Related Issues and Food for Thought

[Kamille]

People either like rap or they don't in my opinion. It is not an acquired taste MOO

In my opinion it does not influence the mindset and actions of someone who chooses to murder either.

MOO

 

[swedie]

People either like rap or they don't in my opinion. It is not an acquired taste MOO

I have to strongly disagree with your opinion Tamarind. Many young people (that is who tends to be drawn to this genre) are flexible and change their taste for many different things in life such as; choice of music, fashion, personal appearance, attitudes, personalities, friendships, etc. MOO.

 

[swedie]

In my opinion it does not influence the mindset and actions of someone who chooses to murder either.

MOO

Reminds me of how D Derstine tried to raise reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors by constantly referring to TLM's choice of music and how it affected her mindset and influenced her to be a child murderer. :slap:

 

[redheadedgal]

People either like rap or they don't in my opinion. It is not an acquired taste MOO

i like several rap songs but certainly not all rap.

No rap music on DM's list of music likes.

then i guess the "like" for a show about a serial killer should mean something.

 

[Tamarind]

i like several rap songs but certainly not all rap.




then i guess the "like" for a show about a serial killer should mean something.

I like the movies he has liked on fB.I think the movies represent a philosophical mindset. The Matrix is one of my personal favourites. JMO

I think the selected movies make you think more than the average movie.

 

[swedie]

Sorry, I'm not comfortable posting links to personal Facebook pages. With all the previous discussions regarding his tastes in movies and music, I'm quite sure most already know his account.

No problemo, I found what you were referring to and IMO that list was likely created years ago when DM first made his account. I tend to believe he had a larger selection of musical preferences then those mere five choices. JMO.

 

[swedie]

<rsbm>

LOL swedie ... sounding familiar and I know we talked about it but I just can't remember if I read it. Head's fried with all the reading I've done over the years. IIRC, Ramsland is also one of the top forensic psychologists.

FWIW, as a bit of an aside, Hare's PCL-R (Psychopathy Check List - Revised) was based on the original PCL by Hervey Cleckley ("Mask of Sanity"). It is the standardized measurement of psychopathy utilized in the DSM manuals.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...%20the%20DSM_IV.pdf+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Speaking of the Hare's Psychopathy Check List, here's someone who passed the test with flying colours and rightfully earned himself the psychopath title. Why was this monster walking the streets? He won't be any more thankfully. MOO.

May 29, 2015 Hamilton, ON
Greene is, Chaimowitz testified, a psychopath. In fact, during tests administered by Chaimowitz and his colleague, Greene scored higher on Hare's Psychopath Checklist — Revised (the accepted test for psychopathy) than anyone Chaimowitz had ever tested before. And as the head of forensic psychiatry at St. Joseph's Hospital, and a frequent expert witness in the courts, Chaimowitz has seen, and tested, many.

The decade or so of Greene's adult court records suggest a life lived as if death was a dear destination, and violence the fuel. No fewer than 65 criminal convictions — a full 30 of which involved violence.

Many of his victims were women — at least two were children — and nearly all had something he wanted: money, a car, attention, devotion, obedience, or just the satisfaction of demonstrating his dominance.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5...-psychopath-i-ain-t-the-fish-i-am-the-shark-/

 

[Tamarind]

Speaking of the Hare's Psychopathy Check List, here's someone who passed the test with flying colours and rightfully earned himself the psychopath title. Why was this monster walking the streets? He won't be any more thankfully. MOO.

May 29, 2015 Hamilton, ON
Greene is, Chaimowitz testified, a psychopath. In fact, during tests administered by Chaimowitz and his colleague, Greene scored higher on Hare's Psychopath Checklist — Revised (the accepted test for psychopathy) than anyone Chaimowitz had ever tested before. And as the head of forensic psychiatry at St. Joseph's Hospital, and a frequent expert witness in the courts, Chaimowitz has seen, and tested, many.

The decade or so of Greene's adult court records suggest a life lived as if death was a dear destination, and violence the fuel. No fewer than 65 criminal convictions — a full 30 of which involved violence.

