Receipts Deep Dive

[okiedokietoo]

sorry realized someone else asked same question

Ok I have been on "pings" forever so this is new to me. Anyone know if LE can get CA credit card records, bank records? I remember reading or hearing in the interviews someone saying that KC used credit cards, not cash. Really think that there might be trash bags etc on some receipts.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Now that Casey is a Suspect, it changes the subpoena power of LE. They probably already have those statements and receipt copies from the creditor. Whether CA reports KC or wishes to press charges or not, if the creditor knows there has been fradulent activity on the account, they have a fiduciary duty to mitigate the risk from the debtor.

Hey Blink :wave:
I'm curious ... if LE did subpoena JCP for the CC statements would JCP have to tell CA that they turned them over to LE?
I find it very strange that CA would not let LE see those statements but what could be on those statements that she could she be hiding? Do you think it has something to do with the timeline?

 

[trac]

Hey Blink :wave:
I'm curious ... if LE did subpoena JCP for the CC statements would JCP have to tell CA that they turned them over to LE?
I find it very strange that CA would not let LE see those statements but what could be on those statements that she could she be hiding? Do you think it has something to do with the timeline?

No, the companies - say Visa or Mastercard, Chase, JC Penny, etc. do not have to tell the Anthony's that LE suponead these statments - I think out of courtesy they most likely sent a letter stating that these statements, by court order were sent to LE - and the Anthony's could do nothing

I don't know if they would have closed the accounts or not - were they current on paying? If they were then the accounts might still be open, not sure tho

 

[Samijeansg]

I can do that if you want. The Target reciepts have the items listed, brand, sz and what it is......Mossimo hoodie xs ( just an example) she bought bras, camis, clothes for herself, sun glasses, food. I saw on a couple reciepts sudafed, mucinex, goodys. Wonder who was sick. She bought NO diapers, wipes, kids clothes. Did ya notice she also didnt buy any personal girly hygiene products. Course didnt see condoms either.

She makes me sick! You all are doing a great job!

 

[liltigress]

Is this date and time correct on this picture of one of her Target shopping sprees?

I'm looking at that phone...

If it is the infamous blackjack, pings would show if she had activity on the cellular account we know about and could prove if she had a separate phone number and account for this phone.

ETA: The video of her walking into Target before her cart was full of bags also shows her using that same phone. It looks to be too big for a Nokia?...

There should be a few pings during her shopping spree from the pictures here.

 

[rlms56]

Didnt KC buy a huge pack of paper towels at Target? Why would she need all that paper toweling? Just throwing it out there to get others thoughts.

 

[SeekingJana]

This IS a beautiful thread..
First thing:
IF ( and it's a hypothetical IF) I was going to commit credit card fraud with one of my parent's credit cards, I would pick Amex, MC,VISA, and go to the high end shops and jewelry shops and buy high dollar designer things. UNLESS I needed to replace my wardrobe for some reason. Then, I would buy cheaper things in bulk, I suppose, and would do it at a " super center" type place like Wal Mart or one of the Super Targets or both.

It is very strange to me to see that many of the things Casey bought are what she is wearing in vid cam clips of her soon afterwards. I remember when I was 21. I did buy high end clothing because I was making a very good income already, and bought what I liked and could pay for. But, I didn't go around wearing what I had just bought. I had closets full of clothes, and I wore what I liked, whether it was last summer's or this summer's. I mixed older with new. Most people always do once they reach their normal adult size. We keep some things from previous seasons because they are truly special, high end purchases, or because they are exceptionally pretty on, or because the fit is great, etc.
So, what happend to Casey's other clothes?
Why is she walking around in new shoes, new jeans, a new hoodie, a new shirt, a new dress, new sunglasses bought from Target?
Looking at the photos of her wearing ONLY what seems to be the new stuff, it seems like something happened to a large amount of her clothing and had to replace it with a large amount of low cost items from Wal Mart and Target. Maybe people had to sort through tons of photos to find the images. If so, then this is not a valid train of thought. If people are matching up her receipts to the photos easily, then it may be possible that something happened to her " old clothes".

This truly makes me wonder if Casey ended up living without her usual clothing and had to replace it all at once. All of the undies, etc. Is this feasible to ask?
Maybe there's more to the Cindy/ Casey fallout than we know. Maybe her clothes ended up in a DUMPSTER weeks before her child got " dumped", literally.
ALSO, in a sick way, if Cindy had thrown Casey out, literally, it could also explain how sick twisted Casey got back at her with the credit card fraud. She bought/ stole new clothes to replace what she no longer had..and dumped the child that Cindy loved more than all else.

Since they lived in FL and it was the first of the summer, I would REALLY like to know if there are any receipts for swimsuits in all of the purchases!!!
I think it might be very telling if she bought 3 bikinis at once.

 

[sarah7855]

Didnt KC buy a huge pack of paper towels at Target? Why would she need all that paper toweling? Just throwing it out there to get others thoughts.

