Prior Vaginal Trauma

[Holdontoyourhat]

...moved from the linguistics thread:

Really? You still can't see it? When it's that obvious? OK, let me break it down:

This seems a bit harsh. OK I admit I can't see it even though its obvious.

JB was sexually assaulted and murdered in her own home. If she was assaulted before, by anyone, even once, "a little bit molested" (cue Nedra), the possibility exists and is even likely that her molester was up to more of the same on the night of her murder. Ergo, prior sexual abuse is certainly relevant if one is truly seeking her killer and not just in denial.

my bold

How do we go from 'If she was assaulted before' to 'is even likely'? Don't we have to get over the 'if' part first? It does seem to be a bit of a hump, what with no evidence of it. BPD looked for evidence but came up empty. Not unlike the handwriting fiasco.

 

[NancyA]

I notice that the level of snark in the JBR forum is diproportionately higher than in any other I have ever posted on in WS, and it is disheartening to say the least. I'm not sure why it is necessary to bash other posters and their opinions to further an agenda or to attempt to prove a point. Intelligent and articulate people should be able to civilly engage in discourse and debate on a subject without degenerating into snark and snide remarks. It's demeaning to the posters and makes the whole forum unpleasant. I think we can agree to disagree on pivotal issues without sinking to that level, and I for one am going to make a concerted effort to do so even if that means I have to ignore comments and posts from certain members. I challenge everyone to also rise above that level and bring civility back onto these threads.

As a newbie and lurker, I was a bit apprehensive of dipping my BA level snark toe into these doctorate league snark waters.

Disheartened though? Well, not so much, there is an impressively informed and informative degree of discourse here and, I may have misunderstood, I'm sort of under the impression that the normal WS rules have been relaxed (as they are somewhat in the private areas) out of consideration to the longevity of this particular forum and the longstanding prolificacy of some of the posters.

Some here have clearly spent many years intensively and extensively studying this case and have developed such strong feelings one way or another along the way, I can see it may be difficult for them to step back and take a more objective stance with regard to the speculative nature of any opinions thrown out there by less 'invested' participants.

 

[akashana]

...moved from the linguistics thread:



This seems a bit harsh. OK I admit I can't see it even though its obvious.



my bold

How do we go from 'If she was assaulted before' to 'is even likely'? Don't we have to get over the 'if' part first? It does seem to be a bit of a hump, what with no evidence of it. BPD looked for evidence but came up empty. Not unlike the handwriting fiasco.

I apologize for coming across harshly. It was unintentional, but yesterday I had been dealing with my teething grandson who cried for hours and I was a bit frazzled. But that's no reason to post in a harsh manner. Let me address it again in the light of a new day.

The hypothetical "if"was to establish a premise, akin to If A = B, then C must . . ." The events of Christmas 1996 included sexual assault and murder. BPD found no evidence of an intruder either. There was the unbroken cobweb in the window and no prints in the snow. Molestation does not always leave evidence behind, especially in cases of "soft" molestation where there is no ejaculation in or near the victim or penetration. I am not claiming that she definitely was molested in this way, but if someone within the Ramsey household was fondling her, there would be no physical evidence. Behavioral changes such as the bedwetting/soiling, etc. are another story, but that's for another thread. One possible scenario re that fateful night is the molester upped the ante with JB and she resisted. If she had been victimized only by fondling or petting before, and her abuser was already a loved one whom she trusted and desired to please, JB may have never attempted to resist any advances. But if the abuse did escalate that night, if the abuser was no longer ablle to contain his or her immoral passion and pushed JB farther than ever before, to the point where she was in pain and frightened and lashed out in defense, the lone child's scream in the night heard by a neighbor for instance, and the abuser, already past the point of no return could have done the unthinkable and crossed the line from abuse to murder. It probably wasn't intentional, maybe just an attempt at silencing her, but the damage was done and there was no turning back.

