Rebecca's Death

[freespeech]

Ah. I see. Thank you.

Sorry but I gave wrong you information.

The times of the calls do not make sense.

See my corrected post.

 

[K_Z]

Many, if not most cell phones typically update themselves the "first" time they ping towers in a new time zone. I fly a lot, and when I power on my phone while taxiing at destination, it will initially display the "old" time zone time as it is searching for towers. As soon as it contacts a tower for service, it displays the new time zone-- usually within 15 to 30 seconds.

I have no idea if "all" cell phones do this, but the major brands have functioned this way for a number of years.

So if Rebecca even if RZ had just arrived in a new time zone, the call should have been timestamped with the destination time on HER phone as soon as the phone contacted a local tower. At least, that is my understanding. Someone with more cell phone IT knowledge may be able to explain it better. Certainly if RZ's case is reopened, or charges are filed, cell experts will be retained to explain these puzzling discrepancies.

 

[freespeech]

Just realized I'm finding it odd that Nina gave some time like 9:55? Hmmm.

Rebecca's phone would be on Mountain Time, but Arizona does not observe Daylight Savings Time and didn't in 2011. Also, when I check the time right now it is exactly the time it is in California.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/clockchange.html?n=197&year=2011

Rebecca's full records were released (Attached). Nina released a partial copy of her texts (Attached). Rebecca's cell records show a call at 9:25 pm with Mary and a text at 10:41 from Nina. It does not show Nina trying to contact Rebecca any other time except on Monday the 11th when she picked her up at the airport.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15485069/records-reveal-final-cell-phone-calls-to-rebecca-zahau (scroll down and entries for Rebecca's cell are shown)

• Last phone conversation with Mary was at 9:25 p.m
• Multiple text messages Marry and Rebecca 9:44 - 9:53 p.m
• Witness says he saw Dina at the Mansion ~ 10:20 pm
• Nina texts Rebecca at 10:41
• Nina claims she went over to the house at 10:55 or after

Nina (or Nina's phone) did not try to contact Rebecca at all in ~ 25 hours to discuss anything about Max's accident (per phone records including texts and calls).

Nina (or someone using Nina's phone) texts Rebecca on Tuesday at 10:41 and gets no answer, but Nina doesn't even try to call her or just wait till the morning? If Rebecca wanted to talk with her, she would have responded to the text so it seems out of bounds to head over to her house late at night. Not only does Nina go to the front door, but then takes the liberty of going around to the back - to finally conclude she does not want to talk to her? I am not buying this was the time to just ask Rebecca to 'explain things' or show her in the foyer hat had happened it he fall unless we can call it an inappropriate late night inquisition.

And, there are evidently eyewitnesses who told police they saw Dina and/or Nina at the mansion that night as well as there were screams reported by neighbors (was that about 11?).

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

To add to the strange picture of Nina, in her interview, Nina complains that they took her new pants and so on. Does this really matter? It's odd to go on and on about that and act like pulling 4-5 hairs out of your head is so awful. Why is that so important when you were supposedly the last known person trying to contact a victim, upfront and personal - of course, LE should want to test your clothing, your DNA, and so forth.

Why didn't they take all this stuff from Dina when it was only her cell phone that had an alibi.

(sorry, for some reason it will not allow me to attach Rebecca's cell phone bill, but you can download it at the bottom of this page http://www.cbs8.com/story/15538406/family-releases-200-pages-of-zahau-phone-records )

COULD NINA AND DINA HAVE SWITCHED PHONES?

That would alibi Dina at the hospital via cell phone, car and a wigged Nina. Nina would be alibied at the mansion except for a witness identified DINA not Nina there at 10:20 p.m.

Also, Dina knew that Rebecca probably would not answer a text from her because Rebecca was afraid of her. However, possibly Dina thought that Rebecca might answer the door for the less threatening Nina. However, it seems more likely that the phones, car and possible wig could be used to establish alibis. Imoo.

 

[justice be served]

Just realized I'm finding it odd that Nina gave some time like 9:55? Hmmm.

Rebecca's phone would be on Mountain Time, but Arizona does not observe Daylight Savings Time and didn't in 2011. Also, when I check the time right now it is exactly the time it is in California.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/clockchange.html?n=197&year=2011

Rebecca's full records were released (Attached). Nina released a partial copy of her texts (Attached). Rebecca's cell records show a call at 9:25 pm with Mary and a text at 10:41 from Nina. It does not show Nina trying to contact Rebecca any other time except on Monday the 11th when she picked her up at the airport.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15485069/records-reveal-final-cell-phone-calls-to-rebecca-zahau (scroll down and entries for Rebecca's cell are shown)

• Last phone conversation with Mary was at 9:25 p.m
• Multiple text messages Marry and Rebecca 9:44 - 9:53 p.m
• Witness says he saw Dina at the Mansion ~ 10:20 pm
• Nina texts Rebecca at 10:41
• Nina claims she went over to the house at 10:55 or after

Nina (or Nina's phone) did not try to contact Rebecca at all in ~ 25 hours to discuss anything about Max's accident (per phone records including texts and calls).

