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notthatsmart said:
Yes I agree and thank you for reading my post and remembering what I have said. I agree that there were others. Many others that are just as important as Tes. A witness is a witness, does not have to be affiliated with Tes to be some form of an official. I have thought that it is possible that the school does have video camera's, but I talked to a person on another forum that takes her kids to school there and she says there are no camera's. So, I may be wrong about that. I did note that even on the google map it shows busses on suburban, and I am almost sure they would have video's on the buses.

At our school, homeland security act paid for all our camera's and equiptment. this ties into the topic, because this could also be the new information, however if the mods want me to remove this post, I will.

Yes I saw those body finders on NG or one of the shows. Do you remember when they were there? I find it very interesting. I would like to see that video again to see if they were spot on and to see what month that video was taken in. Moo
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2 BBM
School cameras or not, the remains were not found on school property.
Also, schools here were already on summer break. No buses.
My kids school here in CFL got security camera's at the beginning of this school year.
 
notthatsmart said:
Yes I agree and thank you for reading my post and remembering what I have said. I agree that there were others. Many others that are just as important as Tes. A witness is a witness, does not have to be affiliated with Tes to be some form of an official. I have thought that it is possible that the school does have video camera's, but I talked to a person on another forum that takes her kids to school there and she says there are no camera's. So, I may be wrong about that. I did note that even on the google map it shows busses on suburban, and I am almost sure they would have video's on the buses.

At our school, homeland security act paid for all our camera's and equiptment. this ties into the topic, because this could also be the new information, however if the mods want me to remove this post, I will.

Yes I saw those body finders on NG or one of the shows. Do you remember when they were there? I find it very interesting. I would like to see that video again to see if they were spot on and to see what month that video was taken in. Moo
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Here is the link.... Don't know when they were there, but there is lot of vegitation and over-growth....maybe late Jul '08 or Aug '09, don't know.

http://.com/blinddrive/
 
The World According said:
I agree with you! Mr. Nejame will make short order of this, I am trying to be nice and not say mop the floor with this, LOL!

If you watch the hearing over again a few things stand out
1. Mr. Nejame stated , a personal and professional courtesy to his former clients Mr. and Mrs. Anthony, Brad was allowed to review all of the TES documents. He reviewed them for days and he found even less than 32 people to have been in that exact area.

2. Mr. Nejame said the defense is welcome to come to his office and review the documents. Andrea agreed that of course the defense would be responsible for some reasonable fees regarding this. IF the defense were to find other searchers of interest it was agreed the matter would be taken to the judge and the judge would rule.

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Now, what has happened since then? Has the defense went to review the documents? If not, I pity them in front of the judge next hearing.

One of the two folks they were relying on to testify for them , Mr. Jordon ,was so very concerned about what was going on that he made a decision to tape record the last questioning of him done by the defense lawyer and or investigator. HE TOOK THAT TAPE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. Many inferences can be drawn from that, the least of which is they made him uncomfortable, the worst of which is he worried something unethical/illegal was going on.

The other witness says clearly on her affidavit that she went on her own, outside of the knowledge of TES.

Have you ever heard that when one person writes a letter to complain to a company that they represent so very many others who are unhappy too but did not sit down to write? Perhaps Mr. Jordon was not the only person to contact LE about the defense and concerns with their methods.

In any event, both of these witnesses make the defense motion a mess. If you are going to accuse someone of lying to a judge or being inaccurate, you should have your facts straight and be sure what the witnesses have to say do not work against your very argument. Especially if the person you are accusing is of the caliber of Mr. Nejame (this aint his first rodeo). The defense better pick lesser people than Mr. Miller, who is regarded as modern day hero, to claim to have been dishonest, or the jury is going to despise them from jump.
It is odd, they should be careful what they wish for. They want Mr. Miller as a witness....then they haven't thought that through. He is going to be very credible to the jury and he is going to say two things that are going to sink Casey.
A.) Upon his arrival in the Anthony home, George's long time friend, Jim, told him that there really is no need for a search...George says he knows all of the answers are right down there in that room an she (Casey) is not talking. Translation... the baby is dead. Then Cindy started in with I am so glad you are here Tim, to look for a live Caylee...and so things went awry when he began the search for a body.
B.) He says the hardest decision, and the smartest decision, he ever made was to call off the search when the water was so deep they lost one of their search vehicles in it. He was concerned that in the mud, someone could accidentally push her little tiny bones down further and we would never have found them.
He says out of over 900 searches he has done since forming TES, he has never had a worse experience , been treated more poorly by the family and he wishes that mom and pop could have been on the other end of the phone call when other families that did want and need his help were having to be put off because they were not available, they were there in Florida having Cindy yell at them for not chasing down ridiculous made up leads in other states, etc. ( I am paraphrasing ).

