Ron C. # 10

[Shaymus at The Rock]

I am confused, in the article and the headline it doesn't state that the "parents" meet once a month. It only states that the investigators meet once a month. Is there more to this article, that i did not see? TIA

I reread the article, lil momma and agree. Nothing about LE meeting with the parents once a month.

 

[Donjeta]

One thing I will say is I was very happy to see Ron on TV, on video talking about Haleigh.
I also commend him for not going on about the altercation he had with the in laws.

I suppose it was in his best interest to skip the subject. It is not good PR to get arrested.

 

[Asti]

Wow so some think LE just want to make up stuff to make certain people look guilty? I find that hard to believe. I mean a little girl is gone. We are all heart sick about it and most of us don't know any of these people personally. So I would have to think that detectives who are investigating her disappearance would be as much upset as we are. I don't want someone to be charged with this crime if they didn't do it. I want to see those who took Haleigh or know who did punished. That is justice and for a missing child almost everyone wants justice. I have to believe LE would feel the same way. Perhaps they are looking at Ron because some of his behavior has been unusual in light of his daughter being gone. Just my own thoughts.

 

[Donjeta]

Innocent people do get convicted sometimes but a wise family would take into account that it may be more common for innocent people to get convicted if they refuse to cooperate with LE, refuse to talk to them and insist on holding on to their inconsistencies because that kind of behaviour makes them look guilty and even the true parts of their story seem like lies. Let's hope that the recent publicity will make LE, Ron or Misty to pick up the phone and set up a meeting that helps them clear the problems up.

Blaming the police for attempts to frame people will hardly help.

 

[Patty G]

This is the Ron C thread. Stop talking about LE in this thread and most of all stop the bashing of LE in any thread. Enough already.​

 

[stilettos]

Ronald Cummings took his children and kept them illegally. The FL statutes state that in the case of unmarried parents the children remain in the Mother's custody. When he refused to return them to their Mom he was breaking the law in FL. That could cause some animosity on the part of Crystal and Marie. I am sure (IMO) there are a multitude of other things they believe gives them cause for anger.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

He did not illegally take them and keep them or the judge would have immediately returned them to her the day he showed up in court.

 

[stilettos]

He did not illegally take them and keep them or the judge would have immediately returned them to her the day he showed up in court.

I trust your intellect enough....look at the FL statutes regarding custody with unmarried parents. The Mother retains custody...he kept them against her wishes and that is against the FL statutes. Using your logic RC would be in prison for each and every possession charge as they are illegal.

 

[Boytwnmom]

would care more about themselves than about that child? Every single article, handbook, etc about missing children I have read tells the parents, as if they would even need to be told, to cooperate. To cooperate regardless of how silly or repetitious or inane or intrusive the questions seem. I cannot believe that most parents don't do exactly this for what choice do you have? To merely accept, as RC seems to, that Haleigh is gone, nothing to do about it, release some balloons & cry, - no need to help the investigators, they annoy him and Misty so no way are they going to talk to them. You would think that if you were truly so disillusioned with the investigation LE was doing you would take some action, hire your own investigator, go to the press, to higher ups at the FBI and ask for more help, whatever. No, he just refuses to answer the questions of the only people trying to find Haleigh.

Typical advice to parents of missing children:

Be honest, complete, and forthcoming in your statements and answers to law enforcement. What may seem insignificant to you may be important to an investigator.

Be prepared for hard, repetitious questions from investigators. As difficult as it may be, try not to respond in a hostile manner to questions that seem personal or offensive. The fact is that investigators must ask difficult and sensitive questions if they are to do their jobs effectively.

Do everything possible to get you and your family removed from the suspect list. As painful as it may be, accept the fact that a large number of children are harmed by members of their own families, and therefore you and your family will be considered suspects until you are cleared.

and from klasskids:

As intrusive as it may become and as irrelevant as it may seem, fully cooperate with law enforcement and eliminate yourself as a suspect. They will ask questions that seem irrelevant and may even ask you to take a polygraph examination. It is not fair, but it is necessary. Remember, like you, law enforcement doesn’t know where your child is and the sooner they are able to gather and assimilate information and evidence, the sooner they are going to be able to direct their investigation toward the solution.

All of this good advice is echoed throughout the world of missing children. RC's mother even works in LE so I'm sure she has some understanding of how the system works and how it's impossible to move on in an investigation if the people closest to the case refuse to help. Even without special knowledge common sense would tell you that. Progress is made in steps-before you walk, you crawl, before you eliminate more suspects you first have to eliminate those closest to the scene. It's so disconcerting to see this refusal to cooperate applauded here. I really hope we aren't sending a message that it is OK to refuse to cooperate with LE. I think that would be hugely irresponsible. I would hate to think crime victims reading here would find us rationalizing why it is OK for family members to refuse to cooperate in a child abduction case, I really would. This is my very strong opinion, as they say.

Innocent people do get convicted sometimes but a wise family would take into account that it may be more common for innocent people to get convicted if they refuse to cooperate with LE, refuse to talk to them and insist on holding on to their inconsistencies because that kind of behaviour makes them look guilty and even the true parts of their story seem like lies. Let's hope that the recent publicity will make LE, Ron or Misty to pick up the phone and set up a meeting that helps them clear the problems up.

Blaming the police for attempts to frame people will hardly help.

 

[Boytwnmom]

once again say the children would have been returned if what he did was illegal and then I will once again say that a court takes no action on it's own initiative, that it must be asked, via motion, to do something, that it must be brought to the attention of the court in order for the court to take judicial notice of it. Really, this is basic civil procedure and we have been over this before. A court only decides what is in front of it. Yes, if CS had a clue she would have been able to get RC in quite a lot of trouble as she was the only legally recognized "parent" of those children at the time they were taken.

Ronald Cummings took his children and kept them illegally. The FL statutes state that in the case of unmarried parents the children remain in the Mother's custody. When he refused to return them to their Mom he was breaking the law in FL. That could cause some animosity on the part of Crystal and Marie. I am sure (IMO) there are a multitude of other things they believe gives them cause for anger.

 

[Skully]

I bet that if RC and CS would contact M. Klass; he would be so happy to help them with things they can do to help LE. I spoke to a woman the other day that had her nephew kidnapped and was recovered after 8 months. LE didn't find him, the PI they hired did. He was taken from up North around NY and was living in FL. The boy was only 5 months old when he was taken.

People who have gone though it, know. They would be happy to help. I don't know what all the families are doing on there own, but you never get too much help, ya know?

 

[Skully]

once again say the children would have been returned if what he did was illegal and then I will once again say that a court takes no action on it's own initiative, that it must be asked, via motion, to do something, that it must be brought to the attention of the court in order for the court to take judicial notice of it. Really, this is basic civil procedure and we have been over this before. A court only decides what is in front of it. Yes, if CS had a clue she would have been able to get RC in quite a lot of trouble as she was the only legally recognized "parent" of those children at the time they were taken.

100% about civil court. I had a hearing and wanted to address another issue, but it was not allowed as the hearing scheduled was for only the matter at hand. In order for me to bring this up again, I had to file another complaint and of course pay the attorney for another court appearance. Only what is on the docket is what is address before the Judge.

 

[Boytwnmom]

just uncomfortable with the process he should reach out to those who have gone before him in the same situation. I know that community of people is more than willing to help. Perhaps he needs a "mentor" who can help him understand how essential his cooperation is and ease the way with LE. I would hate to see this become a cold case because of the parent's failure to cooperate. I would imagine that would later cause tremendous guilt. Perhaps someone close to him can work on this. It would honestly be a better use of time than most other things that are going on.

I bet that if RC and CS would contact M. Klass; he would be so happy to help them with things they can do to help LE. I spoke to a woman the other day that had her nephew kidnapped and was recovered after 8 months. LE didn't find him, the PI they hired did. He was taken from up North around NY and was living in FL. The boy was only 5 months old when he was taken.

People who have gone though it, know. They would be happy to help. I don't know what all the families are doing on there own, but you never get too much help, ya know?

 

[Skully]

just uncomfortable with the process he should reach out to those who have gone before him in the same situation. I know that community of people is more than willing to help. Perhaps he needs a "mentor" who can help him understand how essential his cooperation is and ease the way with LE. I would hate to see this become a cold case because of the parent's failure to cooperate. I would imagine that would later cause tremendous guilt. Perhaps someone close to him can work on this. It would honestly be a better use of time than most other things that are going on.

I agree, he needs someone to help him. But I think he is afraid that Misty will get (how do I say this?) In trouble? I think he is afraid of LE, not in the way that they would hurt him, just scared it looks bad at their end, so to speak. But if there is nothing to hide, hide nothing. It will bring her home.

 

[elle1919]

After reading boytwnmom's post I find myself in desperate need of a few steps back. A few days ago I posted that....well I guess I don't even remember what I posted but I think my mind has drifted off the course of what is really most important in this case. Finding Haleigh. I have been spending so much of my time thinking about Crystal and Ronald that I was prepared to defend both of them at any cost. When I read that Ronald didn't want to talk to investigators anymore I never really took to heart what that means. I was too busy trying to make his choice okay in my mind because I really do believe that he is a grieving father. However, I must now say that I think he is making the wrong choice. If he doesn't feel like he can open himself up 100% to LE then I cannot agree with his decision. I applauded him in the past.....right after Haleigh went missing, because he was doing the things he needed to do and cooperating fully. If RC feels for whatever reason that he can't talk to the old investigators......for whatever reason.....then he should fully cooperate with the new ones. Or the FBI or anyone that represents themselves to be searching for his child.

I remember Mark K. applauding RC in the beginning of this case. Of course there is much water under the bridge now, but I just feel that even if he thinks it is all for naught, he should open up.

 

[elle1919]

And I am in no way trying to bash LE with this but I really do feel like we need a fresh set of eyes to take over this case. I would think that RC would be open to that.

 

[Whisperer]

Very thoughtful post Elle..and there is a new investigator. His name is Agent Joliceur from the FDLE. An experienced agent who came aboard around July 27th. He is going back from the start and taking it apart piece by piece. This is who likely wanted to speak with them recently.

 

[elle1919]

Very thoughtful post Elle..and there is a new investigator. His name is Agent Joliceur from the FDLE. An experienced agent who came aboard around July 27th. He is going back from the start and taking it apart piece by piece. This is who likely wanted to speak with them recently.

Thank you, just saying whats on my mind....I posted on another thread that I did a little research and read that the new investigator is very well liked and one of his areas of expertise is in the "gang-related " field. Is this a coincidence do you think?

 

[Whisperer]

Somebody on the board stated they knew for certain his hours were 4:30 to 3:00am. They said they confirmed it by calling PDM and asking for hours of the Crane Operators.

Now, RC says he was a crane operator buy I have to question that too. He has no prior experience to my kge in that field and I think you have to be certified (?). What I am wondering is if he did some other sort of job, like maybe fork lifting and maybe said Crane Operator to make it seem like a better job.

So when the person verified they were giving PDM the wrong job info...JMO

 

[Gracenote]

I wonder if previous negative interactions with law enforcement would color an individual's attitude towards the police. Maybe if one sees LE as out to get one, not good guys, persecutorial, etc. one would tend to not cooperate with them as they are "only out to get me." If so, that would be a shame.