Prosecutor Juan Martinez releases new book, February 2016 - #2

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I absolutely agree he didn't investigate very far. It was his choice and strategy not to and I applaud and respect his decision.

Reading his book, I sensed that the one extra gas can was the most damning piece of evidence to him to prove premeditation. He did all the calculations proving JA needed the extra can for her murder trip, but he didn't even need to expound on it. Instead he chose to induce JA to lie. A lie he can definitely prove with Chelsea Young's testimony. What a splendid strategy and sweet victory that was!

Re June 4th, I conclude it is impossible to figure out what exactly happened on that day without more information. ie, I would love it if Dworkin could re-examine T's memory card and tell us his opinion. I believe he is well trained in the area of electronic forensics.

Listening to various interviews, I heard at least a couple times when asked about details, JM said- Well, we can ask JA what happened, but can we believe her?

I think JM is not interested in digging into fine details like we are here because to him, what he presented in the courtroom was more than enough to convict JA.


I agree. And his focus/interest is supported by what he chose to write about...the conviction, and not much beyond.

His dissection of the evidence in his book supports this as well. He reads from Washington's notes (oh to see them all), and says things like...that was interesting, but not relevant in terms of premeditation, moving right along.

He investigated enough and presented enough in trial one to be able to demonstrate several of her "accidental" texts were never sent to those fictitious recipients, just to Travis. That was enough to prove his point that she went out of her way to make Travis jealous.

He also remarks that the texts/ghat were problematic, that they had the potential to make the jury feel sympathy for the . To present more than he did of the electronic record he would have had to spin a far more convoluted narrative than he did about both TA and the , and there was no advantage for him in doing so.

He is quite explicit about his strategic reasons for not focusing more on Travis as good guy victim (which would have brought in more of her manipulations of him). It didn't matter in terms of proving what he had to prove.
 
But wasn't there some pics that were not used in the trial? Not saying they were "nudes", but IIRC, more pics were retrieved.


90 other photos on the memory stick, all taken before June 4, and all of them so not worth taking note of (in terms of June 4) that Detective M said on the stand he couldn't remember anything about any of them.
 
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Caylee

Do you know those weird drawings where if you look at it one way it's a drunken sailor, but if you look at it another way it's a beautiful woman?

That's what happens to me when I see your avatar; I know it's a cute little puppy, but I keep seeing a duck-billed platypus! hahaha

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BTW, Hope's new avatar throws me off, too... Is it a gnome driving a little car? lol
 
90 other photos on the memory stick, all taken before June 4, and all of them so not worth taking note of (in terms of June 4) that Detective M said on the stand he couldn't remember anything about any of them.

JVM had one in her book
Matches with Taylor's May 26th text to Travis
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We do not know for certain there was no video. She has claimed it was taken on his camera. Then later she claimed it was taken, viewed then deleted on her Olympus.
Melendez says video files are almost impossible to recover once deleted because they take up so much space
The time/date was not available on two sex pics was because it was overridden by the shower and accidental pics per Melendez.


You're right. We do not know for certain no video was taken, just as we do not know for certain anything else that came before the actual murder, and even on that point folks don't all agree the gunshot came last.

Sorry if I've gotten lazy about adding those "IMO's" after all my points. Kinda figure everyone here knows by now that it's all IMO and 2 days later I'll have considered or reconsidered something else or something posted here and changed my opinion yet again. ;)
 
JVM had one in her book
Matches with Taylor's May 26th text to Travis
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Hers is the only book I haven't bought... I hate her focus on the sex sex sex.

But......does she say explicitly that the photo is from the memory stick on TA's new camera ? How would she have access to that evidence, since it was never introduced?
 
You're right. We do not know for certain no video was taken, just as we do not know for certain anything else that came before the actual murder, and even on that point folks don't all agree the gunshot came last.

Sorry if I've gotten lazy about adding those "IMO's" after all my points. Kinda figure everyone here knows by now that it's all IMO and 2 days later I'll have considered or reconsidered something else or something posted here and changed my opinion yet again. ;)


Well whatever sex took place it happened between mid May when he bought the camera to June 4th so that narrows the date down. Seeing as how the metadata was recovered and was June 4th 2008 then the sex happens prior to the shower pics of the same day JMO
 
Hers is the only book I haven't bought... I hate her focus on the sex sex sex.

But......does she say explicitly that the photo is from the memory stick on TA's new camera ? How would she have access to that evidence, since it was never introduced?