Please understand this is one possible scenario I present it to illustrate and explain why I posted what I did and how I came to suspect the Ramseys. I am not psychic and I am not close-minded and I do entertain the IDI possibility. I think it is less likely that IDI, but what really upsets me is the idea that we will never know what happened to little JB and no one will ever be brought to justice for this crime - IDI or RDI.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I go by BPD and their concerted efforts to produce evidence of prior abuse of any kind. There were no results, they were clean. On a scale of criminality, JR and PR have more in common with with Ozzie and Harriet. Not to be insulting but they're just not very abusive or criminal. On their own, I mean.

I'm sorry I don't go by forum posts, tabloids, hearsay, disgruntled houseworkers, or rumor. I'm not surprised that RDI does. Its their existence.

What does your post have to do with the major red flags that point to the sexual abuse of JonBenet? SOMEONE was molesting her imo. The question is WHO.

 

[DeeDee249]

6-year old girls do not menstruate. In view of that FACT-There was BLOOD in her vagina, BRUISING i her vagina, and she bled FROM the vagina enough to have evidence of that blood having been wiped away with a cloth (according to the coroner) detected at the autopsy.

SOMEONE put something in her vagina that night with enough force to cause some bleeding . This isn't conjecture. This is FACT. Whether you believe she was molested prior to that night or not, someone caused that little girl to bleed.

 

[KoldKase]

Okay, don't get your feelies hurt over this. I actually wrote it on topix.com, but I'm getting tired of rehashing it for the ten thousandth time, so just copying it here. Yeah, I'm grouchy, but I've earned it. I haven't posted here in a long time, so just take it as my opinion and not worth a thin dime.

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Anyone who makes the argument that the chronic vaginal inflammation and worn, fragment of a hymen found at the autopsy of six year old victim, who had a paintbrush shoved up her the night she was murdered and the crime scene staged afterward, is all just an innocent coincidence, clearly does not want to know the truth in this case.

Making that argument does a great disservice to sexual abuse victims, as well. Way to support pedophiles.

The sole reason anyone would deny the obvious here is because it inarguably shortens the suspect list, and stranger intruders are no longer on it.

If you're that determined to protect the Ramseys, then own it and quit pretending you want to see the killer and molester caught. Like Lou Smit, all you want is to believe the Ramseys couldn't have done it. And you have a few unimaginably tiny particles from a few cells to prove it...if only you could test everyone on the planet to find the match. Which you can't, lucky Ramseys; and if you could, you still wouldn't have a trial, because this case is FUBAR legally.

Unless you can explain how is the prosecutor going to explain beyond a reasonable doubt why Patsy wrote the note for that intruder?

Don't think a defense wouldn't walk all over the state's case with that little piece of evidence.

So you just keep hanging onto Santa/hitman/bootman/ninja/sadistic pedophile/anyone-but-a-Ramsey did it, and sweet dreams. No one is ever going to prove who didn't, because no one is ever going to prove who did in a courtroom.

But a child was still molested by someone she knew, then sexually assaulted and murdered in her own home on Christmas Night, 1996. I guess she's on her own getting justice for that. She had no one who could stand up against the money and power of the killer and molester, no one to speak for her or walk in her shoes. Not one. Least of all her own family, who beat down every one who tried.

She was just a little girl. Abandoned in her hour of greatest need.

 

[kwmred]

Thanks, Dave. You quote some really good statistics there, but let me say this: If it has ever happened to a child that you love, those statistics take on new meaning. It did happen to a child that I love very much. He was five years old and all the pervert that molested him had to tell him was that if he told, he would kill his mother. That might sound ridiculus to the adults who read here, but believe me, it's not ridiculus to a five year old. They are scared and permanently scarred and they keep their mouths shut out of fear. Please don't hand me socioeconomic bs. This family is not trailer trash, they are wealthy and well respected members of that community. This child finally told someone after his family brought him 500 miles away for a vacation. He told me because he trusted me to not let his mother get hurt. I'm sorry for the long post but this subject really gets to me in a big way. We always thought that something like this happened to other families. What a joke. If you really believe sexual abuse could not have happened to JonBenet because of who her family is, I don't know what would convince you. Maybe if the pervert ever grew a conscious
and confessed, but I seriously doubt a lot of people would even believe it then.

