Ron C. # 11

[SeriouslySearching]

Good morning, stilettos!

Nope. I am not out to demonize Ronald's behavior at all and I do not think other people are either. What I see and read about him is real. I have believed from the moment of hearing the 911 tape that he and Misty knows what happened to Haleigh. JMO, MOO.

No one pulls negative things out of thin air to state against Ronald.

I will never understand how Ronald can do no wrong in some eyes. MOO.

See...that is the problem. Everything you see and read about Ronald is not "real". There is an obvious bias in the media and on the internet (some of which was started right here on WS in our RT). Since people have never met him and do not know the absolute REAL story behind any of those things you have seen and read...there is a good chance it could be wrong.

Yes, as a matter of fact...people DO pull negative things out of thin air to state against Ronald. I see it done daily here.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I realize that this is the RC thread, but could you either provide a link to a direct statement by witnesses who were actually there at the event ALL DAY that Crystal did not show up, or if that is not available then, refrain from stating an unfounded ASSUMPTION as fact?

I guess the media didn't see her which to me is akin to not being present for a media scheduled event. I don't need to provide a link to any statement when the video and photos speak clearly to her not appearing on them. Hiding isn't a good way to attend a media event!

 

[stilettos]

See...that is the problem. Everything you see and read about Ronald is not "real". There is an obvious bias in the media and on the internet (some of which was started right here on WS in our RT). Since people have never met him and do not know the absolute REAL story behind any of those things you have seen and read...there is a good chance it could be wrong.

Yes, as a matter of fact...people DO pull negative things out of thin air to state against Ronald. I see it done daily here.

Are you saying that you know the real Ronald Cummings, personally??? If not, how would you actually know yourself what was true or not? If you know him personally, please tell us, that way we would have a basis for evaluating your statements. If not, you are the same as any other poster....giving an opinion.

 

[Whisperer]

RC did complete an ADI pgm....description below.

<<The ADI program is not a traditional treatment program. The ADI program is a very brief pre-treatment program that has been court ordered, and information simply will be presented to you. However, if during this program it is determined that you would benefit from taking part in formal treatment following ADI, we will assist you. It is important to note that the ADI program is not a program for drug dealers. The ADI program is designed to help drug users take a look at where their drug use has gotten them.>>

Maybe there is another course for drug dealers online too...IDK.

This online stuff is a joke...IMO

 

[Whisperer]

FYI..Crystal and Ron were told to stay away from each other by the LE. They are only supposed to meet concerning JR.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't have to know him personally to know how the media and internet will portray someone in such a way that will either make money or paint unflattering pictures of people they feel are to blame for something. Only one side of the story is being told about Ronald and it is the one against everything he does or has done in the past. I have a firm belief when everything comes to light...a different picture will emerge and he is not going to be this monster some have created either in their own minds or within the media.

 

[SCHTown]

See...that is the problem. Everything you see and read about Ronald is not "real". There is an obvious bias in the media and on the internet (some of which was started right here on WS in our RT). Since people have never met him and do not know the absolute REAL story behind any of those things you have seen and read...there is a good chance it could be wrong.

Yes, as a matter of fact...people DO pull negative things out of thin air to state against Ronald. I see it done daily here.

Have YOU ever met Ron? It's just a little easier with all the bad publicity that Ron has received in recent weeks. Getting arrested for assult and there being grounds to proceed with the charges, are hard to "make" up. Then follow that with the rat gate. Ron creates ALL of his bad media.

IMHO, the same goes for Crystal. There is SO much out there that bashes her as well.

 

[Whisperer]

OH my, I haven't pulled anything out of the air about RC....have you read my posts about the drugs and him going to court to take the kids. He just came off a court order and fined for drugs himself. That is a fact.

Granted,There is no proof he harmed Haleigh but there is plenty that he is not being genuine.

OK, SS...I am truly ready for the real story behind the drug fines he himself had and going to court to protect his children from drugs. He was still paying his fine when he was in court to take away the children on the premise that he kinda heard when he was in Texas that CS may have done some drugs...Please tell me his side..

 

[SCHTown]

I guess the media didn't see her which to me is akin to not being present for a media scheduled event. I don't need to provide a link to any statement when the video and photos speak clearly to her not appearing on them. Hiding isn't a good way to attend a media event!

Could YOUR interpretation of "hiding" just be something as simple as she was too emotionally devastated to be there? I can't imagine going out in public to face people who are there to provide items for needy children when you KNOW that you might NEVER get to do those things with your precious child. I can stay that I don't think I would EVER be able to do something like that. Too emotional.

 

[elle1919]

FYI..Crystal and Ron were told to stay away from each other by the LE. They are only supposed to meet concerning JR.

