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In addtion to Amy Bradley... and the other woman from Wisconsin....

Name: James Scavone
Endangered Missing Adult
Alias / Nickname: Jimmy
Date of Birth:June 16, 1977
Date Missing:July 5, 1999
From City/State:Int. Waters, San Juan,
Missing From (Country):Puerto Rico
Age at Time of Disappearance:22
Gender:Male
Race: White
Height: 70 inches
Weight: 165 pounds
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Complexion: Medium
Identifying Characteristics:Raised horseshoe shaped scar on upper left arm, mole on lower right side of face.
Clothing: Navy blue "Tommy Hillfiger" shirt, tan pants, sandals.
Jewelry: Silver chain necklace with "tennis racket" pendant.
Circumstances of Disappearance: Unknown. James was vacationing with friends on board the Carnival Cruise ship, "Destiny," between Miami and San Juan, Puerto Rico. He was last seen by friends at approximately 1:00am leaving a disco and had left only to go to the men's room.


Name: Manuelita Dejos Pierce
Classification: Endangered Missing Adult
Alias / Nickname: Mandy
Date of Birth: November 9, 1960
Date Missing: October 29, 2000
From City/State: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Age at Time of Disappearance: 39
Gender: Female
Race: Other
Race (Other): Filipino
Height: 60 inches
Weight: 115 pounds
Hair Color: Brown
Hair (Other): With red highlights.
Eye Color: Brown
Complexion: Medium
Identifying Characteristics: Pierced navel, triangle-shaped birthmark above right breast, birthmark on left side of back near kidney area, tattooed eyebrows, skin abrasions on both calves, scar from breast augmentation.
Clothing: Black dress with spaghetti straps.
Circumstances of Disappearance: Unknown. Mandy was last seen on the "Enchantment of the Seas," a Royal Caribbean cruise ship as it made its way back to Fort Lauderdale, FL. An employee last saw her between approximately 1:00 and 1:30am in one of the ship's hallways.
 
Chicago Tribune:

Missing pair likely fell off cruise ship

Items compiled from Tribune news services
Published May 17, 2005

THE CARIBBEAN -- An American couple that disappeared during a Caribbean cruise probably fell overboard, officials in Puerto Rico said Monday.

The 71-year-old man and 67-year-old woman aboard the Carnival Destiny disappeared Thursday between the islands of Barbados and Aruba, said U.S. Coast Guard Petty Officer Omar Barrera.

"The only logical conclusion it that they somehow fell overboard," Barrera said.

Investigators found a few belongings, including a purse and sandals, out in the open on the third floor of the ship. There were no signs of suicide, and the two evidently were in good health with no serious personal problems.

Two Coast Guard planes conducted an unsuccessful search. Passing ships were asked to be on the lookout.
 
audrey77 said:
Chicago Tribune:

Missing pair likely fell off cruise ship

Items compiled from Tribune news services
Published May 17, 2005

THE CARIBBEAN -- An American couple that disappeared during a Caribbean cruise probably fell overboard, officials in Puerto Rico said Monday.

The 71-year-old man and 67-year-old woman aboard the Carnival Destiny disappeared Thursday between the islands of Barbados and Aruba, said U.S. Coast Guard Petty Officer Omar Barrera.

"The only logical conclusion it that they somehow fell overboard," Barrera said.

Investigators found a few belongings, including a purse and sandals, out in the open on the third floor of the ship. There were no signs of suicide, and the two evidently were in good health with no serious personal problems.

Two Coast Guard planes conducted an unsuccessful search. Passing ships were asked to be on the lookout.
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so there are 4 missing persons,
and two of them were an elderly couple, correct?

have they mentioned what they think happened
to the younger two people missing?
 
One of them was on a different ship. It sounds like the Destiny should check out their staff members.
 
https://www.piersystem.com/external/index.cfm?cid=586&fuseaction=EXTERNAL.docview&documentID=57607

Press ReleaseDate: Nov. 25, 2004

Contact: Petty Officer Bobby Nash
(305) 318-1864

</SPAN>

Coast Guard searches for missing cruise ship passenger on Thanksgiving Day
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - Coast Guard rescue crews are searching for a 54-year-old-man who possibly fell overboard early this morning from the cruise ship Celebration.
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A small boat from Coast Guard Station Mayport, Fla., a Dolphin helicopter from Air Station Savannah, Ga., and a Falcon jet from Air Station Miami are searching for the Richmond, Va., resident. The man's wife believes her husband might have fallen overboard at 4 a.m.
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I am looking for more info on this one. Once again, it is a Carnival ship!
 
