Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 12/19-1/5 Break

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I remember when JA's first interrogation tape came out, that I thought the Female detective gave JA the idea that there might have been two assailants. (1st story was born) Now I am re reading through the interrogation thread and here's ANOTHER thing the FO gave her and she used it! I wish they wouldn't have put so many idea's as to what COULD have possibly happened to make her kill him. :gaah:

FO: I understand that you’re a very private person. Everybody has said that and that’s glaringly apparent, but all of your business is going to be out in the open right now, so there’s really nothing to hide from any more. You know what I mean?

10:27
JA: I wasn’t as private as Travis.

10:31
FO: Are you worried about his reputation?

10:34
JA: Umm…

10:35
FO: Is that what you’re trying to protect here?

10:37
JA: Yeah. I mean I’m concerned. I just don’t want… I would rather everyone didn’t know that he was umm… that we were both violating certain chastity laws continually. That’s a very big deal in the church. I mean I know that his Bishop knows, but he keeps everything private and, you know, I don’t know if you’re familiar with our faith, but he…Travis has another Bishop now, you know in the next life. :scared:
CRAY CRAY
 
Teresa said:


Please, I wasn't being difficult. ME, the person, has heard more than I can tolerate from Arias. Of course, if you can read her journals and find insight do so. I've gotten to the point inside myself that I don't/can't hear anymore.The defense and Arias has stooped so low that I can't look or listen to anything they present. My heart aches for Travis and his family and I just want IT to stop. Arias planned and killed Travis. Travis suffered horribly...:( To me the trial is done. I pray for justice for Travis and his family.
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All is good, we all want this to end and the butcheress to just go away. I can't recall any past case where there has been so much victimization of a murdered person, and a judge allowing it to continue. My hope is that one day soon Travis' family can have peace, she (CMJA) has tortured them so bad... the bad part is, she enjoys it. She is just pure evil. No wonder Travis didn't want to pray with her (or so she claimed) who would pray with Satan? :maddening:
 
rose222 said:
I'd just like to say a few things about JA's journals. I wish that she had not murdered Travis and cut short his life and in many ways her own as well. But I'm just not able to feel sorry for her--for her financial troubles. The truth is that there are millions in the world who are dying of poverty, have no protection from the elements, no clean water etc. And so many Americans struggle to make ends meet, pay the bills and look after their children. They just work hard and do the best they can. Arias was okay---she had food to eat, a job, shelter (even if she did have to sleep on the floor at times) and if all else failed she did have her family to depend on.

It's easy to read her journals and feel sorry for her. However, she did not write about hitting her brother with a baseball bat, lashing out at her parents, kicking Doggy Boy, stalking some of her boyfriends, luring men with sex (she couldn't care one bit about 'degrading' herself, it was a manipulation tactic ), pretending to be a friend of Travis' when she actually just used him for sex, money, status etc. She stalked, manipulated and threatened Travis to the point where he was extremely afraid. And the manner in which she murdered him was beyond barbaric. I guess my point is that she was never a normal, young woman who snapped under the pressures of adulthood. I think she's been struggling with psychopathic tendencies since she was a child.
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Hi, Rose, yes it's hard to feel sorry for someone who had all the chances for a good life and chose to throw them away. That said, I also think she's struggled with mental illness all/most of her life, and that is truly sad. It's not an excuse for what she did by any stretch, and it's still tragic. I believe she deserves the DP/LWOP, and I still am sad to see a person destroy their life, the life of a wonderful man, and everyone else around them as the tragedy ripples outward. I have seen too much of this in my own life, and I cannot hate, only cry for all that's been lost.

ETA: I haven't read her journals; just don't think I can.
 
I was watching a documentary tonight (part 1 of 6) about the Inquisition. You know, that little murderous religious plot involving the Roman Catholic church, first against French heretics then Spanish heretics that went on for decades in the 1200's or so and killed many thousands? Theft, pillaging, torture, forcing confessions to sins real or imagined, more torture, then death by burning at the stake, or hanging, or any number of barbaric methods.

It put the Arias case into perspective in comparison. Arias is really not the "worst of the worst" by a long shot, though for many that's what she is.

So much emotion poured into this one disordered murderess as if she alone is responsible for all the world's ills. That thought hit me while watching this 1st part of the documentary.

