Psychological aspects of this case

[checkercab]

To me, "Alissa" is the stock photo on the business card. I believe that this card was represented by Garrido as a photo of his daughter. Ergo, this photograph portrays "Alissa", a figure of fantasy and desire, the perfected Jaycee, a warped vision of Jaycee. Psychologically, this photograph is interesting, and I wonder what you think of the colors in the picture, or if anyone has any other ideas about the psychology of the business card photo.

:cat: I'll try to look up an answer if you wait 'til next week.

 

[checkercab]

:boohoo: Next installment of color posts.
Blue-and-white combinations, like patterned bedsheets and the alice-blue
gowns the girls wore to the Molino party, outnumber any other color in NG's
sphere. Of course it was a joint preference and hard to distinguish NG's taste
separately. Indigo blue means interpersonal sympathy and trust. Mixing white
with the blue changes the meaning to a clinging dependency.
What's missing in NG's sphere is the yellow-to-green middle of the color
spectrum. Avocado stands for ambition. Or the absence of avocado means
NG is a procrastinator. Fits her heroin dependency.
:bigstick: Putting together the presence of blue and absence of avocado
i came up with the caricature of NG in the day-to-day household role as
"*****y" to those on whom she relies the most.
This may be NG's signature color choice: on that rare outing with Jack, NG
wore a flaming red bodice covered with black wraps. Red normally means
the active role in love-making, savoring a steak, or whizzing about in a
favorite sportcar. When red is pointedly paired with black, red is blood, and
spells DANGER. On this outing, i think NG was sadistic as PG was in the
midst of his plan to fleece Jack of his savings. :furious:

The word with the ***** didn't meet the site's approval. You know.

 

[songline]

:twocents: Hard for a man 6'4" to find a woman in his height range.

hhhmmmmm they are all short.I mean short.
No body is talking about a man looking for a date, then too there is a huge space between 5 feet and 6.4 .

 

[kbl8201]

Yes it is interesting. I think the investigation into LE errors includes reviewing all tips received over the years. Some will slowly be made public.

I just have a hard time with this as well. So Sad, if true.

But I thought the slimy predators had her locked away for 3 yrs or more.
I just can't picture them taking a risk of letting her walk around at the gas station, that early into the kidnapping. JMO

thought it wasnt a real tip at first. but the fact they found a van that matches the description and garridos yard and the incident was 2 miles from his house........hard to discount.
maybe he saw her poster at the gas station, and used this as a test to see how far he'd broken her?

 

[Natal]

thought it wasnt a real tip at first. but the fact they found a van that matches the description and garridos yard and the incident was 2 miles from his house........hard to discount.
maybe he saw her poster at the gas station, and used this as a test to see how far he'd broken her?

They say she wasn't let out of the back yard for 3 1/2 years, presumably that info came from her. So, either her memory is faulty or the tip was wrong (probably made up). If it was that close to where he lives it is kind of ironic, since she may have been found 18 years ago if they had investigated the local sex offenders, even if the tip itself was bogus. But, maybe not, since he wasnt registered at the time.

 

[JBean]

Well this thread seems to have gone waayy offtopic. We actually have a thread devoted to the OT posts and we are creating parallel conversations of the same thing. I have just read the last handful of posts and then had to look at the title to figure out what the topic was in here.
Please stay on topic and take the conversation to the right thread.

ETA: ok I just moved about 20 posts to the right thread.
Thanks in advance for staying on topic discussing the psychological aspects of this case.

 

[checkercab]

This is a really interesting thread!

To me, "Alissa" is the stock photo on the business card. I believe that this card was represented by Garrido as a photo of his daughter. Ergo, this photograph portrays "Alissa", a figure of fantasy and desire, the perfected Jaycee, a warped vision of Jaycee. Psychologically, this photograph is interesting, and I wonder what you think of the colors in the picture, or if anyone has any other ideas about the psychology of the business card photo.