I found another one, once again it is a Carnival Cruise line ship. I had no idea there had been so many recently.

https://www.piersystem.com/external/index.cfm?cid=586&fuseaction=EXTERNAL.docview&documentID=43709

Press ReleaseDate: July 23, 2004

Contact: Petty Officer Anastasia Burns or Gretchen Eddy
(305) 415-6683

SEARCH CONTINUES FOR MAN MISSING FROM CRUISE SHIP
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MIAMI - The Coast Guard is searching the waters 14 miles off Cape Florida for a man possibly missing since early this morning from the cruise ship Fascination.
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Crews are currently on scene tracking a 28 mile stretch for the 37-year-old Virginia Beach, Va., man. The Coast Guard Cutter Cormorant and an Air Station Miami C-130 aircraft joined two HH-65 Dolphin helicopters and a Falcon jet from Air Station Miami, and a rescue boat from Station Miami Beach, Fla.
​

 
Wow, that is 6 people missing from Carnival Cruise ships! 1 from Royal Caribbean. I still remember another one in the last couple of years and am looking for it. Something sure doesn't sound right. I have been on two of the ships that people are missing from.
 
Shadow205 said:
Wow, that is 6 people missing from Carnival Cruise ships! 1 from Royal Caribbean. I still remember another one in the last couple of years and am looking for it. Something sure doesn't sound right. I have been on two of the ships that people are missing from.
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I've been on one of them. I wonder if this is just a new way to commit suicide or if a staff member is pushing them off.
 
Wow! I didn't realize there were that many cases. The only one I even heard was Amy Bradley. They really need to do some investigating of the staff members on those ships. I am sure in at least one of these cases the person jumped or fell overboard.
 
Rachel,


I had no idea either. I have been on more cruises than I can count and never even heard of it. I have actually found several more cases but didn't post them because suicide was supected. The ones that I posted seem to be suspicious. I also came across quite a few of sexual assaults with the victims being passengers and the suspects crew members. One was an accusation of sexual assault on a 2 year old by crew member baby sitter! Sure is alot of stuff happening on the ships.
 
Shadow205 said:
Rachel,


I had no idea either. I have been on more cruises than I can count and never even heard of it. I have actually found several more cases but didn't post them because suicide was supected. The ones that I posted seem to be suspicious. I also came across quite a few of sexual assaults with the victims being passengers and the suspects crew members. One was an accusation of sexual assault on a 2 year old by crew member baby sitter! Sure is alot of stuff happening on the ships.
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OMG. I've been on a lot of cruises, too, but had not heard of the sexual assaults by crew members. I can see how that could happen.

As far as falling overboard, I think that would be really hard to do unless you were standing on the rail.
 
In a lot of ways this sounds like how Disney handles problems in their theme parks-because they don't want the adverse publicity, the company does EVERYTHING in its power to keep these incidents as quiet as possible. I know in one of the cases, a person who discovered some items of Annette's actually contacted the FBI directly because of "suspicious circumstances" he observed and the fact that the cruise employees seemed to be VERY lax in trying to preserve what he perceived as a possible crime scene. And to think my daughter's high school band trip in 2004 was on Carnival-I don't think they will be using that line again if I have anything to say about it!

Bring Maura home!
 
You are so right gatetracker, Disney covers up lots of stuff and I'm sure that the cruse lines don't want things like this getting out either.
 
http://www.safetyforum.com/salc/

[font=Verdana,Arial][size=-1]Carnival Lines, the world's largest cruise line, reluctantly admitted in court in 1999 that its crew members had assaulted both passengers and fellow crew members 108 times from 1993 to 1998 – almost twice a month. [/size][/font]

Now that is a real eye opener!
 
Do the employees escort different ships or do they remain on the same one?
 
Shadow205 said:
Wow, that is 6 people missing from Carnival Cruise ships! 1 from Royal Caribbean. I still remember another one in the last couple of years and am looking for it. Something sure doesn't sound right. I have been on two of the ships that people are missing from.
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This is really odd. I've been on one of the ships too and from what I remember it was perfectly safe. How do people fall overboard on those huge ships? I don't see any reason why people would lean over the side far enough to fall overboard. That is way to many people missing on Carnival. Wasn't their last problem food poisoning or something like that? I think they should take a good look at their crew too. Or check to see if the same passenger name keeps coming up when each one of those people "fell overboard." Sounds more like a serial killer to me then people that just happen to "fall" overboard.
 
