Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Day 27, Part 2

[MeeBee]

Oh my goodness... the lies. I can't count the number of times I've been trying to make sense of something and then realized (slap myself round the head) that I've been assuming that something Arias said is true.

A classic example is that I've always taken it for granted that Arias and Travis dated ("officially") for five months, and really hoped that Juan would ram the brevity of their relationship home in this penalty retrial.

But Juan's gone well above and beyond, and shown there's no reason to believe that they dated at all, let alone for five months. And I have to ask myself, why on earth did I ever think they did?!

There really is no end to her lies.

Same here Cindy!!!!! Same here, exactly!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Just in my opinion, the poor attempt to paint JA as a victim, will sink her ship.

What do they have? Witnesses that were paid to base a testimony on sensored documents. I think BN shut up asap. Not qualified but planted words only against the State. There was a sealed testimony that was suspicious due to it being more on a federal level, I think. So, BN does testify for military, federal, states so I assumed it was him testifying then. He did testify but slothed off everything to Anon to answer.

Real quick fyi, BN was also a news helicopter guy for 12 years in Phoenix. He's done everything and qualified for so much... cough, my throats sore now.

 

[daisydomino]

It's becoming clearer to me now that Jodi has amplified this relationship in her mind even more than I thought before. I thought they did have a long distance thing and then broke up. I am so convinced now, especially after reading her letter and hearing Abe's testimony, that they were never official. It's all coming together now.

Jodi and Travis met, engaged in a flirtation, dated a little, but he seems to have definitively decided she wasn't the one. When she was in Cali she tried hard to get him to commit to her. He liked her but didn't want to take it further. She rationalized in her mind that the only reason he wouldn't committ to her and make her his girl was just to keep crazy Deanna happy. She was in a battle for his attention and devotion and was never worthy. She complained to the Hughes' to make him commit and they played along because they liked her before realizing they'd been had.

The goal was to make him get her to move there. Eventually he tells her it's never gonna happen so she just takes the initiative and moves there anyway, with great resistance from him. The rest of it was her finding ways to insinuate herself into his life, knowing she could always take advantage of his good nature. Can I keep my stuff in your garage? Can I use your car? Can I get some money? Can I get a ride? Oh, is this your bed? Where'd my clothes go? And it always felt like she was so close, so close to winning him. But it just wasn't going to happen.

She convinced herself that they were just on the DL, they were really together but had to keep it underground. But why would Travis do that? When he was with someone, he was with them. He made it known, they were together, he called her his girlfriend. Jodi never got this from. I never saw any evidence that he held her in the same regard as Deanna or Lisa or Linda or any other girl. And so she had to convince herself in her mind that it's just because she's more special. They were star crossed lovers. Never got the timing right. Travis did love her the most but there were people in his life that we're keeping him from her. So she had to drive a wedge between them. Still didn't work.

Travis should really have put up better boundaries because every time he slept with her it gave her a glimmer of hope. Her obsession with him was deep. All she wrote about, talked about, thought about, wanted was Travis. She had to make this go away because she was finding it impossible to move on. There was a journal entry that I believe encapsulates her need to kill Travis. It basically said there was something that needed to be cut off at its source, shut off like a light. This was Travis. She would only have freedom when he was gone. When Flores was grilling her, just before she changed her story to the ninjas, she's crying and seems close to confessing. "I had to move on."

What's happening now isn't so much hatred of Travis (though that's part of it) as it is a need to convince the world of what the truth of them was, of what she knows she and Travis were. Make her fantasy a reality in his death. She's done a darn good job too. And Travis isn't here to tell full truth of it and what she put him through.

:goodpost:

This is what I've been pondering over the last few days, only much clearer than I've been thinking it.

 

[MeeBee]

:goodpost:

This is what I've been pondering over the last few days, only much clearer than I've been thinking it.

Me too. I have been thinking and thinking about this and got it all straight in my mind before I got all down. I think this is a much, much more accurate portrayal of what they were.

 

[Kamille]

I always wondered what exactly went on in the trailer in Vegas.

I'm starting to wonder why JA seemed to keep men who were much older than her on the line. Calling them for favours and two of them testified in her favour and told lies on the stand for her. Daryl, Abe, Gus. She used them because she knew she could. We know two of the three got into her magic panties. So are we to assume the third one didn't but still gave her an expensive phone and let her stay in his "trailer" when she needed to get away.