If I were the defense the last person, besides Casey, of course, I would want on the stand is Tim.
Just for kicks, lets play...

Here we are at the trial...
Mr. Miller.... the state will ask, tell us.... what is Texas Equusearch ?
A. My daughter was missing and later found to have been murdered and since that time , my wife, my family, my lifelong friends and I have devoted our entire lives to help look for missing children.
Q. How, sir, did you come to be involved in the CA case, was it for publicity? The defense may try to disparage him.
A. I received a call from Cindy , she requested I come. My non profit organization of all volunteers came from all over the US to help in the search for her granddaughter. We went in debt over forty thousand dollars trying to help, there were over four thousand good, good people that came from every walk of life, from near and far to search.

The prosecution will ask him about the Anthony family. His answers are going to be
he was treated horribly, basically spit on, sent away,uninvited to the memorial, threatened...it was in his words the worst experience in his entire time out of nearly a thousand searches. Perhaps they will play the tape of Cindy's vile voice mail to him. (In my opinion she was threatening him, it will be a far cry from the demure sad Grandma the jury is watching sob into a kerchief, she is live and unplugged like in the ZFG depo.)
Q. What was the purpose in searching sir?
A.To find the baby so she may have a Christian burial and the family may have some closure.
Q. So, if a searcher were to have found the body, what is the likelihood they would report it?
A. 100 percent.
Q. You do not know them all personally, but using your best educated guess, what is the likelihood they would falsify the documents or lie to you to hinder getting to the truth?
A. Based on my years of experience, the kind of folks that come out, spray on bug spray, wade through muck and mire and garbage dumps and ponds and woods for hours on end in the hot sun are doing so for all the right reasons. based on that and my faith, I would estimate that to be zero.

Of course I am just making an example, the answers wont be allowed to be as I have described, but you get the idea. Once again, this was not well thought out.....if their approach is to offer up easily discredited witnesses,like JK, harass witnesses so that even they go to the police to report it, and instead try to disparage Mr. Miller and Mr. Nejame......I feel bad for the interns. I suggest they regroup.

In this entire matter, since Mr. Nejame began representing TES, I have found him to be very sound and clear, an expert on the laws in Florida. Time and time again the defense has filed motions that he has ...well, I cannot help it...mopped the floor with.

Regarding Dominic....Baez drew attention to him having something of value to say when he asked for a special master regarding Dom and protested LE interviewing him. Red flag. I do think we will see a different lawyer on this case by the time it goes to trial.
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Thanks for a great post TWA
I agree with your above statements regarding Mr NeJame..:)
 
The World According said:
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Thank you so much for the video. The young lady taking the dog out clearly states that she cannot go further because at the slope it is all WATER! Just as Mr. Miller and LE said, water!
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This vid will be a great piece of evidence at trial :dance: :woohoo:
 
Since we are talking about possible video cameras at the dump site around the school, wasn't there a camera at the traffic light a few feet away from the actual dump site? Or was this camera installed after the body was found?
 
A_News_Junkie said:
AZ or one of our Legal Eagles:
From the motion: "Certain materials and information have come into the possession of Law Enforcement"
-----------> What is the legal meaning of the word "materials" in this usage? IE: it seems it means something tangible vs material facts, etc. So, if it does, then something like the missing diary pages, maybe kid finders folks found the roll of duct tape used to hang the flyers, but it seems to me it is tangible.

Second: From FRCP: 8(i) www.scribd.com/doc/4844375/FL-Rules-of-Crim-Pro
page 87-88 (thanks Cecybeans for the link!) -- Could it be that the reason the state has requested the meeting without defense there is they have come into possession of say a letter, or "material" showing that the defense has asked or instructed say DC or someone not to talk to prosecutors or "showing opposing counsel any relevant material"??????

Also of note, is the use of the word: "NEW"

Back to reading the rules of criminal procedure! (sure wish the increase size button worked :-(( )
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I don't think "materials" really has a legal meaning. If I used that word in a motion, I would mean something tangible, but other people might use it differently.

This could definitely relate to something that would implicate a member of the defense team and/or the family. Or something that doesn't implicate the family, but the State is nevertheless worried that the family will alter/destroy evidence, tamper with witnesses, etc. if the family knows of the nature of the investigation before it is complete.

TotallyObsessed said:
IIRC, I think JB, if he had knowledge of where the body was located, would be bound to at least go to the judge and recuse himself from defending the client. That's why most defense lawyers don't ask and don't want to know if their client "did it".
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Nope, believe it or not he could just sit on that information and let it eat away at his soul until it finally became too much and he had to check himself into the hospital with a stomach ache.