Many of his victims were women — at least two were children — and nearly all had something he wanted: money, a car, attention, devotion, obedience, or just the satisfaction of demonstrating his dominance.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5...-psychopath-i-ain-t-the-fish-i-am-the-shark-/

I think most 1st degree murders are because someone wants something, ranging from money to satisfaction/pleasure. I haven't heard of a 1st degree murder that was done for the sake of it JMO.

Not all murderers are psychopaths. Kevorkian for example would no doubt be offended by such a description. Just recently I met a psychopath, he holds a good job and has a permanent shake when angry. His words belie the truth that lives in his facial expressions and fixed glare. Just my opinion of course but not all have the ability to dodge the psycho test.

 

[Tamarind]

I have to strongly disagree with your opinion Tamarind. Many young people (that is who tends to be drawn to this genre) are flexible and change their taste for many different things in life such as; choice of music, fashion, personal appearance, attitudes, personalities, friendships, etc. MOO.

I am ok with agreeing to disagree Swedie. Influence and social adaptation was not what I was referring to. I'm sure many teens will like what their friends like (at least for the social aspect).

I am flexible too. I will tolerate country music but I am not a fan of it. I do like the odd country song but not the genre, I think it depends on whether the rhythm appeals to me. So I think it is possible to like an odd rap ( or whatever) song and not be a fan of rap, or country or blues generally.

 

[Alethea Dice]

i like several rap songs but certainly not all rap.




then i guess the "like" for a show about a serial killer should mean something.

Maybe that he has good taste in TV shows? That show had a huge audience, many award nominations and gave Showtime some of it's highest ratings. And let's not forget, that serial killer only killed criminals who the justice system didn't get, the ones many people would have wanted the death penalty for.

JMO

 

[swedie]

I think most 1st degree murders are because someone wants something, ranging from money to satisfaction/pleasure. I haven't heard of a 1st degree murder that was done for the sake of it JMO.

Not all murderers are psychopaths. Kevorkian for example would no doubt be offended by such a description. Just recently I met a psychopath, he holds a good job and has a permanent shake when angry. His words belie the truth that lives in his facial expressions and fixed glare. Just my opinion of course but not all have the ability to dodge the psycho test.

BBM - Not sure if you're referring to the article I linked or if your post just fell at random. This monster did not murder anyone in this case if that's what you perceived. :waitasec: Greene did what he did becausenearly all had something he wanted: money, a car, attention, devotion, obedience, or just the satisfaction of demonstrating his dominance.

I'm well aware of what psychopath is. And not all psychopaths are murderers. And many are unrecognisable to the untrained person. HTH and MOO.

First fact I listed UBM, coincidental? I don't know, but there's food for thought. DM is in segregation while MS is in general population. 30% if you figure it out statistically, that's like saying the three accused (CN, MS and DM) in Tim's case and figuring one of them is likely to be a psychopathy. And last point being, DM is charged with three murders. ALL MOO.

KEY THINGS TO THINK ABOUT: (left column)
&#8226;42 per cent of psychopaths commit assaults while in custody &#8212; 2.5 times the rate of non-psychopaths
&#8226;Not all psychopaths are criminals &#8212; but a lot of criminals have been diagnosed psychopaths (studies say up to 30 per cent of jailed offenders in Canada)
&#8226;Psychopaths are three times more likely to criminally reoffend and four times more likely to violently reoffend than nonpsychopathic offenders.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5...-psychopath-i-ain-t-the-fish-i-am-the-shark-/

 

[Kamille]

Maybe that he has good taste in TV shows? That show had a huge audience, many award nominations and gave Showtime some of it's highest ratings. And let's not forget, that serial killer only killed criminals who the justice system didn't get, the ones many people would have wanted the death penalty for.

JMO

Or maybe he just had an interest in a show about a serial killer.

MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Or maybe he just had an interest in a show about a serial killer.

