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[887sMtreme]

And if a trophy, might it have been the murder weapon?

 

[CorallaroC]

I have no way to source this with a link, but one of my recollections is that JR said that the medallion was a gift from JBR which she made herself at school/church art class type of thing which the medallion said something like "The best Christmas present I can give you is ME"

But I also recall various other interviews where he said that the medallion was from JBR's most recent pageant, which she told her daddy that her medal was for him.

Too many yrs have gone by, too m,any different stories to keep it all straight anymore.

 

[Cottonstar]

Are we sure that’s JR leaving his residence on the afternoon of 26th? I’m not saying it’s not, it just seems like it was after a police interview or something?


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[BoldBear]

I have no way to source this with a link, but one of my recollections is that JR said that the medallion was a gift from JBR which she made herself at school/church art class type of thing which the medallion said something like "The best Christmas present I can give you is ME"

But I also recall various other interviews where he said that the medallion was from JBR's most recent pageant, which she told her daddy that her medal was for him.

Too many yrs have gone by, too m,any different stories to keep it all straight anymore.

DOI:

After gathering up what we had asked for, Pam was getting ready to leave when she had a feeling that something important had been missed. She asked to go back to jonBenet's room, and as she stood in the doorway, her attention
was drawn to a seemingly insignificant gold medallion that jonBenet had won in the recent All-Stars Christmas Pageant, her last competition. The round medallion had been placed around her neck as the overall winner of the talent competition. Even though neither Patsy nor I had said anything about the medal, Pam felt a personal urgency to retrieve it, and the detective didn't object.

 

[questfortrue]

Thank you qft.

It'd be really great if you or anyone knows where I can view the original of that footage or news report. I've seen it (but didn't think to save it) and I need confirmation of the date and location. Thanks if anyone can help.

Tortoise, this scene of JR has appeared in a couple of places I believe. But if you go to this link and look at the frame starting at the 14:16, it can be seen. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4tmxl0 This scene is part one of the program: JonBenet: An American Murder Mystery, September 12 – 14, 2016

My understanding about this photo is this:
1) Per ST’s book, JR was dressed in a blue and white striped shirt and khaki pants.
2) The pots on the side of the door match those seen in the photo of the back yard below.
3) The last time they left the home was the afternoon of the 26[SUP]th[/SUP]. A white police van took JR to the F’s home; PR got in a second car and was also driven to their home.

DFF’s take on this is similar to mine.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...you-d-like-answers-to&p=12973586#post12973586

 

[Cottonstar]

Tortoise, this scene of JR has appeared in a couple of places I believe. But if you go to this link and look at the frame starting at the 14:16, it can be seen. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4tmxl0 This scene is part one of the program: JonBenet: An American Murder Mystery, September 12 – 14, 2016

My understanding about this photo is this:
1) Per ST’s book, JR was dressed in a blue and white striped shirt and khaki pants.
2) The pots on the side of the door match those seen in the photo of the back yard below.
3) The last time they left the home was the afternoon of the 26[SUP]th[/SUP]. A white police van took JR to the F’s home; PR got in a second car and was also driven to their home.

DFF’s take on this is similar to mine.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...you-d-like-answers-to&p=12973586#post12973586

Thank you for this. You were correct. Very interesting that he wore that medal out of the house that day, then lied about how he acquired it.


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[Tortoise]

Tortoise, this scene of JR has appeared in a couple of places I believe. But if you go to this link and look at the frame starting at the 14:16, it can be seen. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4tmxl0 This scene is part one of the program: JonBenet: An American Murder Mystery, September 12 – 14, 2016

My understanding about this photo is this:
1) Per ST’s book, JR was dressed in a blue and white striped shirt and khaki pants.
2) The pots on the side of the door match those seen in the photo of the back yard below.
3) The last time they left the home was the afternoon of the 26[SUP]th[/SUP]. A white police van took JR to the F’s home; PR got in a second car and was also driven to their home.

DFF’s take on this is similar to mine.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...you-d-like-answers-to&p=12973586#post12973586

Thank you very much qft.

It doesn't appear to be that exit from the Ramsey house though. If you notice from my screen shot of the doors they're leaving through around and above the door there is white plaster work and there is a white down-pipe. I've attached a photo of the butler kitchen patio door too and it's not that one. I don't know where it could be. I've checked over the Fernie, White, Walker and Stine houses too and can't see anything like that, from street view anyways.

I do happen to believe it was taken at about midday because of the shadow under the van. But what's strange is that JR appears to be in same or similar clothing he was wearing on 26th.

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incomi.../ALTERNATES/s615b/JonBenet-Ramsey-Dr-Phil.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/74/04/5d7404c0e72490377e6bb472734ad61a.jpg

 

[Tortoise]

Maybe it's something crazily simple like they went over to the Barnhills and left from there.

Looks like he's clutching his bible too, or was it Mindhunter perhaps.

 

[Cottonstar]

What about where Fernie parked his van?


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[Tortoise]

I don't know if you mean a neighbour house round the back, but this is the rear of the Ramsey house

http://www.acandyrose.com/04302001today-011.jpg

http://www.acandyrose.com/098garage.gif

 

[Cottonstar]

I was thinking of this exit here:

But, I can see that it’s not.

I’m still thinking that may be JR leaving the DA office, or just after his first police interview.