I've been on a lot of cruises, too. The crew generally sign on for a certain amount of time that varies by rank. While they will occasionally change ships, they usually remain on the same ship for the contracted time period.

If they get into trouble in a port, they are likely to be handed their belongings, and passport and left there.

If they are fired for some infraction, same thing. They are removed from the ship at the next port, given their belongings and passport, and left to make their way to their home country on their own.

If they run afoul of the authorities in a port, the cruise line will most likely cooperate with the authorities and hand the employee over to them. I've seen it happen after the drug-sniffing dogs found something on a crew member. We were delayed in port for about an hour. The crew member remained with the authorities. Ship's officers eventually took the man's belongings, suitcase, etc., to the authorities. Then the officers came back aboard, they raised the gangway, and we motored out of port.

I don't know how much the ships cover up, but I know they can be quite harsh to their staff. To my knowledge, they take allegations of sexual assault seriously and usually remove the employee from the ship.

On the other hand, there are a lot of crew members who sign on year after year and have an excellent track record with the cruise lines.

I don't get this falling overboard thing at all. The railings are really substantial and on most decks you'd be more likely to fall into a lifeboat or the deck below than the ocean. I see only three possibilities. Suicide, alcohol or drugs, or homicide. Homicide seems the least likely of the three unless a family member or friend is suspected. The crew know that there is nowhere they can escape on a ship unless they jump overboard themselves. There was nothing in any of these stories about theft or missing valuables. This leaves substance abuse, domestic abuse, or suicide. I would put random mugging by a crew member relatively low on the list.

For one thing, a lot of the crew are restricted to crew decks unless they are working. Doors or passageways leading to and from crew decks are often locked. And cruise ships are sort of like a floating Vegas. It gets quiet in the wee hours of the morning, but there are always people moving around and the lights are always on just about everywhere. It's not the best place for stealth.
 
smidgeon said:
I've been on a lot of cruises, too. The crew generally sign on for a certain amount of time that varies by rank. While they will occasionally change ships, they usually remain on the same ship for the contracted time period.

If they get into trouble in a port, they are likely to be handed their belongings, and passport and left there.

If they are fired for some infraction, same thing. They are removed from the ship at the next port, given their belongings and passport, and left to make their way to their home country on their own.

If they run afoul of the authorities in a port, the cruise line will most likely cooperate with the authorities and hand the employee over to them. I've seen it happen after the drug-sniffing dogs found something on a crew member. We were delayed in port for about an hour. The crew member remained with the authorities. Ship's officers eventually took the man's belongings, suitcase, etc., to the authorities. Then the officers came back aboard, they raised the gangway, and we motored out of port.

I don't know how much the ships cover up, but I know they can be quite harsh to their staff. To my knowledge, they take allegations of sexual assault seriously and usually remove the employee from the ship.

On the other hand, there are a lot of crew members who sign on year after year and have an excellent track record with the cruise lines.

I don't get this falling overboard thing at all. The railings are really substantial and on most decks you'd be more likely to fall into a lifeboat or the deck below than the ocean. I see only three possibilities. Suicide, alcohol or drugs, or homicide. Homicide seems the least likely of the three unless a family member or friend is suspected. The crew know that there is nowhere they can escape on a ship unless they jump overboard themselves. There was nothing in any of these stories about theft or missing valuables. This leaves substance abuse, domestic abuse, or suicide. I would put random mugging by a crew member relatively low on the list.

For one thing, a lot of the crew are restricted to crew decks unless they are working. Doors or passageways leading to and from crew decks are often locked. And cruise ships are sort of like a floating Vegas. It gets quiet in the wee hours of the morning, but there are always people moving around and the lights are always on just about everywhere. It's not the best place for stealth.
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Smidgeon,

I think that it would still be a very high possibility that a crew member could be involved. Most perps don't beleive that they will get caught so the fact that they couldn't get off of the ship would not be of any concern to them.

As far as no report of theft or missing valuables from the victims, there is no way of knowing if anything was missing, like jewelry or not because none of these victims bodies were ever recovered.

There have been times when I was on a cruise that my Husband and I would go up on deck late at night and I have seen crew members hanging out up there. I'm sure that they were up there to do some sort of work but they wern't. I have also picked up some uncomfortable vibes from what I can only describe as "leering".

I think bottom line is don't have a false scense of security while aboard a crusie ship. While it is indeed paradise, it is also the real world and you need to be as cautious as you would anywhere.
 
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