Thank God he had YOU!

 

[joeskidbeck]

Okay, don't get your feelies hurt over this. I actually wrote it on topix.com, but I'm getting tired of rehashing it for the ten thousandth time, so just copying it here. Yeah, I'm grouchy, but I've earned it. I haven't posted here in a long time, so just take it as my opinion and not worth a thin dime.

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Anyone who makes the argument that the chronic vaginal inflammation and worn, fragment of a hymen found at the autopsy of six year old victim, who had a paintbrush shoved up her the night she was murdered and the crime scene staged afterward, is all just an innocent coincidence, clearly does not want to know the truth in this case.

Making that argument does a great disservice to sexual abuse victims, as well. Way to support pedophiles.

The sole reason anyone would deny the obvious here is because it inarguably shortens the suspect list, and stranger intruders are no longer on it.

If you're that determined to protect the Ramseys, then own it and quit pretending you want to see the killer and molester caught. Like Lou Smit, all you want is to believe the Ramseys couldn't have done it. And you have a few unimaginably tiny particles from a few cells to prove it...if only you could test everyone on the planet to find the match. Which you can't, lucky Ramseys; and if you could, you still wouldn't have a trial, because this case is FUBAR legally.

Unless you can explain how is the prosecutor going to explain beyond a reasonable doubt why Patsy wrote the note for that intruder?

Don't think a defense wouldn't walk all over the state's case with that little piece of evidence.

So you just keep hanging onto Santa/hitman/bootman/ninja/sadistic pedophile/anyone-but-a-Ramsey did it, and sweet dreams. No one is ever going to prove who didn't, because no one is ever going to prove who did in a courtroom.

But a child was still molested by someone she knew, then sexually assaulted and murdered in her own home on Christmas Night, 1996. I guess she's on her own getting justice for that. She had no one who could stand up against the money and power of the killer and molester, no one to speak for her or walk in her shoes. Not one. Least of all her own family, who beat down every one who tried.

She was just a little girl. Abandoned in her hour of greatest need.

Thank you. This is one of those posts where the thanks button just isn't enough. It's so sad that there are more people here on Websleuths who care more about "that child" than in her own family. KoldKase, you know why I used those quotation marks above. When I hear those two talk of their precious daughter as "that child" it truly makes me ill. God help the both of them. They will surely need it one day.

 

[RiverRat]

I believe that any unsolved murder necessitates a complete, comprehensive, and unbiased investigation into the victim's background.

If prior sexual abuse was simply claimed or alleged, it should not unduly turn the direction of the investigation. Whoever was making the claim or allegation would be having too much influence on the course of a murder investigation.

Its easy to show that the investigation itself was not unbiased but instead strongly biased against the parents. The damage has been done.

Seriously?! You really believe that the investigation just sat there for FOUR MONTHS waiting for John and Patsy to finally sit down and talk about the night their daughter was murdered? Please don't insult the intelligence of others just because you choose to believe the word of Proven Liars! There WAS a complete, comprehensive and unbiased investigation going on with all that had even the tiniest association with JonBenet, I know that you remember that the investigators traveled to North Carolina to work a "lead." By the time the Ramseys spoke four months later, the investigation was able to eliminate person after person after person until only 2 remained under The Umbrella of Suspicion. You want to Enable their behavior and be just as cocky about a child's murder - this is good for people to know...