Nina (or someone using Nina's phone) texts Rebecca on Tuesday at 10:41 and gets no answer, but Nina doesn't even try to call her or just wait till the morning? If Rebecca wanted to talk with her, she would have responded to the text so it seems out of bounds to head over to her house late at night. Not only does Nina go to the front door, but then takes the liberty of going around to the back - to finally conclude she does not want to talk to her? I am not buying this was the time to just ask Rebecca to 'explain things' or show her in the foyer hat had happened it he fall unless we can call it an inappropriate late night inquisition.

And, there are evidently eyewitnesses who told police they saw Dina and/or Nina at the mansion that night as well as there were screams reported by neighbors (was that about 11?).

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

To add to the strange picture of Nina, in her interview, Nina complains that they took her new pants and so on. Does this really matter? It's odd to go on and on about that and act like pulling 4-5 hairs out of your head is so awful. Why is that so important when you were supposedly the last known person trying to contact a victim, upfront and personal - of course, LE should want to test your clothing, your DNA, and so forth.

Why didn't they take all this stuff from Dina when it was only her cell phone that had an alibi.

(sorry, for some reason it will not allow me to attach Rebecca's cell phone bill, but you can download it at the bottom of this page http://www.cbs8.com/story/15538406/family-releases-200-pages-of-zahau-phone-records )

Dina's recent quest to get justice for Max has really brought the house down on re-speculation on Rebecca's suspicious death and Dina's potential involvement. Surely this is no surprise to Dina and her advisors that the can of worms has opened up. I'm not even going to speculate what their plans had been for mitigating the public response as seen on this forum and generally. Is it a pre-emptive strike at something bigger?

It is sad to me that so much negative speculation is the outcome toward all of the victims when law enforcement simply didn't do their job in proving both cases. I would like to think that reopening these cases by whatever entity is most productive at getting to the truth is the most effective way to save face of our government officials. And, more importantly, to bring whatever measure of peace to those whose lives have been forever changed. We can only hope that Caifornia does the right thing. lease:

 

[screecher]

The last time Rebecca actually talkedon the phone was 9:25PM according to her cell phone records. The cell phone was found in the "hanging room". Anyone could have text from her phone.



Dina could have done the text messages from Rebecca to Mary from 9:44 to 9:53 p.m.

Snipped with respect by me.

Okay. So Rebecca and Mary spoke to each other at 9:25.

Then supposedly texted each other from 9:44 to 9:53. Why text? Why not speak?

Seems hinky to me.

 

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Also, Dina could have only gone back to the hospital at 8 p.m. so as to leave her cell phone there to set up an alibi. She was not seen on surviellance tape. She could have left after leaving her phone and gone to the mansion afterwards. A witness placed Dina not Nina at the house the night of the murder.

Nina could have then sat in the hospital for Dina and sent the 9:41 p.m. (I believe that call was actually at 10;41, see above) text from there. Nina could have only placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister. If Nina sat with her back to the door with a black wig on who would know the difference? Both sisters have the same broad shoulders so if Nina could have pretended to sleeping with her hair/wig partially covering her face.

Other scenarios are possible. I still don't believe that Rebecca killed herself. Why wasn't Nina and Dina polygraphed?

"placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister"

The scary thing is that it if this were true, it probably worked. LE did not examine Dina and claimed until they were cornered that she had an alibi. This is truly either very sloppy police investigation or they did not want to investigate Dina, the very person who may have had the most motive to kill Rebecca.

 

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COULD NINA AND DINA HAVE SWITCHED PHONES?

That would alibi Dina at the hospital via cell phone, car and a wigged Nina. Nina would be alibied at the mansion except for a witness identified DINA not Nina there at 10:30 p.m.

Also, Dina knew that Rebecca probably would not answer a text from her because Rebecca was afraid of her. However, possibly Dina thought that Rebecca might answer the door for the less threatening Nina. However, it seems more likely that the phones, cars, wigs used to establish alibis. Imoo.

The only thing is, if someone saw Dina at 10:20 and the text form Nina's phone came in at 10:41 then, I'd have to wonder if anyone was trying to get Rebecca to text them back. But you could be right, it was to get her to answer the door.