MOO

Well, that's what the show is about, so I guess technically, he had an interest in a show about a serial killer - along with over 2 million other viewers.

http://variety.com/2013/tv/ratings/showtimes-dexter-goes-out-with-series-high-ratings-1200662066/

If the suggestion is that he watched the show because he wanted to murder people, I wonder what took him 7 years to get started on that.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

BBM - Not sure if you're referring to the article I linked or if your post just fell at random. This monster did not murder anyone in this case if that's what you perceived. :waitasec: Greene did what he did becausenearly all had something he wanted: money, a car, attention, devotion, obedience, or just the satisfaction of demonstrating his dominance.

I'm well aware of what psychopath is. And not all psychopaths are murderers. And many are unrecognisable to the untrained person. HTH and MOO.

First fact I listed UBM, coincidental? I don't know, but there's food for thought. DM is in segregation while MS is in general population. 30% if you figure it out statistically, that's like saying the three accused (CN, MS and DM) in Tim's case and figuring one of them is likely to be a psychopathy. And last point being, DM is charged with three murders. ALL MOO.

KEY THINGS TO THINK ABOUT: (left column)
&#8226;42 per cent of psychopaths commit assaults while in custody &#8212; 2.5 times the rate of non-psychopaths
&#8226;Not all psychopaths are criminals &#8212; but a lot of criminals have been diagnosed psychopaths (studies say up to 30 per cent of jailed offenders in Canada)
&#8226;Psychopaths are three times more likely to criminally reoffend and four times more likely to violently reoffend than nonpsychopathic offenders.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5...-psychopath-i-ain-t-the-fish-i-am-the-shark-/

Hmmm....

Smich has been at this jail since Aug. 26, when he was transferred from the Niagara Detention Centre. There, he says, they kept putting him in segregation.

He says he gets outside, but not often &#8212; especially now that he&#8217;s in segregation again.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/12/tim_bosma_murder_men_accused_of_slaying_say_they_want_to_tell_their_story_but_cant.html

I wonder why he keeps getting put back in solitary? Committing assaults while in custody maybe? JMO

Sporting a black eye and a cut on his cheek, the second man accused of murdering Tim Bosma cowered in the prisoner's box during his first court appearance.

Extra security was brought in for his appearance, which lasted 10 minutes.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3236885-clairmont-accused-bosma-killer-cowers-in-court/

Just a tad violent maybe? JMO

His criminal record goes back to when he was 18, including two convictions from drug possession charges, two fail to comply convictions and one conviction for impaired driving.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/23/tim_bosma_homicide_second_suspect_mark_smich_appears_in_court.html

Repeat offender? JMO

He was also charged with mischief under $5,000 for spray-painting an Oakville overpass in October 2012. Those charges have not yet been resolved. He will next appear on June 3.

I wonder what ever happened with these charges back on the court date of June 3, 2013? I guess it wouldn't really matter since, if he did happen to receive any jail time for it, it wouldn't last nearly as long as his wait time in jail for the murder trial to begin.

JMO

 

[swedie]

Well, that's what the show is about, so I guess technically, he had an interest in a show about a serial killer - along with over 2 million other viewers.

http://variety.com/2013/tv/ratings/showtimes-dexter-goes-out-with-series-high-ratings-1200662066/

If the suggestion is that he watched the show because he wanted to murder people, I wonder what took him 7 years to get started on that.

JMO

AD are you suggesting it's far fetched DM was inspired to murder by watching Dexter? If DM took lessons from watching Dexter, he wasn't the first to put those lessons learnt into action. Do you know that DM watched it for those seven years prior to murdering his first victim? If so, how big of a fan was DM that he watched it faithfully/regularly? Obviously those influenced by Dexter to carry out murders suffer from some mental disorder unlike the two million others who watch the show, HTH.

Interesting point, DM was 27 when he murdered LB. IIRC median age of a male killer is 27.5
ALL MOO.

