Post your PROFILE

[LINative13]

Then add someone spreading a rumor, you trying desperately to reconcile your daughters death....,a lot can happen in the brain.

 

[fred&edna]

While there has been plenty of strange, perplexing, as well as possible/likely/maybe evidence that CPH had involvement in SG's death... I've always felt there was something missing.

Storytelling and rumors just fertilized the strangeness... they didn't confirm guilt.

 

[deedee21]

I think it would help to know what day and time of day Diaz and Pak went to Oak Beach. CPH should at least remember if he called Mari on the SAME day he saw them. Getting dates mixed up happens to everyone. Remembering the sequence of events on a particular day is easier. If he remembers calling Mari a few days after they showed up at OB and the phone records say differently then he may have a problem. His wifes phone was used to call Mari on May 3rd. On another note. SG died. I do not believe it was an accident.

 

[giagreen]

I thought Pak had said they went looking for SG May 2nd?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

My personal feeling is, and always has been, that Hackett is our guy. Without being able to connect him to any of these other 4 victims, what can you do but keep looking? And when LE (for some strange reason) won't even consider him a POI, despite the fact that it's an established fact that he lied about that phone call to Mari Gilbert (not once, but many times!)...eventually you just have to conclude that LE doesn't WANT to investigate Hackett. Makes me wonder why...but then, I think I can guess.

 

[hawkshaw]

MK, you can guess? OK, take a run at it, I am all ears.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Not for all the tea in China, Hawk.

 

[LINative13]

I'll take a stab at it.
Investigation = embarrassment

 

[hawkshaw]

10 dead bodies trumps someone being embarrassed.. I think if the cops ever did a complete investigation the details would make the people forget about the murders.....and the errrrrrrrrr, accidental drowning or whatever it was of SG......but, of course she wasn't murdered.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Here's a hypothetical. Let's say you have a very successful company, and lots of people are reaping the benefits of said company. Let's also say that company is...oh, an illegal drug operation (why not). This hypothetical company employs many different professionals...chemists, lawyers, security guards, doctors, travel agents, etc. etc. Now let's assume one of the employees turns out to be a nutjob who goes around killing addicts for giggles. If you work for the company and suspect this guy (or know for a fact what he's doing), do you expose him and risk losing your income, or worse, going to jail...or do you look the other way? I mean, it's not as though he's going around killing school teachers, right? These are just drug addicts nobody gives 2 poops about anyway.

Not saying I think this is what we're looking at here...just posing a hypothetical.

 

[websurfer]

My only thought is that he/she/they come upon their victims in ads or on the street? If in ads why is there a small child among the dead?Maybe somebody needed a ride and was offered one after missing a bus or somebody did not show up to ride them someplace?
Probably has something to do with a bus stop? I say this only because lots of people do mix up bus schedules...not sure?Lots of Bogus replies to ads too...maybe some were thinking they were going to eat or something?Are any bus stops near the island?

 

[hawkshaw]

Here's a hypothetical. Let's say you have a very successful company, and lots of people are reaping the benefits of said company. Let's also say that company is...oh, an illegal drug operation (why not). This hypothetical company employs many different professionals...chemists, lawyers, security guards, doctors, travel agents, etc. etc. Now let's assume one of the employees turns out to be a nutjob who goes around killing addicts for giggles. If you work for the company and suspect this guy (or know for a fact what he's doing), do you expose him and risk losing your income, or worse, going to jail...or do you look the other way? I mean, it's not as though he's going around killing school teachers, right? These are just drug addicts nobody gives 2 poops about anyway.

Not saying I think this is what we're looking at here...just posing a hypothetical.

I think your hypotheticals are a lot closer to the truth than you might believe.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

My only thought is that he/she/they come upon their victims in ads or on the street?If in ads why is there a small child among the dead?Maybe somebody needed a ride and was offered one after missing a bus or somebody did not show up to ride them someplace?
Probably has something to do with a bus stop? I say this only because lots of people do mix up bus schedules...not sure?Lots of Bogus replies to ads too...maybe some were thinking they were going to eat or something?Are any bus stops near the island?

BBM

I think this particular stretch of Long Island (as well as Manorville) has been a dumping ground for quite sometime. Both are ideal locations in which to get rid of bodies. For instance, Ocean Parkway is VERY dark and desolate at night, and you can see the headlights of another car coming from a LONG way away. You don't get caught unaware there, in other words. Manorville is basically the boondocks. It's not at all absurd to think that, just because whole bodies, or parts of bodies, are found in the same general area, that they might have no connection to each other at all. Take Jessica Taylor, for example. She was a prostitute, yes, but not an online escort. She was dismembered. Her torso was found in Manorville, minus her head and hands, and with a tattoo scratched out. Clearly a case where someone knew her murder could be traced to them and so made a concerted effort to conceal her identity if and when she ever was found. You don't dismember someone towards that end only to dump the body parts all in the same location. So, with Taylor, what we're likely looking at is a killer who knew her, dumped her body in Manorville, then drove to Ocean Parkway and tossed her head there (sorry to be so graphic). It's possible that one of the Jane Doe remains, and the baby, who are connected through DNA, might have a similar story to Taylor's. In the case of the GB4, though, we have commonalities that are glaringly obvious. All were online escorts, all were strangled, all were wrapped in burlap, and all were grouped very close together. These 4 victims are undeniably the work of a common killer. The other remains found off Ocean Parkway haven't a single common thread to connect them to the GB4. COULD they all be the work of one killer? I guess. But it seems very unlikely to me.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[hawkshaw]

The problem with Ocean Parkway is even if you are dumping a body and you don't see the headlights of a upcoming car the car could suddenly appear while you are taking a body out of a car and dumping it. That means your car is on the roadway when there is no reasonable reason for it to be there. What do you do then?