The only damage done was to JonBenet Ramsey and her Parents are the ONLY people that distanced themselves from the investigation, only giving what little they had to to stay out of jail...all with help from the prosecutors...the ones that gave the Rams ALL of the information collected at that point, so I guess they were not surprised that practically every answer from them when they couldn't delay their interviews any longer was an "I don't know." :snooty:

JFJBR -
RR

 

[joeskidbeck]

Seriously?! You really believe that the investigation just sat there for FOUR MONTHS waiting for John and Patsy to finally sit down and talk about the night their daughter was murdered? Please don't insult the intelligence of others just because you choose to believe the word of Proven Liars! There WAS a complete, comprehensive and unbiased investigation going on with all that had even the tiniest association with JonBenet, I know that you remember that the investigators traveled to North Carolina to work a "lead." By the time the Ramseys spoke four months later, the investigation was able to eliminate person after person after person until only 2 remained under The Umbrella of Suspicion. You want to Enable their behavior and be just as cocky about a child's murder - this is good for people to know...

The only damage done was to JonBenet Ramsey and her Parents are the ONLY people that distanced themselves from the investigation, only giving what little they had to to stay out of jail...all with help from the prosecutors...the ones that gave the Rams ALL of the information collected at that point, so I guess they were not surprised that practically every answer from them when they couldn't delay their interviews any longer was an "I don't know." :snooty:

JFJBR -
RR

There really are people who believe that no one was seriously investigated but the Ramseys. When I first started to hear about this crime, the parents were not even mentioned as being suspected. Until I started reading everything I could about it, I did not believe they were involved at all. When all of the evidence started to leak to the press I realized there was no way someone broke into this home and did these things. I know there will never be a confession so there will be no justice for JonBenet in this life. But I have hope for it in the next. Money can't buy anything or anyone in that one.

 

[RiverRat]

There really are people who believe that no one was seriously investigated but the Ramseys. When I first started to hear about this crime, the parents were not even mentioned as being suspected. Until I started reading everything I could about it, I did not believe they were involved at all. When all of the evidence started to leak to the press I realized there was no way someone broke into this home and did these things. I know there will never be a confession so there will be no justice for JonBenet in this life. But I have hope for it in the next. Money can't buy anything or anyone in that one.

There is more than one reason why there are a few Ramsey supporters - even though they know this is a RDI case...are you aware that defense attorneys hire people to post on these forums?! How LOW is that?! Their mission is to muddy the water and hysterically try to twist the facts...the same facts that posters/people like yourself did not know until you did the research because you cared about JonBenet and not your wallet - and for that - I Thank You! We are coming up on 14 years now and reading a post like this one from you truly makes my time invested worth every second!

JFJBR -
RR

 

[madeleine]

I know there will never be a confession so there will be no justice for JonBenet in this life.

Depends.
Maybe that's what LE's doing right now.Attack the kid in order to get the parent.Cruel but smart move if so.

 

[UKGuy]

Child murder is whats important in this case, whereas previous sexual abuse is not relevant.

JBR's physical state according to the coroner and photos that are interpreted only by some to possibly indicate prior injury that could be caused by sexual abuse possibly on a chronic scale by someone who could be a family member and who could have been involved in the murder. The case against the parents for previously abusing their child is nonexistent.

The repeated references to previous chronic sexual abuse as if it were a known fact, is nothing short of aburd. Worse is the fact that it publicly fosters and promotes a lynch-mob atmosphere because the fiction is far outrunning the available facts.

JBR was never molested by anyone previously, and prior injuries were not reported on the autopsy. Its a non-issue except by devout RDI believers desparately conjuring up motive material, whatever will stick to the wall when thrown. Don't take my word for it, post a link to a valid news outlet where previous chronic sexual abuse is discussed as if its a known like the unknown male DNA all over JBR's underwear is a known.

Holdontoyourhat,

Still misleading people Holdontoyourhat. Let me correct you : its not DNA its touch-dna.

For your delectation, since I know how much you will appreciate digesting some real evidence as distinct from the unmatched and unidentified touch-dna.


http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she witnessed the autopsy of JonBenet Ramsey which was conducted by Dr. John Meyer on December 26, 1996. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury consistent with digital penetration of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that is was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact.