Maybe the text wasn't sent to get her to answer the door or as Nina claimed, to 'talk'. IDK. The call could have been made simply for alibi purposes (let's pretend the 10:20 time is right and both Dina and Nina know there could have been a witness to that) or I think even sending a text could help locate where someone is in a house.

 

[freespeech]

"placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister"

The scary thing is that it probably worked, LE did not examine Dina and claimed until they were cornered that she had an alibi. This is truly either very sloppy police investigation or they did not want to investigate Dina, the very person who may have had the most motive to kill Rebecca.

This is very scary indeed. What if this is how it happened? What if it took the input of hundreds of posters and thousands of comments to finally figure out a how this could have gone down.

I would think it would be unrealistic to expect LE to invest this kind of time when they have so many cases to process. However, they are trained with experience in these matters so I would expect that they would come to the same conclusions in less time but who really knows for sure?

 

[time]

Many, if not most cell phones typically update themselves the "first" time they ping towers in a new time zone. I fly a lot, and when I power on my phone while taxiing at destination, it will initially display the "old" time zone time as it is searching for towers. As soon as it contacts a tower for service, it displays the new time zone-- usually within 15 to 30 seconds.

I have no idea if "all" cell phones do this, but the major brands have functioned this way for a number of years.

So if Rebecca even if RZ had just arrived in a new time zone, the call should have been timestamped with the destination time on HER phone as soon as the phone contacted a local tower. At least, that is my understanding. Someone with more cell phone IT knowledge may be able to explain it better. Certainly if RZ's case is reopened, or charges are filed, cell experts will be retained to explain these puzzling discrepancies.

Essentially, Rebecca wouldn't have been in two different time zones... California and Arizona had the exact same time from Spring until Fall.

I can't find anywhere that LE or any official records were presented for the time of Nina's text - did they get her cell phone records?

 

[freespeech]

Snipped with respect by me.

Okay. So Rebecca and Mary spoke to each other at 9:25.

Then supposedly texted each other from 9:44 to 9:53. Why text? Why not speak?

Seems hinky to me.

That's true. Why not speak? Could someone else have done the texts? Where was Adam at this time? What do his cell phone records show?

Also as some have mentioned, disposable cell phones are cheap. Can they be traced to a purchaser? Do they need to be registered?

 

[screecher]

"placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister"

The scary thing is that it if this were true, it probably worked. LE did not examine Dina and claimed until they were cornered that she had an alibi. This is truly either very sloppy police investigation or they did not want to investigate Dina, the very person who may have had the most motive to kill Rebecca.

BBM

I think it's both...sloppy work and didn't feel the need to investigate Dina.

Afterall, she had an alibi. Her phone pinged.

 

[*Lash*]

A point of clarification with the cell phone records Nina provided. The copy is a screen print from a computer query. It is not an actual bill. Notice at the bottom of the screen it has a page footer, pages 40-45. In my opinion the copy that Nina provided is not sufficient. It could have been manipulated in the search query. I am not being accusatory, it is only my opinion a copy of the actual bill would provide additional details.

 

[time]

A point of clarification with the cell phone records Nina provided. The copy is a screen print from a computer query. It is not an actual bill. Notice at the bottom of the screen it has a page footer, pages 40-45. In my opinion the copy that Nina provided is not sufficient. It could have been manipulated in the search query. I am not being accusatory, it is only my opinion a copy of the actual bill would provide additional details.

I came to a similar conclusion - and, this is the only copy or any kind of validation I have seen. I think she texted Rebecca at 10:41, not 9:41. If that is true, then why would she say that. I do not believe it is a bad memory because she also called her friend, she said, before going over and she gave a very specific time for when she decided to go over to the mansion.

 

[*Lash*]

The search warrants for phone records were not even requested until 8-24-2011. More than a month after Rebecca's death and only days before the 9-2-2011 SDSO press conference. The "opinions and conclusions" segment of the search warrants details the purpose of obtaining the cell phone records is to determine Jonah's and Dina's location at the time of Rebecca's death. Also who they were communicating with during the time of Rebecca's death.

