carbuff said:
I see a very slim possibility that something else happened, but nothing to make me think it's anything other than what it seems.
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Me too - seems like probably a murder.
 
I also myself can see a slim possibility of something els had happen to her. I have an open mind about this.
It's just that this is a sleuthing site. From what I understand sleuthing means to carry out a search or investigation in the manner of a detective.
Detectives don't just find a body where others were found and assume it must be the same guy. They have a medical personal who is licensed and went to school to perform autopsies.
They have other professionals who have gone to school and knows everything there is to know about forensics who they then talk to. You have to do the process of elimination in order to come to a conclusion. And follow the facts.
Some simple facts are that Natasha was missing for 101 days. A body that is decomposing in colder water after about 109 days is going to be saponification covered by a thin friable crust. Not dismembered or skeletonized. That don't normally happen until about around 400 or so days.
The typical temperatures on the shores of long island at the time she went missing would of been cold enough to allow this to happen. The typical temperature of the water at the time she was found is also consistent with the temperature it would take for a body to then resurface. So how can anyone just say there is no way she was in that water for three months?
How could anyone just assume that she had to of been murdered and placed in the water at a later date? I am not saying 100% that she wasn't murdered. I am just saying you need to do a full investigation in order to come to a conclusion and explore all possibilities before jumping on a ban wagon.
Not only that but take a good look at the phycology side of a serial killer. The other bodies found on LI do not match up with Natasha's death at Gilgo beach. Other then that she had a history of mental problems like SG....so that must make her a prostitute then...of course. Who was being followed by a group of people who wanted to kill her for a snuff film. Or yet was spotted walking to the beach by a one legged doctor who doesn't even live in that area anymore.
 
giagreen said:
It's just that this is a sleuthing site.
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Sleuth it, then. The cops have released next-to-nothing in terms of info. The parents have nothing to say. We haven't heard detailed reports from those who watched her wash in. So good luck with the sleuthing.

Here's what I know - the police out there are f'ed up, in so many ways. They probably already know who LISK is. Anything they say tends to make me believe that the opposite must be true. So when they say, immediately (of course), that Jugo is not involved with the other cases, the eyebrow raises reflexively.

So, you can think it's a sleuthing site, I can think it's a site where people like to call themselves sleuths but really just mostly shoot the bull about serial killers. And express their opinions (I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a rule published here that posts must be sleuth-worthy and can't be old-fashioned conjecture).
 
PreciousDust said:
Sleuth it, then. The cops have released next-to-nothing in terms of info. The parents have nothing to say. We haven't heard detailed reports from those who watched her wash in. So good luck with the sleuthing.

Here's what I know - the police out there are f'ed up, in so many ways. They probably already know who LISK is. Anything they say tends to make me believe that the opposite must be true. So when they say, immediately (of course), that Jugo is not involved with the other cases, the eyebrow raises reflexively.

So, you can think it's a sleuthing site, I can think it's a site where people like to call themselves sleuths but really just mostly shoot the bull about serial killers. And express their opinions (I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a rule published here that posts must be sleuth-worthy and can't be old-fashioned conjecture).
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I did sleuth it, OBVIOUSLY. I didn't go right to jumping on the ban wagon and wanted to know how possible it was that she could of stayed in the water for three months. I wanted to know if how common suicide by drowning really was. I definitely sleuths all that before simply saying "theres just no way she was in that water for three months" When in fact there are ways. It is possible. And suicide by drowning is not as uncommon as people think. So you can not rule any of that out just yet. Until the autopsy reports are made public there is no way of knowing anything other then that it is possible that she was in that water for three months.
It just simply is. If you want to say that it's not and rule that possibility out and post all over that this was 100% a murder then sleuth it your self and prove me wrong. Because like I said I am still open to the idea of murder I just find it really hard to believe and can also now understand why and how her body could of been in the water for three months.
 
giagreen said:
I did sleuth it, OBVIOUSLY. I didn't go right to jumping on the ban wagon and wanted to know how possible it was that she could of stayed in the water for three months. I wanted to know if how common suicide by drowning really was. I definitely sleuths all that before simply saying "theres just no way she was in that water for three months" When in fact there are ways. It is possible. And suicide by drowning is not as uncommon as people think. So you can not rule any of that out just yet. Until the autopsy reports are made public there is no way of knowing anything other then that it is possible that she was in that water for three months.
It just simply is. If you want to say that it's not and rule that possibility out and post all over that this was 100% a murder then sleuth it your self and prove me wrong. Because like I said I am still open to the idea of murder I just find it really hard to believe and can also now understand why and how her body could of been in the water for three months.
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Let's all pipe down and wait for the coroner to come back with his/her "death undetermined" report. Then we will all wonder for the rest of our lives what really happened to this young, beautiful woman who lost her life senselessly no matter which way you slice it. RIP Natasha
 
Natasha felt someone was stalking her. Does anyone have a link to that information. I still wonder why she drove to Gilgo instead of Rockaway.
 