:detective: I've also concluded its a doctored picture. The denim color he
chose for "Alissa" recognizes her as faithful guardian of Printing4Less The
slimy-looking yellow-green in the backdrop corroborates Mysteriew's
post on Business-Card thread that PG was "showing her off as 'his'".

 

[kbl8201]

:detective: I've also concluded its a doctored picture. The denim color he
chose for "Alissa" recognizes her as faithful guardian of Printing4Less The
slimy-looking yellow-green in the backdrop corroborates Mysteriew's
post on Business-Card thread that PG was "showing her off as 'his'".

ugh.'
what a creep

 

[checkercab]

P &NG did not decorate anything at all.
His Mother did many years ago.
I think we are simply pulling at straws. :croc:

:twocents: The decor of MomG reflects the attitude she carried forward to
PG and NG occupation of the house. I firmly believe that MomG played
a critical role in guiding the morality and function of the household, that
there would have been no 18-year captivity without her.
NG, meanwhile, participated in choice of bedding, clothing, and other
acoutrements attendant upon the 3 children.

 

[kbl8201]

:twocents: The decor of MomG reflects the attitude she carried forward to
PG and NG occupation of the house. I firmly believe that MomG played
a critical role in guiding the morality and function of the household, that
there would have been no 18-year captivity without her.
NG, meanwhile, participated in choice of bedding, clothing, and other
acoutrements attendant upon the 3 children.

mommie dearest or norman bates mother?

 

[checkercab]

:boohoo: Anotheer thought: NG had a very good motivation :furious: to
cater to her mother-in-laws needs --- if MomG passed away sooner,
the social aecurity checks would stop (or it would set up something
else unthinkable).

 

[songline]

:twocents: The decor of MomG reflects the attitude she carried forward to
PG and NG occupation of the house. I firmly believe that MomG played
a critical role in guiding the morality and function of the household, that
there would have been no 18-year captivity without her.
NG, meanwhile, participated in choice of bedding, clothing, and other
acoutrements attendant upon the 3 children.

I am really not sure we can consider any of this Decor philosophy as a solid study for this bunch;
WE do not know who selected what for whom; and which part of it or its colors mean what about whom.

I see nothing but a tasteless eclectic throw together representing a chaotic mind.

I do not believe that Nancy had a whole lot of say about anything let alone the girls.
I think she came in handy to deal with his Mom and he can be left to his vices.
BUT LIKE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE I DO NOT KNOW.

I DO KNOW HIS PHSYCOLOGICAL MIND IS DANGEROUSE, AND INCURABLE.

 

[kgeaux]

:detective: I've also concluded its a doctored picture. The denim color he
chose for "Alissa" recognizes her as faithful guardian of Printing4Less The
slimy-looking yellow-green in the backdrop corroborates Mysteriew's
post on Business-Card thread that PG was "showing her off as 'his'".

Interesting theory, but I thought the picture was proven not to be Jaycee? She and her family deny that the pic. on the business card is her. It was said to be a stock photo of a model that was widely available on the internet. We know he had the "real" Jaycee with him, and could have used a picture of her if he wanted, yet he chose to use a stock photo and pretend it was Jaycee. To me, that would mean Jaycee didn't grow up to look exactly like PG's fantasy ideal; she didn't physically look like he had imagined she would.

:twocents: The decor of MomG reflects the attitude she carried forward to
PG and NG occupation of the house. I firmly believe that MomG played
a critical role in guiding the morality and function of the household, that
there would have been no 18-year captivity without her.
NG, meanwhile, participated in choice of bedding, clothing, and other
acoutrements attendant upon the 3 children.

MomG is bedridden and supposedly has Alzheimer's. Now, of course she wasn't in this condition 18 years ago, so your theory may be correct, but she does have another son who grew up to be "normal." Maybe it is because I am a mom, but I hate to see a Mom accused of causing the depravity of her child unless there is some proof.

