Rebecca's Death

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I don't recall any mention of Adam's location or activities during the assumed time of Rebecca's death. He reportedly took a LTD with inconclusive results. Can it be claimed with certainty that he was not involved with her demise?

Where did the one blurry picture of Adam come from? Who released that picture to the press? Can it absolutely be verified to be Adam Shacknai?

As to the lack of defensive wounds-would we know if she were capable of fighting back? She had four head wounds that Dr. Cyril Wecht claimed were capable of rendering Rebecca unconscious. Why didn't Gore mention the head wounds at the September briefing?

I also believe that it was stated that Rebecca had mixed DNA under her fingernails. How did that get there? Was everyone examined for scratches? Of course not. So how can it be stated there was no struggle? That really cannot be proven now because of the lack of an initially thorough investigation.

Also, what was the purpose of the red blanket? Rebecca could have been ambushed. The red blanket may have been used to throw over her head and body to get her under control until she could be struck on the head and rendered unconscious.

The chair was overturned and the cell phone was on the floor so obviously some kind of commotion happened. Whose fingerprints were found on the cell phone and the chair? Why did the police rule out the possibility that a murderer wore gloves?

Why weren't any of these issues adequately and thoroughly addressed?

 

[Salem]

So we have two polygraphs of key people, one needed to be taken again (Adam) and the other (Nina) claimed she was too upset to take one (or something like that - suspicious). Why wouldn't they at least get her phone records?

There are just too many loose ends in this case. Dina really has no alibi per any evidence. I find that astounding.

I also found it interesting that the eye witness described completely different clothing/accessories than what Nina said she had on, but that was dismissed by LE. Interesting when they bothered to take Nina's clothing to check for evidence. No way do I think that was the clothing of the person seen at the house.

It is my understanding that LE cleared both parents. What did they use to clear Dina? Can you link it? Why do you say that Dina has no alibi?

Thanks,

Salem

 

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She couldn't put up much of a fight if she was knocked unconscious while exiting the shower, for instance. Hence, why she was nude, why a towel was found at the scene as well as explaining the multiple hemorrhages to her head.

Was the bathroom even thoroughly processed? I just read something a few days ago, I remember it surprised me and I thought it was about not testing some blood.

 

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It is my understanding that LE cleared both parents. What did they use to clear Dina? Can you link it? Why do you say that Dina has no alibi?

Thanks,

Salem

Salem... LE appears to be claiming she has an alibi because her phone was at the hospital. But to me, that does not say the person who owns the phone has an alibi. They do not have her on camera as being at the hospital and, as far as I know, no one at the hospital claimed she was there all night. So maybe I should be careful to say that we have not heard anything that really tells us where she was that night.

Originally Posted by *Lash* View Post

At the 9/2/2011 SDSO press conference Gore stated to the public that they confirmed Dina was at Children's Hospital.

On 11/17/2011 the question changed and his answer changed at the press briefing after the Dr. Phil show to "her GPS triangulation" was confirmed. Not Dina herself, but her phone. 9/2-

REPORTER: Can you confirm where Dina was that night?

GORE: She was at Children's Hospital. 11/17-

REPORTER: Dina on surveillance tape.

GORE: [Peruses document for 20 seconds] We don’t have her on surveillance tape. Her position was determined through GPS triangulation on her cell phone, which put her in the vicinity of Rady's Children's Hospital. http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.htmlhttp://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/index.html

 

[freespeech]

Was the bathroom even thoroughly processed? I just read something a few days ago, I remember it surprised me and I thought it was about not testing some blood.

Police did not test the blood in the shower. They assumed it was Rebecca's menstrual blood. However, in reality it could have been an assailant's blood because Rebecca had mixed DNA under her fingernails. Apparently she had showered so I wouldn't expect that to be there at that time unless she used her hands to try and defend herself.

 

[freespeech]

I think you misunderstood Gore. His reference was the window of Rebecca's death. Why would he even look at security video to prove times he already knew she was there? She met with doctors, didn't she? Did she remain mute to nurses and techs who flow nearly constantly in and out of an ICU room no matter the hour? Of course she wouldn't be seen on security video if she didn't leave/arrive at times other than when she said she did. It is impossible to produce video of actions that never happened.

In my experience, ICU staff do notice who is visiting in an ICU. Not just anyone is allowed to visit.

JMO

How did Gore know that Dina was at the hospital? Why did Gore believe the times Dina gave for being at the hospital? What proof do we have that she told the truth and did not leave?

 

[MyBelle]

It's not known if RZ was attacked by a woman or not, all anyone is trying to do is fill in the holes in the information available.

As to be willingly attacked, does anyone ever get willingly attacked? However, in a surprise attack, perhaps a blow to the head came while sleeping or in the shower, it could subdue anyone. Even a physically strong, athletic woman.

Again not enough is known publicly to state anything is fact. Which is why everything is in question.

Always MOO

Blows to the head resulting in loss of consciousness would show up on an autopsy.

 

[freespeech]

ITA. I am so tired right now I can't remember the name of the young woman who disappeared from a concert? But when they found her remains, which were little more than bones as I recall, LE covered them with some sort of tent which I presume was to protect them from the prying eyes of the sensation-seeking media eye in the sky.

And that is not the only case I've seen that kind of thing take place.

By contrast we have poor RZ lying naked in the sun for hours, and as you say, apart from the indignity and disrespect, it could have resulted in the loss of crucial evidence. :maddening:

Thanking you wasn't enough.

Does anyone in forensics know whether DNA evidence degrades when exposed to sunlight for long periods of time? What would be the rate and extent of degradation over 13 hours in mid July California sunlight during the hours of 7:00 a.m. until 7:00 p.m.

I would guess that Rebecca's remains suffered the MAXIMUM exposure. Would that exposure render mixed DNA uninterpretable?

 

[MyBelle]

How did Gore know that Dina was at the hospital? Why did Gore believe the times Dina gave for being at the hospital? What proof do we have that she told the truth and did not leave?

Gore cleared Dina. I'll repeat that I think it would be very easy to find witnesses who saw Dina at the hospital. You have yet to provide a link that proves she wasn't where she said she was.

JMO

 

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How did Gore know that Dina was at the hospital? Why did Gore believe the times Dina gave for being at the hospital? What proof do we have that she told the truth and did not leave?

I don't think he ever even said they validated via hospital video when she came and when she left (did Dina claim she came at 6 pm the night before and was still there at 7 in the morning?), did he? I realize now this all seems fuzzy. There was some discrepancy between the 6 pm and 8 pm time frame the night before. Jonah said he got back to the hospital at 8pm. Jonah says Dina was at the hospital at 7 am? Does he ever say she was at the hospital the entire time between 8 pm and 1 am? Jonah says he didn't leave the hospital to go to McD's until 1 am. I'd have to go check again, but we must already have this time line somewhere.

 

[inthedark14]

Blows to the head resulting in loss of consciousness would show up on an autopsy.

Of course they would.

But someone attacked, possibly hit in the head but not unconscious, scared, startled in their home late at night would probably be in a bit of shock right?

Even strong athletic people can be shocked, dazed by blows and subdued.

Especially if they think they won't come to any lasting harm, because they know their attacker.

Always MOO

 

[MyBelle]

How did Gore know that Dina was at the hospital? Why did Gore believe the times Dina gave for being at the hospital? What proof do we have that she told the truth and did not leave?

I'm not Sheriff Gore. He cleared Dina. I have no problem believing she was not alone.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Of course they would.

But someone attacked, possibly hit in the head but not unconscious, scared, startled in their home late at night would probably be in a bit of shock right?

Even strong athletic people can be shocked, dazed by blows and subdued.

Especially if they think they won't come to any lasting harm, because they know their attacker.

Always MOO

There is no evidence that RZ was attacked or incapable of fighting for her life.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

Gore cleared Dina. I'll repeat that I think it would be very easy to find witnesses who saw Dina at the hospital. You have yet to provide a link that proves she wasn't where she said she was.

JMO

MyBelle, I think the point here is that Becky's sister has commisioned AB to look into this and has petitioned KH to open a new investigation because there are still questions. No one is mandated to believe that because this was ruled a suicide they must believe in it if the facts don't add up.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting to question this and to want to know precisely how Gore knew that Dina remained at the hospital the entire night from 8:00 p.m. until Jonah allegedly arrived at 7:00 a.m. We know Dina's phone was at the hospital according to Gore. However, it is possible that Dina traded phones with her sister Nina. It is also within the realmn of possibility that Dina drove Jonah's car to the mansion and left her car at Rady to alibi herself. These are only possiblities being discussed because the police investigation did not clearly and transparently show how they knew what they claimed?

 

[freespeech]

There is no evidence that RZ was attacked or incapable of fighting for her life.

JMO

This thread is for discussing Rebecca's death. Many people according to the poll believed Rebecca was murdered. That is why AB submitted a request to KH to open an investigation.

Also Rebecca had mixed DNA under her fingernails after showering. Where did that come from? Why was there blood in the shower?

 

[freespeech]

There is no evidence that RZ was attacked or incapable of fighting for her life.

JMO

Cyril Wecht determined that the hemmorages found on Rebecca's head could have been caused by blows that could have rendered her unconscious. He strongly leant toward a findings of homicide in her case.

 

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Blows to the head resulting in loss of consciousness would show up on an autopsy.

There was evidence of blunt force trauma to Rebecca's head (posted again recently on here). No reason to think she had to be completely unconscious to be disabled or confused long enough for someone to further incapacitate her. Rebecca may have been in great shape and knew jiu jitsu (we don't kow), but other possible suspects that we know of were way bigger than her. As others have said, there could be reason to believe she was attacked in the bathroom. I fit was while she was in the shower, I'd think she would already be at a disadvantage.

Was it completely ruled out that she could have been strangled before she was hung?

 

[freespeech]

I'm not Sheriff Gore. He cleared Dina. I have no problem believing she was not alone.

JMO

I do have a problem with wondering whether Gore was biased or not. He publicaly misrepresented the results of Adam Shacknai's LDT.

 

[MyBelle]

MyBelle, I think the point here is that Becky's sister has commisioned AB to look into this and has petitioned KH to open a new investigation because there are still questions. No one is mandated to believe that because this was ruled a suicide they must believe in it if the facts don't add up.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people wanting to question this and to want to know precisely how Gore knew that Dina remained at the hospital the entire night from 8:00 p.m. until Jonah allegedly arrived at 7:00 a.m. We know Dina's phone was at the hospital according to Gore. However, it is possible that Dina traded phones with her sister Nina. It is also within the realmn of possibility that Dina drove Jonah's car to the mansion and left her car at Rady to alibi herself. These are only possiblities being discussed because the police investigation did not clearly and transparently show how they knew what they claimed?

The case hasn't been reopened. LE investigations usually are not transparent to the public. While you may want to know answers to your questions, nobody here can answer for the Sheriff. Dina does have a right to privacy and she isn't a suspect. The case is still ruled a suicide.

You're making some pretty wild allegations that both she, her sister and the Sheriff are all liars and possibly killers engaged in some kind of bizarre cover-up. I'm sorry but it is simply too far-fetched considering there was a a busy ICU/hospital complex where both Dina and Nina were seen and also bno evidence whatsoever of any kind of struggle on or anywhere near RZ's body.

JMO

 

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There is no evidence that RZ was attacked or incapable of fighting for her life.
JMO

In addition to the head injury Rebecca was tied with feet together. Was that to prevent kicking? Her hands were tied behind her back. Was that to keep her from fighting? She had unexplained tape reside on her legs. Were they taped to the chair during an interrogation? She had a thin ligature mark under the thicker rope mark. Was she garroted before he was hung? She had a blue tee shirt wrapped around her neck three times and stuffed in to her mouth. Was that done to keep her from crying for help?