MOO

 

[MeeBee]

Me too. I have been thinking and thinking about this and got it all straight in my mind before I got all down. I think this is a much, much more accurate portrayal of what they were.

Another thing is this deluded idea that they were secret boyfriend and girlfriend led to her showing up at his house and telling people she was his girlfriend and him saying no. Her telling people they were going to get married when they weren't.

 

[khaki]

BBM TA wrote on his blog that he did suffer from physical abuse inflicted on him by his mother.

" As she progressively got more involved in drugs she progressively got less capable of raising children. Most commonly was a beating for waking her up. It hurt but we got used to it. I learned how to turn so that when she hit me she would strike my back and arms, the pain was less there."

http://travisalexander.blogspot.com/

Thank you so much for pointing this out Sulamith. I thought there was evidence of physical abuse too, but I couldn't recall how we learned it. I thought ALV maybe exploited a bit. But anyway, I was so glad to hear from Deanna that there were warm feelings Travis had for his parents, despite the abuse. He really was special, with what he overcame, and being able to forgive, and not using his past as a crutch.

 

[deedee21]

The mitigating specialist is tweeting for Jodi. Now we know why they had the term IMPEACH on their minds when Abe testified. It was because they knew Deanna was going to take the stand. They knew her testimony would show the jury that Jodis witnesses are liars and therfore THEIR testimony should be impeached. At least in the minds of the jurors. Combine that with the hidden messages Jodi wrote in the magazine and it should be clear to the jury that Jodi is the worst thing that ever existed.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

More importantly, how did she get invited to the top level events when it appears she never did any selling for PPL?

:dunno: but taking a few wild guesses here:

- Maybe she flashed her "magic panties" ?
- No wait, it was her "magic thong" ...
- Maybe she flashed her fake "muffins" ?

I can't state what I would really like to because I would be at camp ... lol !

:seeya:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Okay, I read the letter. Not being a handwriting analyst, I can still see the glaring story it's telling. Starts out large bold writing. She gets small and tries to hide behind the lies of the relationship. Jodi cannot hide her salivating during the climax of the fast, sloppy and flourished ninja passage. Then, she comes back down to the finale of the neat, small controlled 'poor widdle victim ME'.

:seeya: That is a great observation, TL !

And interesting ... Thank You !

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Just in my opinion, the poor attempt to paint JA as a victim, will sink her ship.

What do they have? Witnesses that were paid to base a testimony on sensored documents. I think BN shut up asap. Not qualified but planted words only against the State. There was a sealed testimony that was suspicious due to it being more on a federal level, I think. So, BN does testify for military, federal, states so I assumed it was him testifying then. He did testify but slothed off everything to Anon to answer.

Real quick fyi, BN was also a news helicopter guy for 12 years in Phoenix. He's done everything and qualified for so much... cough, my throats sore now.

Was it the Norbert Neumeister News?

 

[sumbunny]

Those PPL events require RSVP's iirc, so there must be a record somewhere. My question is, who did she get the invite to sit in the executive row from if she didn't even know TA yet at that point? A grifter is an even more fitting title for JA than golddigger and I think that's what TA was finally figuring out when he wrote that article, it was a mere 8 days later when they had that nasty messaging fight and then only another 9 days before JA murdered him:

http://travisalexander.blogspot.com.au/
"Sunday, May 18, 2008
Why I want to marry a Gold Digger "

HA...Jodi read that title and thought! WOW! he's asking me to marry him!

 

[KPinMN]

The state should be ashamed for the sentencing process. If the jurors couldn't have agreed on death than it should have automatically been life without parole. I guess Juan and the judge have no other cases that need serious attention. Juan is probably stalling on other cases which leave defendants in limbo while he drains our money on this sentencing phase. Attn Juan and The Judge: We need you sending people to jail and not spend a year on one person sentencing phase. Even if she gets death then we will have to hear from her for the next 20 years. Just for some college kid (who will then be Governor) commute her sentence to life 20 years from now. Good grief.

The law in AZ is that you can retry the sentencing phase once in a DP case if the first jury is hung. As with any law one thinks is unfair, overly burdensome, too costly, etc you have every right to peacefully protest the law and/or work to have it overturned.