 

[kgeaux]

:boohoo: Next installment of color posts.
Blue-and-white combinations, like patterned bedsheets and the alice-blue
gowns the girls wore to the Molino party, outnumber any other color in NG's
sphere. Of course it was a joint preference and hard to distinguish NG's taste
separately. Indigo blue means interpersonal sympathy and trust. Mixing white
with the blue changes the meaning to a clinging dependency.
What's missing in NG's sphere is the yellow-to-green middle of the color
spectrum. Avocado stands for ambition. Or the absence of avocado means
NG is a procrastinator. Fits her heroin dependency.
:bigstick: Putting together the presence of blue and absence of avocado
i came up with the caricature of NG in the day-to-day household role as
"*****y" to those on whom she relies the most.
This may be NG's signature color choice: on that rare outing with Jack, NG
wore a flaming red bodice covered with black wraps. Red normally means
the active role in love-making, savoring a steak, or whizzing about in a
favorite sportcar. When red is pointedly paired with black, red is blood, and
spells DANGER. On this outing, i think NG was sadistic as PG was in the
midst of his plan to fleece Jack of his savings. :furious:

The word with the ***** didn't meet the site's approval. You know.

Can I ask you what you base your color theory on? Is there something on the internet that I can read to learn more about how you are interpreting the use of color? I have read a very, very little about color, mostly the "yellow makes people angry" "red is stimulating to the digestive system" variety, but nothing that really delves into color choices as a representative of psychological predispositions.

I personally find most people decorate their homes with colors that are popular at the time they apply the paint, buy the comforter, etc. So while color theory may count for something, I think we'd need to know WHEN the house was decorated and if the colors chosen were the "usual" for that time, or if it was decorated with colors deliberately off the beaten path. I know if you look in my house, you will find no avocado color, simply because I don't like that color AND it ceased being popular in the early, early 70's. (My home right now is done in autumn colors because I fell in love with a paint palette! Two years ago, it was in shades of chocolate, six years ago it was in khaki type colors.) I guess what I'm trying to say is I don't think the absence of avocado means anything about my ambition! There's way more colors I DON'T have in my home than I do! I have no light blue, no pink, no green.......ya see what I mean? :crazy:

In the particular case of the Garrido home, since we don't know which touches in the home were MomG's, which were Phillip's or which were Nancy's, I wonder how we can determine much of anything?

I am really not sure we can consider any of this Decor philosophy as a solid study for this bunch;
WE do not know who selected what for whom; and which part of it or its colors mean what about whom.

I see nothing but a tasteless eclectic throw together representing a chaotic mind.

I do not believe that Nancy had a whole lot of say about anything let alone the girls.
I think she came in handy to deal with his Mom and he can be left to his vices.
BUT LIKE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE I DO NOT KNOW.

I DO KNOW HIS PHSYCOLOGICAL MIND IS DANGEROUSE, AND INCURABLE.

"Tasteless eclectic!" May I borrow that phrase? I LOVE it!

I think we may see a lot of tasteless eclectic when multiple families are living in the same home. PG and NG surely lived somewhere before moving in with mom, and I would assume that some of the mis-match comes from them bringing their possessions with them when they moved in. (I say this because an adult son moved back home for a short while, and I had "his" furniture and decorations dispersed through-out "my stuff" while he was here. Talk about tasteless eclectic!)

 

[songline]

"Tasteless eclectic!" May I borrow that phrase? I LOVE it!

I think we may see a lot of tasteless eclectic when multiple families are living in the same home. PG and NG surely lived somewhere before moving in with mom, and I would assume that some of the mis-match comes from them bringing their possessions with them when they moved in. (I say this because an adult son moved back home for a short while, and I had "his" furniture and decorations dispersed through-out "my stuff" while he was here. Talk about tasteless eclectic!)

YES please use it LOL :laugh: :laugh:
I do crack my self up sometimes.

"Tasteless eclectic!" came to me as result of someone trying to make a novel out of a mess.
And spending lots of time to research that decor :doh: I had to cut to the chase.....lol

 

[Tizzle]

Can I ask you what you base your color theory on? Is there something on the internet that I can read to learn more about how you are interpreting the use of color? I have read a very, very little about color, mostly the "yellow makes people angry" "red is stimulating to the digestive system" variety, but nothing that really delves into color choices as a representative of psychological predispositions.