JillyNJ said:
You're the #1 sleuther giagreen! And by the way, the saying is "band wagon" not "ban wagon".

Let's all pipe down and wait for the coroner to come back with his/her "death undetermined" report. Then we will all wonder for the rest of our lives what really happened to this young, beautiful woman who lost her life senselessly no matter which way you slice it. RIP Natasha
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I'm not saying I am the the #1 sleuther. I think it's common sense.
But then again maybe just maybe if I assume she was possibly an escort because she was Yugoslavian-American in the tri-state area I could hold some merit around here basing my facts off of assumptions, and someone race. Ha yeah right!!!!!

Oh and by the way it's actually "bandwagon" not "band wagon" but really who gives a crap? This isn't grammar school.
 
Is there any word on Natasha's autopsy? Do you think we'll get any of that information? I would sure like to know what the COD was.
 
JillyNJ said:
I never said that she was an escort. Go back and re-read. This time take a deep breath and don't skim through people's wording to suit your need to debate. I can assure you that I only stated it was a possibility given the large population of Russian, German, Polish etc girls in the industry in this area. You put out your statement and I put out mine. No need to act ridiculous. It's a public forum, obviously not everyone will agree. But you stating that we must believe that she jumped in the ocean in winter to end her life with no actual proof and say well thats just common sense is BS. This is America sweetie your common sense may be my sci-Fi...
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Actually I thought we were having a good debate until I was called the # 1 sleuther and spell checked. I don't remember ever being sarcastic to anyone up till then.
And I am not saying that anyone has to believe she jumped into the ocean. Like I have said time and time again. And I will say it again I AM STILL OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT SHE WAS MURDERED. I personally doubt it, but I won't over look it.
My problem is the victim bashing, and the LE bashing. How can anyone bash LE for thinking she could be in the water for three months when it is very possible? Saying there is just no way so LE is obviously hiding something. I simply prefer to do my research before bashing the very people I would call for help if something were to happen to me or my kids.
And to be honest if this was my daughter and she was suffering from mental health problems, and was suicidal and people kept on pressing that she was possibly an escort because of her race and where she lived. And because of where she drove to commit suicide. I would in fact call that victim bashing.
So maybe just maybe someone should go and re read what I wrote with out skimming threw it, because I know I don't skim threw anything.
And also saying that
"some reason in the tri-state area there is a large population of Russians, Slovaks, etc. working in the sex industry" is like me saying that in Atlanta most prostitutes are black women.....think about the population? Of course most would be black. It has nothing to actually do with the race but rather the population.
Oh and I also never said that you did say she was an escort I said "maybe if I assume she was possibly an escort because she was Yugoslavian-American in the tri-state area" Hints the world possibly.
 
I can't see the picture at all. It's just black. I wonder if it's that way for everyone or just me?
 
Giagreen. it appears black to me too. but when you click on the link on the blue bar which is above the black screen, it will take you to the site with the pic.
 
"natasha at haven hotel" must be in quotes.

You should see a pic of a beautiful young woman (escort maybe) sitting at a table with a costco card and some lines on it. in the background is a heart shaped mirror. I put this image beside the photo released for NJ and I found the similiarities uncanny.
 
I just find it so strange that they come out and yell its not the LISK when they don't know how the person died or any other details.

Its like the movie Jaws when they caught the Tiger Shark and said it was the shark but it really wasn't. Just said it was too calm everyone down.
 
Samantha Spade said:
Giagreen. it appears black to me too. but when you click on the link on the blue bar which is above the black screen, it will take you to the site with the pic.
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I found it. I just can't make my mind up and it's not really that I don't think they look alike it's just that the only picture I've been able to find of Natasha isn't a great picture of her and is kind of blurry.
 
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