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[Cottonstar]

Ok, I believe this photo may be from Dec. 28, when JR and the family had to submit fingerprints, DNA, blood, etc..to the police. Which would make since because I believe Pam came back on the night of the 27th with the medal.

Here is a better shot of the door.


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[Tortoise]

I don't know if my computer is playing up because I'm not seeing the pictures you have posted and I tried to post some pictures earlier that didn't show up too. If it's just me I'll have to try and work out what settings need changing on my computer.

 

[questfortrue]

Ok, I believe this photo may be from Dec. 28, when JR and the family had to submit fingerprints, DNA, blood, etc..to the police. Which would make since because I believe Pam came back on the night of the 27th with the medal.

Here is a better shot of the door.


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I'm not seeing your photos either, CS. But thank you for your thoughts on this. It is interesting about PP’s ‘raid’ on the home. ST claimed she went into the home on the second day of the BPD’s official processing of the house, 48 hours after the crime had been revealed. "And it was just as bad to learn that forty-eight hours into this, we had not interviewed the parents. I felt that we were already in deep trouble. It was about to get much worse. As Gosage and I sat in police headquarters, Pam Paugh, one of Patsy Ramsey’s sisters who had flown in from Atlanta, was staging a one-woman raid on the crime scene that I could only compare to burning the damned place down." (From IRMI) ST claimed that he ducked into the BPD on the 28[SUP]th[/SUP]. It was the day that he conferred with Gosage about the lack of interviews with the police.

Final non-essential thought on this: I won’t try to further convince anyone that this is a photo of JR leaving his home for the final time on the 26[SUP]th[/SUP]. (JR said that he never returned to the home after the 26[SUP]th[/SUP].) I don’t claim to have zeroed in on the correct door to the home. But like Tortoise I also reviewed the S’s, F’s and Boulder Criminal Justice building where the Rs went to give non-testimonial evidence. Sure I could be incorrect on this; however, what convinced me that it is their home, despite some anomalies or questions about from which door his exit took place, were the flower pots. Y’all wlll have to look for those pots at some other location, if the photo is not of the R home.

 

[Cottonstar]

I'm not seeing your photos either, CS. But thank you for your thoughts on this. It is interesting about PP’s ‘raid’ on the home. ST claimed she went into the home on the second day of the BPD’s official processing of the house, 48 hours after the crime had been revealed. "And it was just as bad to learn that forty-eight hours into this, we had not interviewed the parents. I felt that we were already in deep trouble. It was about to get much worse. As Gosage and I sat in police headquarters, Pam Paugh, one of Patsy Ramsey’s sisters who had flown in from Atlanta, was staging a one-woman raid on the crime scene that I could only compare to burning the damned place down." (From IRMI) ST claimed that he ducked into the BPD on the 28[SUP]th[/SUP]. It was the day that he conferred with Gosage about the lack of interviews with the police.

Final non-essential thought on this: I won’t try to further convince anyone that this is a photo of JR leaving his home for the final time on the 26[SUP]th[/SUP]. (JR said that he never returned to the home after the 26[SUP]th[/SUP].) I don’t claim to have zeroed in on the correct door to the home. But like Tortoise I also reviewed the S’s, F’s and Boulder Criminal Justice building where the Rs went to give non-testimonial evidence. Sure I could be incorrect on this; however, what convinced me that it is their home, despite some anomalies or questions about from which door his exit took place, were the flower pots. Y’all wlll have to look for those pots at some other location, if the photo is not of the R home.

Give me a second. I’ll try another way.


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[Cottonstar]

I'm not seeing your photos either, CS. But thank you for your thoughts on this. It is interesting about PP’s ‘raid’ on the home. ST claimed she went into the home on the second day of the BPD’s official processing of the house, 48 hours after the crime had been revealed. "And it was just as bad to learn that forty-eight hours into this, we had not interviewed the parents. I felt that we were already in deep trouble. It was about to get much worse. As Gosage and I sat in police headquarters, Pam Paugh, one of Patsy Ramsey’s sisters who had flown in from Atlanta, was staging a one-woman raid on the crime scene that I could only compare to burning the damned place down." (From IRMI) ST claimed that he ducked into the BPD on the 28[SUP]th[/SUP]. It was the day that he conferred with Gosage about the lack of interviews with the police.

Final non-essential thought on this: I won’t try to further convince anyone that this is a photo of JR leaving his home for the final time on the 26[SUP]th[/SUP]. (JR said that he never returned to the home after the 26[SUP]th[/SUP].) I don’t claim to have zeroed in on the correct door to the home. But like Tortoise I also reviewed the S’s, F’s and Boulder Criminal Justice building where the Rs went to give non-testimonial evidence. Sure I could be incorrect on this; however, what convinced me that it is their home, despite some anomalies or questions about from which door his exit took place, were the flower pots. Y’all wlll have to look for those pots at some other location, if the photo is not of the R home.

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[Cottonstar]

 

[Cottonstar]

All the flower pots were empty that I could see on the 26th. JR leaving with the medal you will see the pots are not empty and are a bit different.

I’ll try and post video


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[Cottonstar]

http://abcnews.go.com/Archives/video/jan-1997-jon-benet-ramsey-murder-mystery-12460925

It shows JR exiting door pretty quick into this video.

If it works. Something seems to be up with posting vids/pics.

 

[Cottonstar]

Ok, I believe I’ve tracked it down.

JR is exciting a
funeral home in Atlanta.



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