SCPD cars do not go there at night unless they have business there. NYSP or Park Police are sorely undermanned, especially in non summer months. Chances for a police car to be there is highly minimal. But would you still want to take the chance there is a car in the neighborhood that is passing by for some legitimate reason.

Do you think a civilian passing by in their car is going to take notice and write down your license plate?

A serial killer just doesn't dump people in the same location, with rare exceptions other than the killing happens at the location and the body is left at the scene of the murder.

IMHO, this is the work of a KILLER, not a Serial Killer. Killers usually don't care because they are killers and are arrogant to believe the cops won't care.

I told you in other posts how I came across the body of a OC guy dumped in the trunk of his car in my very residential neighborhood. All I needed to know from the detectives on the scene was where the body came from. Not the name and not the owner of the car. I pointed them to the probable house where the killer(s) went only a few blocks away.

A NCPD detective scoffed at my information. They were wrong.

 

[hawkshaw]

The detective wouldn't believe an OC guy would kill a guy in Ridgewood, Queens and run the risk of taking his body into Nassau County and then dump the body near the killer's brother's home. A serial killer wouldn't but a stone cold killer would care less.

The detective had a point because they found a witness that saw the killer and ID'd him. He would later change his mind when he realized who the killers were. The FEDS had no problem taking the case over and convicted him on a RICO.

To say that SG died by accident when you don't know the cause of death is absurd. Only an idiot could say that with so little information.

Trust me they make it up as they go along.

There was another guy named Johnson who was convicted when the ME could find no cause of death. He picked up a prostitute and said she died suddenly, probably from an OD or some such causes other than a homicide. He said that if it revealed he was with a prostitute it would cause him a lot of problems with his wife. That is why he buried the body. They found the body less than 2 months after the woman died. The ME was unable to find a cause of death. The cops knew better. Yeah, sure, they always seem to know better.

They make it up as they go along.

 

[deedee21]

10 dead bodies trumps someone being embarrassed.. I think if the cops ever did a complete investigation the details would make the people forget about the murders.....and the errrrrrrrrr, accidental drowning or whatever it was of SG......but, of course she wasn't murdered.

I think something is rotten in Oak Beach. Some see it as home and others see it as a hideaway off the beaten path.

 

[twocuriouscats]

The problem with Ocean Parkway is even if you are dumping a body and you don't see the headlights of a upcoming car the car could suddenly appear while you are taking a body out of a car and dumping it. That means your car is on the roadway when there is no reasonable reason for it to be there. What do you do then?

SCPD cars do not go there at night unless they have business there. NYSP or Park Police are sorely undermanned, especially in non summer months. Chances for a police car to be there is highly minimal. But would you still want to take the chance there is a car in the neighborhood that is passing by for some legitimate reason.

Do you think a civilian passing by in their car is going to take notice and write down your license plate?

A serial killer just doesn't dump people in the same location, with rare exceptions other than the killing happens at the location and the body is left at the scene of the murder.

IMHO, this is the work of a KILLER, not a Serial Killer. Killers usually don't care because they are killers and are arrogant to believe the cops won't care.

I told you in other posts how I came across the body of a OC guy dumped in the trunk of his car in my very residential neighborhood. All I needed to know from the detectives on the scene was where the body came from. Not the name and not the owner of the car. I pointed them to the probable house where the killer(s) went only a few blocks away.

A NCPD detective scoffed at my information. They were wrong.

RBBM

I've always thought that the GB4 were dumped by the same killer in that location (Gilgo) as a "trophy case", so he could "re-visit" it if you will - or just drive by and know he had his own "special" area...maybe he could see it from his house...
Why would a "regular killer" dump in one place (I would think they would bury their vics, not dump them), and why the burlap?
Just wanting you to share some insight! Tx!

 

[hawkshaw]

We can only guess who and why it was done this way. My gut instincts based only on experiences is a serial killer is paranoid by nature. Going back to put another body is just too much for this type of killer to do. I tried to explain to you what a real killer with no regard for the police could care less where he drops a body.

I just don't see a serial killer doing it this way. Hey, none other than serial killer Joel Rifkin said this wasn't the work of a serial killer. I would take his guess over mine.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

RBBM

I've always thought that the GB4 were dumped by the same killer in that location (Gilgo) as a "trophy case", so he could "re-visit" it if you will - or just drive by and know he had his own "special" area...maybe he could see it from his house...
Why would a "regular killer" dump in one place (I would think they would bury their vics, not dump them), and why the burlap?
Just wanting you to share some insight! Tx!

It's interesting to note that, in one call to Melissa's little sister, LISK stated that he was watching her sister rot. My personal feeling is that he got a sense of power from knowing these girls were right there under everyone's noses, but only HE could see them. Hence the burlap. It's camouflage...unless you knew where you were looking and what you were looking for.

In my mind, a serial killer is defined as someone who has killed 3 or more victims, picks victims at random, goes through a "cooling off" period, and meets some psychological need by killing his victims. So yes, in my opinion, LISK is a classic example of a serial killer.

JMO

 

[hawkshaw]

Ditto to PP#1, and #2 until you reach the last sentence.........we part ways after that.