Search Warrants 11-164 and 11-165-

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-165.pdf

 

[freespeech]

In a letter to police after the incident, Mr Shacknai claimed his wife had a history of physically attacking him. He wrote: 'I have been assaulted physically several times by my wife, Dina Shacknai... I was treated for a broken finger as a consequence of one such assault.'He also claimed his became angry and irrational when she had been drinking, and blamed the bruises she said were from the dog on a 'bruising disorder'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lent-marriage-ex-wife-Dina.html#ixzz23kDc8F4d

The records detail three incidents at the pharmaceutical tycoon's Arizona residence between 2007 and 2009. In one case, Shacknai claimed his wife had been drinking and taking prescription drugs before trying to choke him in September 2008.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15103319/reports-allege-history-of-domestic-violence-in-shacknai-home

 

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The search warrants for phone records were not even requested until 8-24-2011. More than a month after Rebecca's death and only days before the 9-2-2011 SDSO press conference. The "opinions and conclusions" segment of the search warrants details the purpose of obtaining the cell phone records is to determine Jonah's and Dina's location at the time of Rebecca's death. Also who they were communicating with during the time of Rebecca's death.

Search Warrants 11-164 and 11-165-

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-164.pdf
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/kfmb/misc/warrant_11-165.pdf

Yeah, it would be nice to see who they were calling.

No search warrant for Nina's phone?

Am I reading this correctly, I thought Dina was gone from the hospital for 12 hours but it appears it could have been up to 14.5 hours if she didn't get to the hospital until 8 pm, e.g., Jonah left the hospital on Monday to get clothes at home and arrived at McD at 1:55 am thenreturned to the hospital July 12 at 5:30-6 am, Dina was there when he arrived but left and came back to the hospital at 6 pm (or at 8 pm - there are conflicting reports).

Also, I've always found it odd that Jonah claimed he left that message for Rebecca before he went to the R McD house at 1 am. And, that it appears he was expected to be back at the hospital at 7 am or claimed he was there?

So, it appears the guy only slept about 8-9 hours over two days - being away from the hospital perhaps a total of about 13 hrs or so (given he went back home once for clothes and left once for dinner)? Am I missing something?

 

[MyBelle]

"placed herself at the house that night to alibi her sister"

The scary thing is that it if this were true, it probably worked. LE did not examine Dina and claimed until they were cornered that she had an alibi. This is truly either very sloppy police investigation or they did not want to investigate Dina, the very person who may have had the most motive to kill Rebecca.

You don't know if something is true yet you speculate it "worked?" You don't know for certain that LE "did not examine Dina."

Neither woman had any reason to place herself at the mansion if it wasn't true. I don't believe it is fair to accuse LE of a shoddy investigation when so many details of their investigation haven't been released. A year later, LE stands firm on their conclusion.

Where did you get the idea that Dina--or any other parent in her shoes--would immediately murder someone rather than let LE handle it. I've never heard of a case where a parent doesn't even wait for LE to conduct an investigation. Can you cite one?

JMO

 

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Reading the cell phone search warrants reminded me of this and it's worth repeating:

"Detective Lebitski and Detective Hillen facilitated a polygraph examination of Adam Shacknai with Polygrapher Paul Redden. Redden said based on the analysis of the polygraph charts he couldn't draw a conclusion, but felt Adam was being truthful during the examination."

However, Paul Redden tells RadarOnline.com exclusively: "The test results from the polygraph that I gave Adam Shacknai were inconclusive, therefore, I wasn't able to form an analysis from the results of the polygraph test. Adam did not necessarily pass or fail the test. Whenever I deal with an inconclusive result, I always recommend a follow-up test. I have never been asked to do a follow-up test for Adam Shacknai.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...grapher-recommended-another-lie-detector-test

 

[freespeech]

Was Gore truthful about this case? Was he biased toward Shackni interests?

From Radar on Line:

"It's a stunning development because San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore publicly stated that Adam Shacknai had passed a lie detector test, but as RadarOnline.com previously reported, he didn't pass the test -- Paul Redden, who gave Adam the polygraph test, said the results were inconclusive.

Redden recommended that Adam be re-tested, but cops never gave him another test. Redden also told RadarOnline.com that Adam Shacknai was the only person he gave a polygraph test to in connection with the Zahau death case."


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...st-reexamine-rebecca-zahau-suicide-refused-ag

 

[freespeech]

News 8 reported:

"Zahau family attorney Anne Bremner first revealed that mixed DNA was found at the death scene during the airing of the Dr. Phil Show earlier this week.

We have mixed DNA in this case all over, in things like the knife, the bed frame, black gloves," said Bremner on the syndicated television talk show. "Mixed DNA unexplained as to who these other donors are. ...."Attorney Bremner said Jonah Shacknai is seen on hospital surveillance video on the night of Zahau's death, but Dina Shacknai is not."

Link to article below:
http://www.cbs8.com/story/16068012/mixed-dna-all-over-zahau-death-scene-some-evidence-not-tested