nursebeeme
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Did the state show premeditation? Vote and discuss here:
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If you take away all the evidence such as the rental car, gas cans, hair dye, upside down licence plate, etc. there is still premeditated murder.
When Jodi shot or stabbed Travis the first time (whatever you believe to have come first) he was still alive. He made his way to the sink and then down the hall...all the way leaving a trial of blood spatter due to being attacked multiple times.
He was still alive for a minute. During that time before each stab of the knife Jodi formed the intent to murder Travis.
There is no way one can say this is not premeditated murder.
I think they did show premeditation. Why go to his house with a gun? She turned off her cellphone, she lied about it, never told anyone that she was going, asked for gas cans. I do think she went there with the intent to kill him if he didn't commit to her. She was mad that he wanted nothing more to do with her, and he was taking a pretty mormon girl to Cancun. She felt used and betrayed. In her eyes, he will pay for what he did.
Thanks so much for your insight. I'm just starting to learn the facts of this case. Another factor that struck me was the lack of power to the cellular phone during the only time window of her "vacation" = the time of the murder.
As for the other factors you mentioned, unfortunately, the law cannot inject premeditation into the minutes before each act of aggression (stabbing motion). In that event, Murder II wouldn't exist in most cases.
I'm curious as to the other great facts you mentioned. With the exception of renting a car, did all of the other actions occur after the fact? Do we know when the gas cans were purchased? I'm looking for more factors that tend to show "pre"meditation, rather than an after-the-fact covering up of the crime. People who commit crimes of passion or provocation (Murder 2) often cover up their crimes, so those facts won't necessarily make or break the State's burden of proving predesign or prior calculation/intent to murder.
Since the State has not requested the Court give instructions to the jury on lesser included's, Murder 2 isn't on the table. Scary, huh? If they believe she killed the guy out of rage or anger, she could walk, right? (ala Casey Anthony). Surprising that they didn't opt for that defense, actually. It presents better in this situation than the self defense claim.
Her ex-boyfriend of four years testified that she came to him the day before the murder and borrowed the gas cans.
There was a murder case where I live where the suspect was charged with first degree murder. He strangled and then drowned his girlfriend. It was shown that because the girl was drowned after being strangled that was done to make sure she was dead and therefore premeditation. It didn't matter what happened in the hours before the murder. What mattered was that moment in time where the intent was formed to kill.
She thought long and hard about killing Travis, that's a given. However, I'm unsure of "what" she is. A psychopath, a sociopath, spawn of the devil??? How did she carry on a 4 year relationship with another man and yet seemed "normal"? I don't get it. AND my worry is the Prosecution Overcharged her so Orlando may be headed to Mesa...
She thought long and hard about killing Travis, that's a given. However, I'm unsure of "what" she is. A psychopath, a sociopath, spawn of the devil??? How did she carry on a 4 year relationship with another man and yet seemed "normal"? I don't get it. AND my worry is the Prosecution Overcharged her so Orlando may be headed to Mesa...