But, if Casey disclosed to him the location of the body, he couldn't put Casey on the stand to perjure herself about that issue (i.e., "Yes, Jose, I was as stunned and dismayed as anyone to learn that Caylee's body had been discovered on the side of the road.")
 
kpalma715 said:
Since we are talking about possible video cameras at the dump site around the school, wasn't there a camera at the traffic light a few feet away from the actual dump site? Or was this camera installed after the body was found?
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I believe that camera was installed for security purposes while LE was processing the remains site.
 
AZlawyer said:
I don't think "materials" really has a legal meaning. If I used that word in a motion, I would mean something tangible, but other people might use it differently.

This could definitely relate to something that would implicate a member of the defense team and/or the family. Or something that doesn't implicate the family, but the State is nevertheless worried that the family will alter/destroy evidence, tamper with witnesses, etc. if the family knows of the nature of the investigation before it is complete.



Nope, believe it or not he could just sit on that information and let it eat away at his soul until it finally became too much and he had to check himself into the hospital with a stomach ache.

But, if Casey disclosed to him the location of the body, he couldn't put Casey on the stand to perjure herself about that issue (i.e., "Yes, Jose, I was as stunned and dismayed as anyone to learn that Caylee's body had been discovered on the side of the road.")
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Umm- was that a little tongue in cheek humor tucked in there with the eating away at soul and hospital visit with tummy ache comment? LOL
 
notthatsmart said:
Yes I agree and thank you for reading my post and remembering what I have said. I agree that there were others. Many others that are just as important as Tes. A witness is a witness, does not have to be affiliated with Tes to be some form of an official. I have thought that it is possible that the school does have video camera's, but I talked to a person on another forum that takes her kids to school there and she says there are no camera's. So, I may be wrong about that. I did note that even on the google map it shows busses on suburban, and I am almost sure they would have video's on the buses.

At our school, homeland security act paid for all our camera's and equiptment. this ties into the topic, because this could also be the new information, however if the mods want me to remove this post, I will.

Yes I saw those body finders on NG or one of the shows. Do you remember when they were there? I find it very interesting. I would like to see that video again to see if they were spot on and to see what month that video was taken in. Moo
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The video can be seen on youtube.
 
impatientredhead said:
BBM- I found the same thing when the topic was brought up originally. Found two cases that went to the supreme court where the defense attorney knew the location of the body, one visited the scene, neither reported it and both were found to have committed no wrong doing.

Their obligation was only to encourage their client to disclose the info but were ethically prevented by privilege from doing so themselves. They were not allowed to move, alter, or knowingly allow their client to do anything to move, alter, or destroy evidence.

I have the links to the cases on my other PC.
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Could you please provide the links.
 
Question for AZ (or any verified attorney) ---
What do you make of it that the defense has not filed an objection to the ex parte hearing...or at least responded in any way? Or am I reading too much in re. the deafening silence from the defense? I realize it was just filed yesterday, but aren't those type of hearings granted (or denied) swiftly?
 
A_News_Junkie said:
They were there several times - I verified all dates I have listed on here:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQgG3NFxiyWqZGhoemtzeHJfMGdia2hxbWYz&hl=en
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This is really wonderfully helpful when we are trying to remember things!! Great job!!

The other thing I love about their video is you see the woods the way they were, we have heard people say something could have been two feet in front of you and you could have missed it, that is how thick everything was...but to see it up close this way is very compelling compared to how it was after the FBI and LE finished with it. Someone seeing a white car on that road is just icing on the perjury as one member says.
http://www.wftv.com/video/22478953/index.html
 
cecybeans said:
And I need to respectfully disagree with you. The......inflammatory allegations JK made were in a heavily edited video interview that was not presented as ......
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:) I'm not part of this discussion about JK, I believe that argument was redirected to the JK thread for those who want to discuss it
 
skygirl said:
Good stuff. I never knew that there was a report of a white car on suburban? How did you find out that little nugget?

Thanks
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Sky --- this is one I am still waiting to find a link I like to remove the ???? on it. I first saw it on some blog or forum somewhere as a local person who heard second or third-hand from the witness. Next I heard of it, was the stuff about Hoover having approached a TES person in confidence to report it. Then on another site, what I thought was reported as a woman having called in the "tip" they were saying it was a "teen." Thus........... the ????????? remain today. Still digging and if I find anything solid, the ???????? will go away and I will link you all to it in the daisy chain thread!
I searched my notes (separate file and no link I like and nothing from the doc dumps that I can find yet to make me list this as fact -- thus the ?????)
Clear as mud now? LOL
 
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