Also:-

Det. Arndt informed Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer stated to her that he observed red stains in the crotch area of the panties that the child was wearing at the time that the child's body was subjected to the external visual examination. Dr. Meyer stated to Det. Arndt that the red stain appeared to be consistent with blood. Det. Arndt further informed Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer stated to her that after examining the panties (as described above), he observed the exterior pubic area of the child's body located next to the areas of the panties containing the red stains and found no visible reddish stains in the area. Dr. Meyer stated to Det. Arndt that his opinion is that the evidence observed is consistent with the child's public area having been wiped by a cloth.

So someone wiped JonBenet down after her death, and potentially after the size-12's were placed on her, so why would anyone want to do that, whats to hide?

Dr. Ronald Wright opined:-

BOULDER -- JonBenet Ramsey was sexually assaulted, suffered a tremendous blow to the head and was strangled as much as an hour later, a respected forensic pathologist said Tuesday.
Dr. Ronald Wright, director of the forensic pathology department at the University of Miami School of Medicine, reviewed JonBenet's autopsy report Tuesday at the request of the Rocky Mountain News.
''She's been sexually assaulted,'' said Wright, who served as the medical examiner in Broward County, Fla., 13 years.
"She's had vaginal penetration.''
Wright -- who has done consulting for the FBI and worked on the Elvis Presley autopsy -- joined a growing chorus of out-of-town experts who see sexual assault as part of the unsolved Christmas night murder.

JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 24. states:-

In mid-September, a panel pediatric experts from around the country reached one of the major conclusions of the investigation - that JonBenet had suffered vaiginal trauma prior to the day she was killed

And JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 32. states:-

Detective Harmer presented a surprising anatomy lesson on vaginas to a meeting attended primarly for men. She showed a picture of the vagina of a normal healthy six-year-old girl and contrasted it with a photo of the vagina of jonBenet. Even to the uninformed the visual difference was apparent, and Harmer cited the experts who said there was evidence of chronic sexual abuse although the detectives referred to it only as 'prior vaginal trauma.'

So we have digital penetration which need not be the same as sexual contact. We have JonBenet being wiped down, and numerous experts who viewed the same photographs citing chronic sexual abuse.

All this evidence suggests that this is a sexually motivated homicide. For you to state:

JBR was never molested by anyone previously, and prior injuries were not reported on the autopsy.

is not something that you can know, you have not seen the photographs, or the evidence recovered from the house search at Charlevoix, Mich. The documents associated with those searches have been sealed indefinitely.

JonBenet's photographs make it evident that not all her injuries were acute e.g. simply sustained at around the time of her death. Regardless of whomever inflicted them JonBenet's abnormal vagina is direct evidence of chronic sexual abuse

This is why JonBenet's murder was staged and re-staged, to hide the prior molestation, this is the kernel of the case. Prime suspects are those with closest contact to JonBenet, for me these are the parents and grand-parents. Careful study of the evidence suggests the possibility of collusion between family members, all with only one objective in mind, silence on the subject of prior molestation, despite JonBenet being trained and groomed for the pageant circuit!


.

 

[joeskidbeck]

There is more than one reason why there are a few Ramsey supporters - even though they know this is a RDI case...are you aware that defense attorneys hire people to post on these forums?! How LOW is that?! Their mission is to muddy the water and hysterically try to twist the facts...the same facts that posters/people like yourself did not know until you did the research because you cared about JonBenet and not your wallet - and for that - I Thank You! We are coming up on 14 years now and reading a post like this one from you truly makes my time invested worth every second!

JFJBR -
RR

Thank you, RR. You just answered some mighty big questions for me. And here I was thinking some people just couldn't see the forrest for the trees.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,

Still misleading people Holdontoyourhat. Let me correct you : its not DNA its touch-dna.

For your delectation, since I know how much you will appreciate digesting some real evidence as distinct from the unmatched and unidentified touch-dna.


http://www.acandyrose.com/01301997warrant.htm


Also:-

So someone wiped JonBenet down after her death, and potentially after the size-12's were placed on her, so why would anyone want to do that, whats to hide?