I personally find most people decorate their homes with colors that are popular at the time they apply the paint, buy the comforter, etc. So while color theory may count for something, I think we'd need to know WHEN the house was decorated and if the colors chosen were the "usual" for that time, or if it was decorated with colors deliberately off the beaten path. I know if you look in my house, you will find no avocado color, simply because I don't like that color AND it ceased being popular in the early, early 70's.

I regret to inform you that it is actually popular again. Sorry.

I think we may see a lot of tasteless eclectic when multiple families are living in the same home. PG and NG surely lived somewhere before moving in with mom, and I would assume that some of the mis-match comes from them bringing their possessions with them when they moved in. (I say this because an adult son moved back home for a short while, and I had "his" furniture and decorations dispersed through-out "my stuff" while he was here. Talk about tasteless eclectic!)

BBM & snippedBM.

IIRC, NG moved in with PF before PG was released from prison. I don't know what she brought, but he surely didn't have much to bring. They've lived in that house with PF since he was released from NDOC in 88. But, you're right, because P & N brought a whole lot of crazy to that house.

IMO, The main pieces of furniture, drapes, lamps, etc., actually match nicely, they're just old. Some nice pieces of furniture, too, like the marble top end table, the antique desk being used as a computer desk and the formal dining room set, just to name a few. I think PF was quite tasteful in her time and I think this house was probably quite cozy in it's day.

The gaudier stuff, like the black faux velvet/pipe metal dining chairs near the ironing board, the white wicker, the huge floral arrangement in the bathroom and the multi colored sofa in the yellow room with the dirty pink carpet, I think, are most likely N's choices, including the pink carpet in the yellow room. The only taste she has is in her mouth. :sick:

I don't think P played much of a role as far as the interior choices of the house were concerned, but the simpler, cheaper stuff, like the office chairs, the boxy, crudely constructed shelving systems, the soap dispenser above the kitchen sink, the projection screen, the brown pleather/leather recliner and maybe the black pleather dining set in the kitchen were likely P's choices. He probably spent the majority of his time tinkering with his junk vehicles, running his crap printing "business", preaching his false message and just being a total flippin nutjob and drain on society, in general, and not much time cozying up the house. I see his "contribution" outside of the house and PF & NG inside of the house.
JMO

 

[kgeaux]

I can't believe avocado is popular again! YECH.

 

[Natal]

I don't think he gave much thought to decor, it would have been whatever free stuff he could find, but ya, the older stuff is probably from the Patricia era. It may not be Patricia's selections herself though, it may be her husbands stuff.

 

[checkercab]

Appreciate the feedback from several posts on the subject of the
physiological meaning of colors. Again it was an experimental effort to
try to understand the dynamics of the Garrido household when we probably
will never hear a straight story about it from anywhere. Of course its not
proof, so if you shoot me down for trying it, OK. :bang: The reference
protocol for color interpretations came from Max Luscher in Switzerland in
1948, involving quite a few thousand people from all walks of life there.
That was well before Internet. I'll see if i can find it more recently.

Adaptations of the Max Luscher Color Test can be found via Google.

 

[checkercab]

Interesting theory, but I thought the picture was proven not to be Jaycee? She and her family deny that the pic. on the business card is her. It was said to be a stock photo of a model that was widely available on the internet. We know he had the "real" Jaycee with him, and could have used a picture of her if he wanted, yet he chose to use a stock photo and pretend it was Jaycee. To me, that would mean Jaycee didn't grow up to look exactly like PG's fantasy ideal; she didn't physically look like he had imagined she would.

:innocent: I think its a stock photo too, that was doctored before it was
stocked and/or before it went to press for PG. Not even sure whether
The Garrido's have a camera; the only photos coming to light so far
were snapped somewhere else away from home.