Travis must have sent Taylor the pic IIRC. The camera was very new. Travis keeps leaving the charger places in Mid May (text to Sky and someone else who I forgot) The memory stick was not interchangeable with Jodi's Canon or her Olympus.
 
But wasn't there some pics that were not used in the trial? Not saying they were "nudes", but IIRC, more pics were retrieved.
I read here(??) a long time ago that there were more sex photos that were extremely graphic in nature so all parties involved decided to preclude. That poster even provided a link to the hearing document discussing this matter.
I think there are more sex photos, even more graphic than the ones we know.
 
Well whatever sex took place it happened between mid May when he bought the camera to June 4th so that narrows the date down. Seeing as how the metadata was recovered and was June 4th 2008 then the sex happens prior to the shower pics of the same day JMO


TexMex...I am solidly in the camp of no longer discussing if and when sex that day.

For me the question is resolved to my satisfaction, one of the few of the remaining questions I can lay all the way to rest for myself.

The timeline from 4:30AM until 5:20 is still wide open, IMO, in terms of what happened when and why. I include the pics in that because there is zero evidence his camera was set to the correct TIME that day, and definite clues it might not have been.
 
I read here(??) a long time ago that there were more sex photos that were extremely graphic in nature so all parties involved decided to preclude. That poster even provided a link to the hearing document discussing this matter.
I think there are more sex photos, even more graphic than the ones we know.

In Flores report he wrote of 8 bedroom pics. Only six were introduced in court though
 
TexMex...I am solidly in the camp of no longer discussing if and when sex that day.

For me the question is resolved to my satisfaction, one of the few of the remaining questions I can lay all the way to rest for myself.

The timeline from 4:30AM until 5:20 is still wide open, IMO, in terms of what happened when and why. I include the pics in that because there is zero evidence his camera was set to the correct TIME that day, and definite clues it might not have been.

What clue?
 
In Flores report he wrote of 8 bedroom pics. Only six were introduced in court though


I vaguely remember a stipulation about other photos, but who knows what they were of--

* having a difficult time thinking they were more graphic than was presented, especially since JM swatted down JA saying she told Samuels one existed of actual intercourse. (Oh, I guess that must have been from the video and Samuels got it wrong).

* Unless I' m misremembering Detective M's testimony, he said there were only 6 sex photos taken on June 4.
 
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Caylee

Do you know those weird drawings where if you look at it one way it's a drunken sailor, but if you look at it another way it's a beautiful woman?

That's what happens to me when I see your avatar; I know it's a cute little puppy, but I keep seeing a duck-billed platypus! hahaha

View attachment 89903

BTW, Hope's new avatar throws me off, too... Is it a gnome driving a little car? lol

I actually miss Hope's laptop destroying-terrorist cat avatar. LOL
 
Travis must have sent Taylor the pic IIRC. The camera was very new. Travis keeps leaving the charger places in Mid May (text to Sky and someone else who I forgot) The memory stick was not interchangeable with Jodi's Canon or her Olympus.


Yes, that is true, from what I understand, anyway, that the memory sticks are not interchangeable.

The tech stuff about cameras has always flown right over my head. What is demonstrably true, as far as I can wrap my brain around it, is that she knew well ahead of time exactly what kind of camera he'd bought, that it is possible to transfer pics from one memory stick to another, that she brought her laptop with her, that there was a USB cord in TA's office, and that MM knew a great deal about computer graphics.

Es toto.
 
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Caylee

Do you know those weird drawings where if you look at it one way it's a drunken sailor, but if you look at it another way it's a beautiful woman?

That's what happens to me when I see your avatar; I know it's a cute little puppy, but I keep seeing a duck-billed platypus! hahaha

View attachment 89903

BTW, Hope's new avatar throws me off, too... Is it a gnome driving a little car? lol



LOL. Yep, it's a wind-up toy, duck with twirly on head, steering his way through that last snowfall here. An editorial comment of sorts about ...enough already with the snow. ;)

Pocket.. ..that cat avatar freaked others out, apparently, which folks were kind enough not to say until I retired it.
 
Well, I have the beer just not the crawfish... I'll deep fry some shrimp and pretend I guess. Yummy!!


I've headed straight for the rum as of an hour ago. Thinking about the , my son needing help every 10 minutes on his science fair project due tomorrow, my DH giving me dirty looks about taking 2 days off from politics, and 5 cats coming way too close to my replacement laptop has all driven me to drink. Cheers. :D
 

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