Dr. Ronald Wright opined:-


JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 24. states:-


And JonBenet Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation Chapt. 32. states:-


So we have digital penetration which need not be the same as sexual contact. We have JonBenet being wiped down, and numerous experts who viewed the same photographs citing chronic sexual abuse.

All this evidence suggests that this is a sexually motivated homicide. For you to state: is not something that you can know, you have not seen the photographs, or the evidence recovered from the house search at Charlevoix, Mich. The documents associated with those searches have been sealed indefinitely.

JonBenet's photographs make it evident that not all her injuries were acute e.g. simply sustained at around the time of her death. Regardless of whomever inflicted them JonBenet's abnormal vagina is direct evidence of chronic sexual abuse

This is why JonBenet's murder was staged and re-staged, to hide the prior molestation, this is the kernel of the case. Prime suspects are those with closest contact to JonBenet, for me these are the parents and grand-parents. Careful study of the evidence suggests the possibility of collusion between family members, all with only one objective in mind, silence on the subject of prior molestation, despite JonBenet being trained and groomed for the pageant circuit!


.

But why isn't anyone beating your drum? When I check the news its all about intruder DNA.

Sorry.

 

[UKGuy]

But why isn't anyone beating your drum? When I check the news its all about intruder DNA.

Sorry.

Holdontoyourhat,

Just as your unmatched and unidentified touch-dna would be inadmissable in a court of law, so similarly for news reports.

Maybe you are like those who gloss over theodicy, citing only the mother theresa events in the world e.g. the only news articles you seem to read are those involving intruder DNA and patently not those involving random touch-dna or autopsy contamination touch-dna?

The evidence I cited exists. There is zero evidence to link or match any intruder to the crime-scene.

By your own admission its obvious that your IDI is vacuous and only exists in newspaper articles probaby paid for and promoted by IDI adherents!

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[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,

Just as your unmatched and unidentified touch-dna would be inadmissable in a court of law, so similarly for news reports.

Maybe you are like those who gloss over theodicy, citing only the mother theresa events in the world e.g. the only news articles you seem to read are those involving intruder DNA and patently not those involving random touch-dna or autopsy contamination touch-dna?

The evidence I cited exists. There is zero evidence to link or match any intruder to the crime-scene.

By your own admission its obvious that your IDI is vacuous and only exists in newspaper articles probaby paid for and promoted by IDI adherents!

.

The information you cited and claimed to be evidence is in fact a mix of evidence and speculation. An interpretation of a physical state that is subject to being wrong. There is not one and only one cause for the physical state that JBR was in, and the description of the physical state JBR was in is too subjective for the police to say in matter-of-fact terms that JBR was previously chronically sexually abused.

Nice rant though.

 

[Tricia]

Hi All.

I am out of town this weekend so am not able to be on the board as much as I like. Since I am the moderator for this board and I have been in the air all day some of the more snarky posts have been left up that normally would be removed.

Please, just be nice everyone. I am so glad to see my FFJ friends here and doing a great job as well as my Websleuths friends.

It is frustrating when you feel posters are not seeing what is obvious to you (and me) just remember to attack the post and not the poster.

Found out I may have made a mistake in my interview. I need to correct it if I did so I will check back with you later tonight.

Love,
Tricia

 

[RiverRat]

But why isn't anyone beating your drum? When I check the news its all about intruder DNA.

Sorry.

Looking around here - Nobody is Beating Your drum...but if you seriously want to be Beat...I'll call your 5 B's and Raise You EIGHT Q's! :dance:

 

[KoldKase]

But why isn't anyone beating your drum? When I check the news its all about intruder DNA.

Sorry.

Oh, gosh, when did you get back from Planet Uranus? Hope you had a nice trip! :beamup::earth:

Let's see what happened while you were gone....