As for the assumption that prosecutor is mismanaging other cases due to this one I think it's fair to assume the prosecutor has someone he reports to (the DA likely) that would ensure that isn't happening. In fact, it's been reported here on WS many times that JM's supervisor was at the PT table with him when Det Flores wasn't there.

All this is IMHO, of course

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The state should be ashamed for the sentencing process. If the jurors couldn't have agreed on death than it should have automatically been life without parole. I guess Juan and the judge have no other cases that need serious attention. Juan is probably stalling on other cases which leave defendants in limbo while he drains our money on this sentencing phase. Attn Juan and The Judge: We need you sending people to jail and not spend a year on one person sentencing phase. Even if she gets death then we will have to hear from her for the next 20 years. Just for some college kid (who will then be Governor) commute her sentence to life 20 years from now. Good grief.

:seeya:

Juan is NOT to blame at all for this Re-Trial !

IF you want to blame anyone, blame the jury foreman Zervakos for "falling" for JA's lies :gaah:

IF the jury foreman and the other 3 jurors would have voted for the Death Penalty the first round -- which BOTH the State and the Alexander Family want -- then there would be no Re-Trial going on right now !

 

[EquallyDivided]

Another thing is this deluded idea that they were secret boyfriend and girlfriend led to her showing up at his house and telling people she was his girlfriend and him saying no. Her telling people they were going to get married when they weren't.

I started thinking about this today also. It makes me want to go back and read everything from Travis again, with this thought in mind. She was a peice on the side. He thought about a relationship with her for a hot minute, but tried to drop her and she wouldn't let him. She interjected herself by playing on his sympathy. I need a car, a job, can I clean your house to pay you back ... I don't doubt for a minute that she manipulated him - but maybe it was much more than we thought. Maybe we fell for some of her lies, because someone can't lie about EVERYTHING ... Can they!?

If she met Abe before Travis ... Yet she broke up with Darryl (according to her supersecretsauce testiphony) the Thursday BEFORE attending a function and church with Travis over that weekend - Then she was playing the field long before her relationship with Darryl was "over".

 

[ElleElle]

Me too. I have been thinking and thinking about this and got it all straight in my mind before I got all down. I think this is a much, much more accurate portrayal of what they were.

You nailed it Meebee. Travis was her lifeline and once she realized he cut the supply off for good, she severed it.

 

[deedee21]

DexterMorgan, have you seen the autopsy pictures? If not then google them. Then ask yourself how you would feel or DO if this piece of human waste did this to your brother? One thing is FOR SURE if she did this to my brother she would not have made it out of a memorial service in one piece.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

Another thing is this deluded idea that they were secret boyfriend and girlfriend led to her showing up at his house and telling people she was his girlfriend and him saying no. Her telling people they were going to get married when they weren't.

I can't understand when she writes that Travis begged her to come to Mesa but she had to be quite and lay low. and then she write that she'd wasted a year on Travis and hadn't got anywhere.

I am glad the is one thing Juan Martinez did was he helped open our eyes and see what he saw.. .no relationship then what Jodi said. When Jodi testified in the guilt phase that she didn't expect anything for Valentines day, I was shocked. No sir, I get candy, I get perfume and a nice dinner. I expect it because we're a couple and he wants to have a goodnight sleep. But to not expect something twelve days after you became someone special, on a special day for lovers is sad.

 

[ElleElle]

I started thinking about this today also. It makes me want to go back and read everything from Travis again, with this thought in mind. She was a peice on the side. He thought about a relationship with her for a hot minute, but tried to drop her and she wouldn't let him. She interjected herself by playing on his sympathy. I need a car, a job, can I clean your house to pay you back ... I don't doubt for a minute that she manipulated him - but maybe it was much more than we thought. Maybe we fell for some of her lies, because someone can't lie about EVERYTHING ... Can they!?

If she met Abe before Travis ... Yet she broke up with Darryl (according to her supersecretsauce testiphony) the Thursday BEFORE attending a function and church with Travis over that weekend - Then she was playing the field long before her relationship with Darryl was "over".

BINGO! :winner: You wrote exactly what I wanted to write. Thank you.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Way to go JA defense team. You have now painted a truer picture of who JA is/was or can be with the witness #1 and eval #1. Mow the lawn Juan!