Teen obsessed with TV killer Dexter jailed for 25 years for butchering girlfriend

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/518101/Teen-obsessed-Dexter-butchers-girlfriend-copycat-murder

Mark Twitchell, Dexter Killer, In Prison Watching The Show That Inspired Him To Kill

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/07/mark-twitchell-watching-dexter-prison_n_3232757.html

'Dexter made me do it': Teenager who murdered brother, 10, claims he was inspired by hit TV show

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-TV-Dexter-murder-brother.html#ixzz3c1tvvbqU

Mark Howe, 21, was sentenced in England for killing his mother. He showed no visible reaction. He&#8217;s just one of several killers who had a thing for the fictional blood spatter analyst, Dexter Morgan, from Showtime&#8217;s popular series.

Then there&#8217;s Jessica Lopez, an S&M practitioner, who strangled another woman, saying that it was as if &#8220;Dexter had spoken directly to me.&#8221;

In Sweden, a young women (unnamed in press reports) went out with her stepfather and ended the evening by plunging a knife into him and slitting his throat. She admitted to a passion for Dexter.

Nyfløt claimed that after watching one episode of Dexter after another, he&#8217;d decided that Khan was &#8220;vermin&#8221; who &#8220;fit the code like in the series&#8221; and should be punished.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shadow-boxing/201401/the-dexter-murders

 

[matou]

So I guess we can make many assumptions about DM based on what he DOESN'T like on his fb?

 

[swedie]

Hmmm....





http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/12/tim_bosma_murder_men_accused_of_slaying_say_they_want_to_tell_their_story_but_cant.html

I wonder why he keeps getting put back in solitary? Committing assaults while in custody maybe? JMO





http://www.thespec.com/news-story/3236885-clairmont-accused-bosma-killer-cowers-in-court/

Just a tad violent maybe? JMO



http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/23/tim_bosma_homicide_second_suspect_mark_smich_appears_in_court.html

Repeat offender? JMO



I wonder what ever happened with these charges back on the court date of June 3, 2013? I guess it wouldn't really matter since, if he did happen to receive any jail time for it, it wouldn't last nearly as long as his wait time in jail for the murder trial to begin.

JMO

Or maybe he has been the victim of assaults by other jail birds? That sounds more logical. He wouldn't be the first to deny assault in jail to protect his own skin should other inmates get their hands on the daily news in print. Considering the black eye he sported in his first court appearance, I suggest that was due to his take down or another prison was aware of TB's case and didn't like the accusations MS was charged in TB's murder. Close friends have said MS is a good guy, a friendly guy who would do anything for anyone. Although MS has a rap sheet of petty crimes against him, none are violence related.

Smich almost ends the visit twice, but when he cannot get the guard&#8217;s attention, he sits back down. The 26-year-old wells up when asked about his family, friends &#8212; but nods to acknowledge they do keep in touch, they do visit.
Smich shook his head when asked about a mischief charge he received last year for allegedly spray-painting graffiti on an overpass in Oakville, saying it would be a stretch to link that to &#8220;what I&#8217;m in here for now.&#8221;
While he assumes many of the other inmates recognize his name and his high-profile case, he says he has not been targeted in any way. He says he gets outside, but not often &#8212; especially now that he&#8217;s in segregation again.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...y_they_want_to_tell_their_story_but_cant.html

BBM - "keeps getting put back"... Do you have a number on what you're claiming? BTW it's not solitary it's considered segregation. There are two types of segregation: disciplinary segregation and administrative segregation HTH. MS has the choice whether he wants to be in GP or segregation. Does DM? ALL MOO.

Nothing in his history to show he has violent tendencies. Not even the gore video a friend asked him to participate in. That would be like saying Dexter is an actual murderer based on his shows.

The friend said she has known the Smich family for years and doesn&#8217;t believe the accused, aged 25, is a person who would commit such a crime.

&#8220;The accusations are quite concerning. We just don&#8217;t know him as a person who would do such a thing,&#8221; she said.