Not to defend her (because I'd rather saw my own arm off :bang, but those were on sale for like $6.00 IIRC, and that's a good deal as compared to the little 3 pack for 3.50 or whatever it normally costs. I'd buy 'em too. I go through paper towels like crazy. Also, since she was doing all the cooking and cleaning, being housewife of the year, lol, she probably had a use for them.

 

[Recovering-Lurker]

Is this date and time correct on this picture of one of her Target shopping sprees?

I'm looking at that phone...

If it is the infamous blackjack, pings would show if she had activity on the cellular account we know about and could prove if she had a separate phone number and account for this phone.

ETA: The video of her walking into Target before her cart was full of bags also shows her using that same phone. It looks to be too big for a Nokia?...

There should be a few pings during her shopping spree from the pictures here.

This was posted on the ping thread
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2794104&postcount=689

 

[laniefi]

I have been saying the same thing myself - she bought a whole new outfit - right down to the shoes. I DO NOT typically go to the store and buy a complete outfit and can't remember anyone else I have shopped with doing so. Even for special events (dances, prom, etc.) you typically find different items in different locations).

This definitely set off my radar as well...

 

[sarah7855]

Why is she walking around in new shoes, new jeans, a new hoodie, a new shirt, a new dress, new sunglasses bought from Target?
Looking at the photos of her wearing ONLY what seems to be the new stuff, it seems like something happened to a large amount of her clothing and had to replace it with a large amount of low cost items from Wal Mart and Target. Maybe people had to sort through tons of photos to find the images. If so, then this is not a valid train of thought. If people are matching up her receipts to the photos easily, then it may be possible that something happened to her " old clothes".

This truly makes me wonder if Casey ended up living without her usual clothing and had to replace it all at once. All of the undies, etc. Is this feasible to ask?

Respecfully snipped.
IMO, I think it's possible, but it may just be due to the fact that she wasn't living at her parent's house at the time, but most of her clothes were there. Remember how she kept having to go back to pick up clothes? She probably wore the stuff she just bought so often because she didn't have the rest of her clothes to "mix" it with other items from her wardrobe.

And, I don't remember seeing any items that appeared to be swimsuits, did anyone else?

 

[BondJamesBond]

It is very strange to me to see that many of the things Casey bought are what she is wearing in vid cam clips of her soon afterwards. I remember when I was 21. I did buy high end clothing because I was making a very good income already, and bought what I liked and could pay for. But, I didn't go around wearing what I had just bought.

*snipped*

IMHO, some of the return trips to G&C's post-6/16 were to pick-up clothes for the move in w/ Tony. In Tony's first statement to LE he referred to the 6/15 week very clearly as the time she brought most of her clothes over and moved into his place.

When Lee went to Tony's apartment late 7/15PM he picked up Casey's things and they were dumpted out @ G&C's. That is described in LE released docs in more detail, but, it doesn't give the impression there were many of Casey's clothes in what Lee brought back w/ him. Now, he may not have concerned himself w/ clothes that night...but, FWIW.

IMHO, during the transport in the Pontiac, Casey's clothes picked up enough decomp contamination that she could smell and she may have been worried about them having trace evidence on them, compelling her to dispose of them, hence, she needed new outfits. FWIW...it even appeared to me in the security cam pics that she's changed her outfit slightly between her ~10:30AM Target trip and her ~Noontime Target trip. She at least threw a shirt on over her dark shirt and changed sunglasses (in 1.5 hrs!!). Maybe she thought she was disguising herself so she wouldn't be recognized by the cashiers

Recall, Casey was a fan of the CSI show, and while it doesn't appear she was too careful about many other aspects of the crime...IMHO, the CSI shows tend to play up the whole found-a-piece-of-trace-evidence-on-perps-clothes/car/etc. and the case is solved...hence, she may have just tossed the 'smelly' stuff.

...not trying to drive this thread off into the decomp-smell ditch. Just wanted to comment to this observation that seems relevant to the Target purchases.

 

[suzet]

I thought perhaps KC needed to replace all her clothes because many clothes she owned previously got ruined with decomp, mud, grass stains, etc from 6/15-6-27 (?). Who knows how many times she handled that body or went back to it's locations. And with all that dna evidence, it all had to go, shoes, undies, bras, everything!

 

[suzet]

I, for one, am DYING to know what was purchased from 6/15 to 7/4.

 

[SeekingJana]

*snipped*

IMHO, some of the return trips to G&C's post-6/16 were to pick-up clothes for the move in w/ Tony. In Tony's first statement to LE he referred to the 6/15 week very clearly as the time she brought most of her clothes over and moved into his place.

When Lee went to Tony's apartment late 7/15PM he picked up Casey's things and they were dumpted out @ G&C's. That is described in LE released docs in more detail, but, it doesn't give the impression there were many of Casey's clothes in what Lee brought back w/ him. Now, he may not have concerned himself w/ clothes that night...but, FWIW.