She's a nothing, a nobody, and fortunately she was caught after killing 1 human. If the state were not insistent on getting a DP sentence (which will never be carried out anyway), she would have long been at Perryville for the rest of her life, which is where she's headed and what her sentence will be regardless. This whole phase really is a waste of time, resources, money, and energy.
 
Madeleine74 said:
I was watching a documentary tonight (part 1 of 6) about the Inquisition. You know, that little murderous religious plot involving the Roman Catholic church, first against French heretics then Spanish heretics that went on for decades in the 1200's or so and killed many thousands? Theft, pillaging, torture, forcing confessions to sins real or imagined, more torture, then death by burning at the stake, or hanging, or any number of barbaric methods.

It put the Arias case into perspective in comparison. Arias is really not the "worst of the worst" by a long shot, though for many that's what she is.

So much emotion poured into this one disordered murderess as if she alone is responsible for all the world's ills. That thought hit me while watching this 1st part of the documentary.

She's a nothing, a nobody, and fortunately she was caught after killing 1 human. If the state were not insistent on getting a DP sentence (which will never be carried out anyway), she would have long been at Perryville for the rest of her life, which is where she's headed and what her sentence will be regardless. This whole phase really is a waste of time, resources, money, and energy.
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You must have been watching what my hubby watched! :eek:
 
Caylee Advocate said:
All is good, we all want this to end and the butcheress to just go away. I can't recall any past case where there has been so much victimization of a murdered person, and a judge allowing it to continue. My hope is that one day soon Travis' family can have peace, she (CMJA) has tortured them so bad... the bad part is, she enjoys it. She is just pure evil. No wonder Travis didn't want to pray with her (or so she claimed) who would pray with Satan? :maddening:
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I don't think I've ever followed a case where the criminal's post-murder actions/lies are almost as vile as the murder itself. Her pedophilia and abuse allegations, sending flowers and a letter to the victim's grandma, post-verdict interviews, her book club---she provides 'social commentary' and reviews---topics include Christianity, Buddhism, Karma, etc. Did someone say low self-esteem? LOW self-esteem? A grossly inflated sense of self coupled with an inability to feel remorse/empathy...the stuff of nightmares.
 
Dmacky said:
I just found this article about JA's diaries. Apparently they were released
in 2013. What I am confused about is the DATE. The article itself was
posted on April 3, 2013 at 9:15 PM. Jodi was still on trial! :confused:
Although it does say that it was UPDATED on Tuesday, Oct 29 at 8:52 PM ?
Could the diaries have actually been released (public record) before she was found guilty? Does anyone know ?


Jodi Arias' private diaries are now public record, and 600 pages were released this week.

They date back several years, and cover most of her nearly two-year relationship with the man she killed in 2008, Travis Alexander.

Arias frequently writes about work and her Mormon faith. She also mentions suicide several times over the years, indicating her bouts with depression which have been brought up at trial.

"Today is one of those days when you wake up wishing it were as simple as just killing yourself," Arias wrote.

Her relationship with Alexander brought emotional highs and lows, according to the journals.

"I love love love him," she wrote one day, while another night writing, "I've somehow managed to become his whipping girl."

After their breakup in early 2008, Arias moved from Arizona to California, and wrote, "I love Travis and always will. We are just different. His fiery temper doesn't mix with my tendency to cry at the drop of a hat."

Read more: http://www.azfamily.com/news/Hundre...diaries-released-201370271.html#ixzz3NVAdtdDJ

***she actually writes this (per article)
Subsequent entries included more phony statements, like, "I'm for 'thou shalt not kill' but is it wrong to want the perpetrator to get the needle?"
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Thanks for this Dmacky, unbelievable, this psycho killer hasn't even been sentenced yet and somehow her liaries get released to the public. Is this some kind of joke ?
 