&#8220;He&#8217;s very social. He has a lot of friends. He&#8217;s very family oriented. He loves his sisters and mother. He really takes a part in her life. He&#8217;s a positive, good person.&#8221;

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-st...akville-s-smich-shocked-by-murder-accusation/

He is &#8220;an amazing person. He&#8217;s a sweetheart, he&#8217;ll do anything for you. He&#8217;s just a really good person,&#8221; said Cora Dacunha, adding that she set him up with his girlfriend before she continued crying.

http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/

A woman who called the Toronto Sun claiming to be JayDolo&#8217;s mother said Smich is &#8220;like a brother&#8221; to her son, JayDolo the rapper, and referred to Smich as being like family.

&#8220;(Smich) used to help me, move furniture, he used to call me mom,&#8221; she said.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/23/tim-bosma-case-what-we-know-about-accused-mark-smich

Repeat offender of what?

Perhaps his case of mischief under $5000 has already been dealt with and we were not privy to that information. Perhaps MS was found not guilty. Apparently his partner in crime is well known to LE and shows violent tendencies. MOO

Mischief is a common criminal offence in Toronto often stemming from the damaging of property that an accused does not own. In addition to damaging property, charges can also arise from interfering with someone else&#8217;s property or denying them access to it. It is also an offence to threaten to cause damage to property you do not own. The owner of the property relating to the mischief charge is usually an individual, a corporation, or a government entity.

Most defendants have never heard of the criminal offense of mischief before they are charged. Nevertheless, it is extremely easy to be charged with this offense and Toronto police often press charges in cases involving very little or arguably zero quantifiable damage. Defendants facing a mischief charge risk obtaining a criminal conviction record and, in some cases, going to jail.

http://www.torontomischieflawyer.ca/mischiefunder5000.htm

 

[Arnie M]

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On the subject of phones ....

Boy I wish we could get a glimpse behind the scenes as police work on this case. But that will not happen so it is left up to our imagination for now

Obviously police have the records for the burner phone used to call Tim and the other truck owner , depending if they left the phone on or not , police would be able to map out some locations when it was used. I wonder if DM ever used it from near his home or hangar , he may never have considered it could come back to haunt him

And then his personal cell phone , if it was left on during the drive to TB's or to the other test drive it would also make a nice map for police to use in court.

Even to the smallest detail , the call on the anonymous phone to TB would have been made a couple of hours earlier , and if DM's personal cell was pinged to the same area police could use that in court.

That would also apply to MS's phone if he had one , and for all we know police could have mapped out the drive when DM picked up MS and then headed to Trinity Road .

They may have been "smart enough" to turn them all off during those times but I doubt it , they would be counting on the anonymity of the disposable phone to keep them in the clear.

Turns out police did mention where the phone was used .....

(from the article) ... Police said that phone records revealed that one of the suspect’s had obtained a cellphone under a fake name three months ago, with most calls made in Toronto’s west end. That phone has not been used since Bosma’s disappearance. http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-man-arrested-in-timothy-bosma-case-1.1277200

It appears DM used the phone several times in the months before the test drive .... would be interesting to know who received those calls and if they will have any relevance to the murder or illegal purchases or whatever ....

 

[Arnie M]

Further to the moniker SAY10 .....

(From the article) .... MARK SMICH, 25 ..... His father, Andrew, said he hasn’t had recent contact with him. He lived with his mother in a quiet part of Oakville and was involved with the local indie rap scene. He used the name “SAY10.”

http://metronews.ca/news/hamilton/685845/the-tim-bosma-case-in-focus/

The same article also indicates police do have some good video of the Yukon ....

(From the article) ... Police have said Bosma’s truck was followed by a second vehicle the night he was abducted. That vehicle was a dark blue Yukon SUV owned by Dellen Millard, according to police. They say only a driver was inside.

 

[Tamarind]

Or maybe he has been the victim of assaults by other jail birds? That sounds more logical. He wouldn't be the first to deny assault in jail to protect his own skin should other inmates get their hands on the daily news in print. Considering the black eye he sported in his first court appearance, I suggest that was due to his take down or another prison was aware of TB's case and didn't like the accusations MS was charged in TB's murder. Close friends have said MS is a good guy, a friendly guy who would do anything for anyone. Although MS has a rap sheet of petty crimes against him, none are violence related.