Mary Lacy took over the case and buddied up with Team Ramsey like she was a number one fan! She was so faithful to their intruder cause, she took the case away from the BPD, with the help of Ramsey attorney Lin Wood's threats to sue the BPD and Boulder. Then she proceeded to arrest an old queen living in Thailand whom Tracey had been grooming for four years, with the help of Intruder Lou. That didn't work out so well once she got over patting herself on the back, because some pesky defense lawyer hired by the court--can you imagine?--pointed out to her she had NADA to kidnap PERV Karr and drag him across the planet except sick fantasies (Karr's and Lacy's) that weren't even consistent with the evidence. Back to square one creating an intruder.

Did I mention Lin Wood turned over to Lacy a package of size 12 Bloomies five years after the murder, which the Ramseys suddenly claimed they had all along?! Someone on Team Ramsey found them in a packing box when they were looking for their clothes to turn over to LE back in 1997--they said, heh. They decided to keep the Bloomies, until someone trustworthy who would actually try to find an intruder showed up. Voila! Lacy got the case in her busy, busy hands. Not that chain of custody would permit the Bloomies to be much use in a trial, but hey, five years later isn't so long to turn over crucial case evidence in your daughter's murder, is it? Nah, big deal. It's not like there's a rush or anything.

So what else, what else.... Oh! Lin Wood sued anyone and everyone on behalf of the Ramseys who had money and said the Ramseys looked suspicious, guilty, or who had that opinion in a book, in public, or even in the investigation--hence the BPD was threatened. That shut up the pesky questions about the Ramsey's behavior and the mountain of evidence leading to none other than them. And that's why all you hear now in the press is how the Ramseys are saints, the best parents who ever lived, victims of some awful intruder who came, molested, came back, molested and murdered, and wrote a 2.5 page ransom note in Patsy's hand and linguistic style, left a few strands of DNA behind, and then poof! Gone forever.

But lucky Ramseys, with Smit and Tracey and Hunter and Lacy spinning out tales of an intruder as fast as their propaganda could air, Lacy also managed to get a sophisticated lab to test for DNA strands in only specified places on the longjohns, throwing out other DNA found during the testing, and then proclaim to the public how they'd matched the panty and fingernail DNA to it in an open murder investigation! Never mind that the fingernail DNA was only 1 to 3 markers; hey, it plays! Never mind that Bode Technology is not in the "BUSSINESS" of declaring the owner of a DNA profile is a killer, because those little details were NOT important! THE MIRACLE HAD BEEN FABRICATED! THE INTRUDER KILLER HAD BEEN FOUND!

So with all the TV airplay and thousands of media reports, much as when PERV Karr was paraded around like a trained child molester, the Ramseys were announced by Lacy to be innocent and given an "official" letter saying as much! (The "tears" in Lacy's eyes as she declared John Ramsey innocent were actually mentioned in the news articles!) It was as if Lacy were the judge, jury, and Grand Pooh-Bah of the case herself! Hurrah! Then John and Patsy were sainted by the Pope! :woohoo:

Okay I made up the Pope stuff, but otherwise, I didn't even exaggerate a little.

So yeah, the media, given the realistic POV their producers and lawyers presented to them, drank the Kool-Aid: either accept that two DAs in Boulder have worked as defense attorneys for the Ramseys de facto and finally flat out "exonerated" them like that was the DA's job--no clue about who that pesky intruder might be, but who cares, it's not important 10 years later--or face Lin Wood in a deposition before you hit the unemployment line.

"They're innocent! The intruder has been identified! Just no name, face, hair, semen, blood, age, ethnicity, address, link to the Ramseys, arrest, indictment, or heck, even nationality! He could be ANYONE! JUST NOT THE RAMSEYS!! YEAH!!

So...now you know. Don't thank me for catching you up, just send me some photos of the solar system up close and personal. Who knows? Maybe you got a candid shot of the intruder while you were out there! :borgsmile::alien::elfroll::chicken: