Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/05-08 In recess

[Meemaw12]

Meemaw, I am really concerned about this case. I walk away and come back. I thought the sentencing phase would be short and sweet, thought it was a done deal. The defense is retrying the case and the judge is allowing it. Since there is a new jury, with trial no more than two days a week, with all the computer stuff being thrown at everyone, and possibly the *advertiser censored* coming in, and secret witnesses, it muddies the waters for the facts of the prosecution's case. Apparently, morals and ethics mean NOTHING to defense lawyers anymore. I can actually see her walking away due to some type of mistrial or appeal. I cannot fathom why JSS let it get to this place. If this sentencing phase ends with an actual sentence I will be surprised. If she receives a DP sentence, I will be shocked.

Westerfield is a man who raped and murdered a child. It is apparent that jurors go softer on women than on men, which is grossly unfair. Then you get defense counsel who bring in psychologists who hate men to lie for Jodi. So even though she admitted the killing, and even though Juan Martinez has the evidence, I am left with a sickening feeling in my stomach. I just have to sometimes get away from it all. I wish Travis's family could walk away. My heart goes out to them.

As for JSS, she is a major disappointment. I pray she never gets another death penalty case before her.

Well said and I completely agree with what you have written. I just keep thinking rebuttal is coming. Mr M will put it all back in prospective. By the end of the trial (hope I live long enough to see it) either the jury will trust Mr M or the defense. IF they trust Mr M they will use his facts to reach a decision if not they will go with the def. I have never served on a jury but I think that is what happens.

It's sad that a trial can be conducted this way, but it is the American way. Seems the defendant has all the rights, victim has none.

I agree about the judge, she needs to rein in the def and hopefully tomorrow she will. I'm sure she is hearing in AZ how disgusted people are. It seems in death penalty cases, the def is allowed the broadest latitude to present a case even if it's a lie. It's up to the jury to figure out if there's mitigation or not.

Having to hear about this trial by Twitter is making it harder to get a feeling how it is going for me anyway. For me I think wow Mr M put on a compelling case, then came the defense and it's been a wreck since and IMO def wants it that way so the jury will get lost in the look here not over there. Then Mr M will get back up and bam we are back to reality. Now if the jury feels that way dunno. Seems to me the delays will hurt the def also dunno. The hardest part for the judge is to keep this jury intact so she will have to do something. Maybe #3 asking to get off is what is bringing the status hearing tomorrow. After it she will have to decide to extend court hrs. stop some of the crap etc. after all she told jury Dec 18th. I would think her superiors might counsel her on getting it over with.

We shall see how this week goes.

 

[bznbear]

You know, whoever it was (sorry I can't remember) that first posted they believe that JA wanted to testify in secret because she's testifying that her father or some other adult male sexually abused her as a child was probably right on the money. Which explains why it's so important for her to get this testimony about *advertiser censored*, child *advertiser censored* and pedophilia on the part of TA into this phase. I suppose it will all be tied together with the concept that because she was sexually abused as a child, this was the reason she allowed TA to "abuse and exploit" her. And that something just "snapped" in her when he lunged at her because of her childhood sexual abuse and the way TA treated her because he was a pedophile and into *advertiser censored* himself. She was getting revenge on her "abuser" based on her childhood trauma...blah blah blah.

And of course the reason why she wanted to do it in secret was because this is such a deep seated psychological issue with her that she couldn't bring herself to discuss it in open court in the first trial, which hurt her case. So of course she needed complete secrecy to do it in the sentencing phase. Because it took everything she had to discuss it in front of this jury but there's no way she could discuss it in front of the rest of the public.

Yep...I can see this being the new route she's chosen to take. And of course being forced to discuss it in open court after the COA ruling will just be another "whoa is me" bonus for her. I can see her doing a complete about face in the way she testifies about her "abuse" and especially in the way she handles JM. She'll go complete victim on him if he gets the chance to cross her.

Otherwise I can't see the "TA was a pedophile who deserved to die" line of reasoning being much of a mitigating factor here. :waitasec:

MOO

It's possible, but still doesn't explain why JSS sealed the entire court to spare Bill's feelings.

 

[Kamille]

I think his ego is so great that he wants to testify, to even the score with JM. Same with MF. Why doesn't BN know what Incinerator 2.3 is?

Either he's playing dumb because it was used and he knows it or he is NOT a computer expert IMO.

 

[Kamille]

It's possible, but still doesn't explain why JSS sealed the entire court to spare Bill's feelings.

Nothing to do will Bill's feelings. He's probably in on it if that's what's happening. Might even be one of the new witnesses. Or she's using another male family member or friend, possibly now deceased, in her "story". The reason for the secrecy is to explain why she didn't tell anyone about this "abuse" in the first trial. It is so psychologically traumatizing to her that she just couldn't bring herself to do it. But now that she has a second chance to save her life, she realizes how important it is. But she still wanted to tell this story in secrecy because it is so difficult for her and wasn't aware she could ask for this in the first trial.

Now this is just my speculation and if she is doing this I totally believe it's all a complete lie.

MOO

 

[Myvice]

IIRC, the day before juror#3 left, SS asked how much time Nurmi needed and the Jan 15 date came into play. I'm wondering if the judge asked the jurors if that would be a conflict and #3 was the only one with a problem so she was let go now.

If that were the case I might understand a bit better why she's taking extra time with the porngate drama.

 

[rose222]

One thing I found interesting/disturbing, was that some of JA's correspondence, in fact a letter to TA not long before she killed him, appeared to have been printed with footers from TA's book files in word perfect. I haven't done word processing in some time so don't recall exactly how that can happen, but just that his "Raising You" footer is on her printed matter raises my blood pressure.

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I've read that letter many times but didn't notice that! She is so creepy.

"We’re not secret lovers. It’s a friendship. I am proud to call you my friend. I am brag about you to whoever will listen, to promote you, speak highly of you and give you all of the accolades you’ve ever deserved and any chance I get."

"You’ve done more for me than some friends that I’ve known nearly 20 years!"

The new approach to pedophilia is to write him a letter about how wonderful he is. She is so full of carp. I hope she gets the death penalty and finds out that these accusations were a big factor in the jury's decision to send her off to death row.

 

[kaRN]

Good post Kamille. This whole trial is absolutely crazy. I mean how many trials do you have the ACTUAL murder being committed and captured on pictures???
Talk about evidence! This trial should have been over in 15 minutes. I realize hindsight is 20/20 but I bet even the Alexander family had no clue how far JA would go. After seeing all this new crap coming up lately, I wish JA had just gotten LWOP last year. She should be sitting in Perryville, with Angela and all the other murderers. Now she's had another year and a half to manipulate the system and gain more supporters. I read she's now had $40,000 donated ???????? What the heck is wrong with these people?

Re BBM above
I just re-watched Juans (brilliant) rebuttal to the DT's closing argument from the guilt phase and I'll say what he would say if he were here. To believe that means you must believe JA and the (mentally ill IMHO) people who do believe her. There's no 40k just like there was no donation to locks of love (they don't accept bleached hair even if it's dyed back) or to the womens shelter in Long Beach who asked her to stop using their name.
She's a liar. There's no $$$ and if there ever was, her Mother and Aunt are spending it hanging out in Phoenix for 1 court day a week. JMO

 

[Val1]

Dan Freemans brother died on July 22, 2008. Four days before his 22nd birthday.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/azcentral/obituary.aspx?pid=114156113

Ironically, Jodi Arias was actually indicted on July 9, 2008 on her 29th birthday. HAPPY BIRTHDAY Biotch ! She was not however, actually arrested until July 15, 2008 ??
That confused me, so I googled it.

There are about 2 to 5% of defendants, who are under direct indictment, which is a secret proceeding where the person will not know, unfortunately, until the police come up to their door and say, “We have a warrant for your arrest, based on a grand jury’s findings.”

I'm pretty sure this gave JA just enough fuel to make the pedo story more credible, not as it pertains to TA but in general. I also noted that this young man had suppressed these memories until JA moved into town in 2007.
https://m.facebook.com/BestNewsSiteCoveringtheAriasTrial/photos/a.372216699550192.1073741830.372063369565525/518897048215489/?type=1&refid=17

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This link has a timeline of the computer findings. Hopefully it is okay to post it. If not, I guess I will know in a few.... ducking now:escape:



http://jodiariastrialtruth.blogspot.com/

 

[Predator]

Either he's playing dumb because it was used and he knows it or he is NOT a computer expert IMO.

By the way, can any one tell me, please, how they would know that it was Incinerator 2.3? Of course, they would know that the portions of the disk (especially, if it was random clusters that got scrubbed) had been "scrubbed", but how would they know the exact algorithm of the scrubber and be able to pinpoint the exact build?

 

[Dmacky]

Jodi Arias Files 12 Page Handwritten Letter To Fire Defense Lawyer Kirk Nurmi From Her Case.
*I swear if anyone can stomach reading the entire thing, you have the patience of a Saint. I started having flashbacks of her 19 days on the stand and had to take a valium. Now I have PTSD :giggle: She never ever shuts up. Ever.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZfQYnoU18U

 

[Val1]

Does anyone know where to find all the text exchanges between TA and the demon girl? Looking for a PARticular < Jodi's pronunciation. JA, says "I want to f u like a dirty, horny little school girl" :furious:

It was Feb. 26, 2008 EX 494 or EX 495 or both...TIA~

If you google her name and messages you will probably find everything... as for the specific one you quoted, will this do or do you want the pic of the msg?

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/27/can-martinez-link-arias-gun

1:09 p.m. ET: In one text message, Arias told Alexander, "I want to [expletive} you like a dirty, horny little school girl."

 

[Val1]

I don't believe Spybot can run on its own when the computer is in sleep mode.

I'm pretty sure my McAfee can, I don't see why Spybot couldn't as long as the pc is turned on and the program has been authorized to run.

 

[Dr. Know?]

So, the status conference tomorrow, evidentiary hearing Wed & trial Thurs...so far. Don't forget tomorrow regarding media in the afternoon at 1:30pm. Twitter is just not the same. Hard work for reporters to remember every word said & tweet blow by blow, but it's appreciated.

Media Relations Department

High Profile List

High Profile List Results

Court date: 12/8/2014 @ 1:30 Case #: CR2008031021
Case event: Trial - Penalty Phase Camera ruling: Pool Camera (no footage aired until trial is compl
Judge: Sherry Stephens Prosecutor: Juan Martinez
Defendant: Jodi Ann Arias Defense attorney: Kirk Nurmi/Jennifer Willmott

Case notes: Jury hung on penalty phase of trial. Found guilty of 1st degree murder. Ex-girlfriend charged with the murder of former boyfriend Travis Alexander in Mesa.

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...SelectItem.asp

I expect to get up tomorrow to check Maricopa Court Dockets & JSS's calendar to find what is the new brain child from the weekend that appears...

 

[MeeBee]

I think his ego is so great that he wants to testify, to even the score with JM. Same with MF. Why doesn't BN know what Incinerator 2.3 is?

That is what I'm wondering. This is also why I take some issue with BK claiming BN was just a computer guy having trouble explaining things to a lawyer. BN wanted to condescend to Juan and say, you're taking about the incinerator like it's a program. But it is a program. Juan claims it is Incinerator 2.3. It's a program that is used to clear out the recycle bin so you can hide things you've deleted (in a nutshell). The expert has no idea what Incinerator is, when it was apparently on the image he turned over to the state? And it was not a program that was on Travis' original hard drive? It might be an innocent thing, BUT it is odd that he doesn't know what it is when it is on something he gave the state.

Perhaps BN sounded convincing, but I don't think he is in any way full proof. Is computer forensics even his area of expertise? He turns over an image and says you don't need a copy, that's good enough. But from reading here, computer forensics experts don't work with compressed images. They work with copies. BN should know that.

 

[AZlawyer]

So, the status conference tomorrow, evidentiary hearing Wed & trial Thurs...so far. Don't forget tomorrow regarding media in the afternoon at 1:30pm. Twitter is just not the same. Hard work for reporters to remember every word said & tweet blow by blow, but it's appreciated.

Media Relations Department

High Profile List

High Profile List Results

Court date: 12/8/2014 @ 1:30 Case #: CR2008031021
Case event: Trial - Penalty Phase Camera ruling: Pool Camera (no footage aired until trial is compl
Judge: Sherry Stephens Prosecutor: Juan Martinez
Defendant: Jodi Ann Arias Defense attorney: Kirk Nurmi/Jennifer Willmott

Case notes: Jury hung on penalty phase of trial. Found guilty of 1st degree murder. Ex-girlfriend charged with the murder of former boyfriend Travis Alexander in Mesa.

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...SelectItem.asp

I expect to get up tomorrow to check Maricopa Court Dockets & JSS's calendar to find what is the new brain child from the weekend that appears...

Looks to me like that says that the penalty phase will continue at 1:30 Monday. Nothing about a hearing.

 

[Dr. Know?]

It's not under JSS court calendar for tomorrow, it's under media relations/high profile scheduled tomorrow, so I don't know? Thanks AZL

https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/MediaRelationsDepartment/HighProfileList/hplSelectItem.asp

 

[MeeBee]

By the way, can any one tell me, please, how they would know that it was Incinerator 2.3? Of course, they would know that the portions of the disk (especially, if it was random clusters that got scrubbed) had been "scrubbed", but how would they know the exact algorithm of the scrubber and be able to pinpoint the exact build?

I asked my husband, this is what he said. I don't know if this helps you:

"So the version number would probably be In the about us or info section of some pull down menu when you open the software. And it may also be embedded in the Metadata tag for that file, so if you right click on it and select properties you might be able to see it.

It might be in a text file that is apart of all the software package. Like a readme.txt"

 

[ElleElle]

Hum. Here's an interesting tidbit.

Microsoft sends out bundles of Windows updates automatically on the second Tuesday of the month. June 10, 2008 was the second Tuesday of June. If the updates downloaded when TA's laptop was brought out of sleep mode, they would have automatically installed and configured when the laptop was turned back on (June 19, 2009). This configuration process is something that CANNOT be stopped.

Not sure what OS was on TA's laptop (do any of you know?) ... But if was VISTA, that was a PIG of an OS with loads of "extra" programs that opened upon start up. The overwrite/modification of thousands of "files" (not just .exe, but .dll, etc.) due to this process is quite conceivable.

I believe it was Windows XP, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, I believe its possible Windows updates were completed upon boot up in 2009.

I guess the question still is, was a write blocker used then?

 

[MeeBee]

I asked him how you'd see it on a compressed image:

"Umm I dunno I think sometimes compressed files might offer a preview like option that holds all the individual files listed and their respective directory structure, maybe even meta data on the file itself, like version number. It's possible."