IMHO, during the transport in the Pontiac, Casey's clothes picked up enough decomp contamination that she could smell and she may have been worried about them having trace evidence on them, compelling her to dispose of them, hence, she needed new outfits. FWIW...it even appeared to me in the security cam pics that she's changed her outfit slightly between her ~10:30AM Target trip and her ~Noontime Target trip. She at least threw a shirt on over her dark shirt and changed sunglasses (in 1.5 hrs!!). Maybe she thought she was disguising herself so she wouldn't be recognized by the cashiers

Recall, Casey was a fan of the CSI show, and while it doesn't appear she was too careful about many other aspects of the crime...IMHO, the CSI shows tend to play up the whole found-a-piece-of-trace-evidence-on-perps-clothes/car/etc. and the case is solved...hence, she may have just tossed the 'smelly' stuff.

...not trying to drive this thread off into the decomp-smell ditch. Just wanted to comment to this observation that seems relevant to the Target purchases.

I definitely think Casey was STUCK without income of her own and needing new clothes- a lot of basics, cheap stuff- in a hurry. That's what it looks like to me. Maybe Cindy totally understands why the " theft" was done. It was necessary, if one follows their way of thinking.

Your theory about the decomp and DNA, etc makes quite a lot of sense.
IF she revisted or moved little Caylee's body often, yes, it would make sense to anyone.. OR maybe she had or still has a " Lady McBeth" type reaction formation to the murder and all of her belongings from that time.

I would definitely think purses fit in there too. Women are terribly attached to their purse and the things they carry around in them all the time.
Would like to know if she bought a purse, a wallet, cosmetic bag and new makeup, address book, whatever 21 year olds put in their purses.

There was too much bought and then worn almost immediately for it not to mean something significant, IMO.

Thanks to all who are responding to my line of thinking and questions. I appreciate it.

Maria

 

[SeekingJana]

Respecfully snipped.
IMO, I think it's possible, but it may just be due to the fact that she wasn't living at her parent's house at the time, but most of her clothes were there. Remember how she kept having to go back to pick up clothes? She probably wore the stuff she just bought so often because she didn't have the rest of her clothes to "mix" it with other items from her wardrobe.

And, I don't remember seeing any items that appeared to be swimsuits, did anyone else?

Well, I don't buy that she was going to their house for a few items of clothing at a time unless she was homeless. I have moved from one apt to another when I was her age, and my clothing was stacked up carefully in my back seat and trunk. I moved 2 walk in closets of clothes at one time. Shoes- tons of shoes. Lingerie, you name it, it got moved in less than 24 hours.
I am a clothes horse, I know normal, and what Casey did both with regard to the stolen credit card purchases and the clothes which supposedly were at her parents house isn't adding up to me.

I am following Bond's line of reasoning and wondering if maybe her clothes actually contacted the remains of her daughter at some point in the back seat, trunk, whatever of her parent's car?
Did Casey even have a car? Something's just not right about the car and the clothes. She took the parents' car, she bought clothes with their money. Apparently, this was NOT the way she usually did things. In other words, they didn't give her carte blanche to use their things as a normal rule.

I think desperation drove her to do these things, not her warped sense of entitlement and pathological lying. Not this time. These qualities helped the story along, but are not the root cause.

 

[Dutchie Treat]

This has been bothering me for awhile now and it was brought up again by LP in connection with the cell pings and KC calling JCP from CA and GA's house. In addition, LP alluded to the fact that JCP was going to prove to be very important to the case in a NG episode. (I will try to find the link in the transcripts but from my work in the Netherlands I can't always open the files).

Please help, fellow sleuths:

1. What did KC buy at JCP?
2. Is it something that will incriminate her?
3. Why did CA retain certain receipts and credit statements saying that there was nothing relevant on them? (in HER opinion!!)
4. Why did KC call JCP later? Did she want to check if there had been any inquiries? Did she want to know where the statement was and if it was to be sent?

What could be so damning?

 

[Marina2]

I think she bought something to wear to the "all white party" at Fusian that night.

I don't know how damning that will be. If they find a body and can show that she disposed of it right before her shopping trip to JCPenny that will show a very cold and callous person imo.

 

[shadow of my mind]

This has been bothering me for awhile now and it was brought up again by LP in connection with the cell pings and KC calling JCP from CA and GA's house. In addition, LP alluded to the fact that JCP was going to prove to be very important to the case in a NG episode. (I will try to find the link in the transcripts but from my work in the Netherlands I can't always open the files).

Please help, fellow sleuths:

1. What did KC buy at JCP?
2. Is it something that will incriminate her?
3. Why did CA retain certain receipts and credit statements saying that there was nothing relevant on them? (in HER opinion!!)
4. Why did KC call JCP later? Did she want to check if there had been any inquiries? Did she want to know where the statement was and if it was to be sent?

What could be so damning?

At this point nothing has been released as far as any Anthony finacials. We only know of the JC P purchase becasue of Lee's comment to LE in his interview about there was a purchaed on 6/27 but the receipt was missing. We have a cell phone call to JC P's credit department and a couple of more calls back to that same credit department number.

The million dollar question is does CA know that whatever shows on that statement will not be good for Casey or someone else in the family or is CA just being her normal self and is dosen't want anyone to know what goes on within the household. LOL a little to late for that.

 

[Nemo]

Good question. A body disposal container?