Smich almost ends the visit twice, but when he cannot get the guard&#8217;s attention, he sits back down. The 26-year-old wells up when asked about his family, friends &#8212; but nods to acknowledge they do keep in touch, they do visit.
Smich shook his head when asked about a mischief charge he received last year for allegedly spray-painting graffiti on an overpass in Oakville, saying it would be a stretch to link that to &#8220;what I&#8217;m in here for now.&#8221;
While he assumes many of the other inmates recognize his name and his high-profile case, he says he has not been targeted in any way. He says he gets outside, but not often &#8212; especially now that he&#8217;s in segregation again.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...y_they_want_to_tell_their_story_but_cant.html

BBM - "keeps getting put back"... Do you have a number on what you're claiming? BTW it's not solitary it's considered segregation. There are two types of segregation: disciplinary segregation and administrative segregation HTH. MS has the choice whether he wants to be in GP or segregation. Does DM? ALL MOO.

Can you point me to where it says he has a choice?, thank you Swedie.

Nothing in his history to show he has violent tendencies. Not even the gore video a friend asked him to participate in. That would be like saying Dexter is an actual murderer based on his shows.

I don't recall DM being involved in a gore video that was seeming to rip someones heart out. So presumably DM has no inclination to even star in a gore video. JMO

The friend said she has known the Smich family for years and doesn&#8217;t believe the accused, aged 25, is a person who would commit such a crime.

&#8220;The accusations are quite concerning. We just don&#8217;t know him as a person who would do such a thing,&#8221; she said.

&#8220;He&#8217;s very social. He has a lot of friends. He&#8217;s very family oriented. He loves his sisters and mother. He really takes a part in her life. He&#8217;s a positive, good person.&#8221;

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-st...akville-s-smich-shocked-by-murder-accusation/

He is &#8220;an amazing person. He&#8217;s a sweetheart, he&#8217;ll do anything for you. He&#8217;s just a really good person,&#8221; said Cora Dacunha, adding that she set him up with his girlfriend before she continued crying.

http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/

A woman who called the Toronto Sun claiming to be JayDolo&#8217;s mother said Smich is &#8220;like a brother&#8221; to her son, JayDolo the rapper, and referred to Smich as being like family.

&#8220;(Smich) used to help me, move furniture, he used to call me mom,&#8221; she said.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/23/tim-bosma-case-what-we-know-about-accused-mark-smich

Repeat offender of what?

Perhaps his case of mischief under $5000 has already been dealt with and we were not privy to that information. Perhaps MS was found not guilty. Apparently his partner in crime is well known to LE and shows violent tendencies. MOO

Mischief is a common criminal offence in Toronto often stemming from the damaging of property that an accused does not own. In addition to damaging property, charges can also arise from interfering with someone else&#8217;s property or denying them access to it. It is also an offence to threaten to cause damage to property you do not own. The owner of the property relating to the mischief charge is usually an individual, a corporation, or a government entity.

I am not concerned about the mischief, so it doesn't matter to me what people say about it. Just like family and friends will naturally defend their kin and friends, that is not a surprise.
Just like DM's family and friends stand by him. Really nothing out of the ordinary IMO.

Most defendants have never heard of the criminal offense of mischief before they are charged. Nevertheless, it is extremely easy to be charged with this offense and Toronto police often press charges in cases involving very little or arguably zero quantifiable damage. Defendants facing a mischief charge risk obtaining a criminal conviction record and, in some cases, going to jail.[/I]

http://www.torontomischieflawyer.ca/mischiefunder5000.htm

Overall all these little distractions, favourite TV shows, comments by friends, graffiti are totally irrelevant in my opinion for both accused. It distracts from the core of the matter. I am hoping the true facts will be revealed at trial and I don't think anyone is going to give a tinkers toss about the peripheral trivialities once the scrolls are revealed as they say. JMO