Madeleine74 said:
I was watching a documentary tonight (part 1 of 6) about the Inquisition. You know, that little murderous religious plot involving the Roman Catholic church, first against French heretics then Spanish heretics that went on for decades in the 1200's or so and killed many thousands? Theft, pillaging, torture, forcing confessions to sins real or imagined, more torture, then death by burning at the stake, or hanging, or any number of barbaric methods. It put the Arias case into perspective in comparison. Arias is really not the "worst of the worst" by a long shot, though for many that's what she is. So much emotion poured into this one disordered murderess as if she alone is responsible for all the world's ills. That thought hit me while watching this 1st part of the documentary. She's a nothing, a nobody, and fortunately she was caught after killing 1 human. If the state were not insistent on getting a DP sentence (which will never be carried out anyway), she would have long been at Perryville for the rest of her life, which is where she's headed and what her sentence will be regardless. This whole phase really is a waste of time, resources, money, and energy.
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Can I just qualify one of your sentences slightly? From "She's a nothing, a nobody, and fortunately she was caught after killing 1 human." to She's a nothing, a nobody, and fortunately she was caught after killing 1 human as far as we know.
 
wendiesan said:
Can I just qualify one of your sentences slightly? From "She's a nothing, a nobody, and fortunately she was caught after killing 1 human." to She's a nothing, a nobody, and fortunately she was caught after killing 1 human as far as we know.
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You think she killed other people before Travis but somehow got away with it? No way.
 
I just found the transcripts (not all) of JA's parents talking with Det. Flores. Her mom knew she had mental problems, and called the Bishop in California to find out who JA's Bishop was in Az.


SANDRA ARIAS: Because (INAUDIBLE) one of the things when she was here (INAUDIBLE) I called (INAUDIBLE) she`s a member of the Mormon church, and I called the bishop here and wanted to know if there`s any way he could find out where she was going down there to the church because I wanted to talk to him and see if he could talk to Jodi and find out what`s going on because, like I said, she would just totally flip out on me.

Read more here
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1304/29/ng.01.html
 
Dmacky said:
I just found the transcripts (not all) of JA's parents talking with Det. Flores. Her mom knew she had mental problems, and called the Bishop in California to find out who JA's Bishop was in Az.


SANDRA ARIAS: Because (INAUDIBLE) one of the things when she was here (INAUDIBLE) I called (INAUDIBLE) she`s a member of the Mormon church, and I called the bishop here and wanted to know if there`s any way he could find out where she was going down there to the church because I wanted to talk to him and see if he could talk to Jodi and find out what`s going on because, like I said, she would just totally flip out on me.

Read more here
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1304/29/ng.01.html
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I can understand a Mother's love and all, but obviously the parents knew something was going on with Jodi and knew it was not "normal". "She would just totally flip out on me." Just what does that mean exactly? And to go that far to contact a Bishop in California means that it was a bit "serious". But apparently Jodi with her psychological make-up has "snowed" her mother which in turn the rest of immediate family are following Sandy Arias' lead. But has she really gotten to her father? I am thinking that deep down Bill Arias' out of that entire family knows the real "truth" about Jodi. (IMO). Thank you.
 
I've been thinking how ridiculous it sounds about JA's saying that she gets death threats in jail, and she's afraid to testify in court unless it is secret.
She only allowed POSTCARDS.... I'm sure the people who work at Estrella would definitely not give her POSTCARDS that had death threats on them!

Of course when she went on her 1st media tour, she was even claiming back then that the ninja's had sent her threatening notes while she was still in California.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxU8qKolYJA
 
Dmacky said:
I've been thinking how ridiculous it sounds about JA's saying that she gets death threats in jail, and she's afraid to testify in court unless it is secret.
She only allowed POSTCARDS.... I'm sure the people who work at Estrella would definitely not give her POSTCARDS that had death threats on them!

Of course when she went on her 1st media tour, she was even claiming back then that the ninja's had sent her threatening notes while she was still in California.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxU8qKolYJA
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It doesn't make sense to me either unless someone threatened her on a phone call or visit. I don't think that happened. Total hogwash to me.
 
Very interesting, Madeleine74, ​because I do think she is the worst of the worst.
 
Tuba said:
Very interesting, Madeleine74, ​because I do think she is the worst of the worst.
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I know you're not the only one, but in comparison to mass murderers, the Holocaust where 10 million+ people were murdered, serial killers, and the millions of people who have been murdered/butchered/raped/tortured over the millenia from centuries before up to current day, no Arias is not even in the ballpark, not even close to any ballpark. She's been made to be much more important and powerful than she actually is. Some have imbued her with supernatural powers beyond any comic book character. In reality she's a nobody, a common, disordered, unbalanced woman who killed out of spite and jealousy. She's no worse than other female killers who have done the same thing, and no better either.
 
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