Yes whisperer, I read that and for the life of me I just don't understand it. Why would LE ask them not to have contact with each other? Considering the fact that with the exception of when RC was knelt down on day 1 or 2 and Crystal came over and put her hand on his back in what seemed like an effort to console him, was really the only time I noticed they were together. I am sure there were others there in the first few weeks...but for what reason would they ask the mother and father of a missing child not to have contact? IMO this is the first step by LE to pit the two of them against each other. Telling Crystal have no contact with RC and telling RC have no contact with Crystal would surely make one suspicious of the other. I just don't understand that tactic, maybe someone more educated might be able to school me on that...

I am starting to feel like I almost don't belong on these threads anymore. lol.
Although I feel RC and CS have been guilty of a lot of things in the past, I don't think they are guilty of Haleigh's disappearance. I really, really pray that TES and my superhero Tim Miller can uncover some answers....or anything that will lead to an answer. This child and the family that waits for her needs a miracle of epic proportions.

 

[Whisperer]

Elle, I know what you mean...

I'm still trying to figure out why you call a defense attorney to find your child. Why not call Tim direct?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Have YOU ever met Ron? It's just a little easier with all the bad publicity that Ron has received in recent weeks. Getting arrested for assult and there being grounds to proceed with the charges, are hard to "make" up. Then follow that with the rat gate. Ron creates ALL of his bad media.

IMHO, the same goes for Crystal. There is SO much out there that bashes her as well.

And if it turns out that Ronald did not create EITHER situation...it was still played out in the media and on the internet that he was the one behind those incidents so the damage is already done, imo. It is not Ronald creating all of the bad media then...is it?!

Going back to the "eyewitness" account of him putting that rat in the mailbox...here is a perfect example of how "eyewitness" accounts can often be very wrong. Three women including the one who had supposed direct contact with the man are evidently mistaken according to the DA.

OKLAHOMA CITY -- A victim is upset and wants the man she says attacked her held responsible, but that may never happen.

~snip~

One of the women in the bachelorette party says there is no doubt the injuries she and her friends suffered that night were at the hands of Sterling Beecroft. The just one problem is the District Attorney says their pointing they're finger at the wrong man.


~snip~

"He grabbed my face and pushed me up into the wall of the club," Cunningham said. "People got him off of me temporarily and then got me by the throat and pushed me again."

According to the police report witnesses agree Beecroft was responsible.

According to the report, "all three witnesses were spoken to individually and verified all three victim's stories."

~snip~

"After further investigation, Beecroft was not the assailant...it was another person in the group that committed the assault."

http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=10933925 BBM

 

[Whisperer]

There has to be some meeting of the grounds here. The differences are between hearts and minds. I have to admit that people are all different and will view things entirely opposite from the way I think.

I am going to offer an olive branch here and say I will try not to keep slamming these facts I have out in front and try to not respond to emotionally driven posts. It will be difficult for me, but I will attempt it.

It should have realized that not everyone is going to accept them, regardless, of what they are and what they mean to me.

In the end, we are all working for the same result. We want to know what happened to precious Haleigh.

 

[elle1919]

Elle, I know what you mean...

I'm still trying to figure out why you call a defense attorney to find your child. Why not call Tim direct?

lol...I will comment on your question after we know for sure that RC called Nejame for the purpose of defense and not finding Haleigh. Do we know for sure that RC did not call TM first? Of course we know MN now represents TM so we cannot jump to any speedy conclusions. I cannot forget the statement that MN gave when he decided to step down from the Anthony's. It made me feel that even though he is a defense attorney he still had some scruples.lol...I could be wrong....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-nejame2108nov21,0,7372410.story

Above link was his words as to why he left the Anthony's. I got the impression back then that he had his own ideas about what happened to Caylee and because the Anthony's were trying to search for a live Caylee he felt he could not serve them in the capacity of which he was needed. I don't take this to mean that Nejame has suspicions that Haleigh is dead...we just won't know and I can't speculate until i see the news conference.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes whisperer, I read that and for the life of me I just don't understand it. Why would LE ask them not to have contact with each other? Considering the fact that with the exception of when RC was knelt down on day 1 or 2 and Crystal came over and put her hand on his back in what seemed like an effort to console him, was really the only time I noticed they were together. I am sure there were others there in the first few weeks...but for what reason would they ask the mother and father of a missing child not to have contact? IMO this is the first step by LE to pit the two of them against each other. Telling Crystal have no contact with RC and telling RC have no contact with Crystal would surely make one suspicious of the other. I just don't understand that tactic, maybe someone more educated might be able to school me on that...

I am starting to feel like I almost don't belong on these threads anymore. lol.
Although I feel RC and CS have been guilty of a lot of things in the past, I don't think they are guilty of Haleigh's disappearance. I really, really pray that TES and my superhero Tim Miller can uncover some answers....or anything that will lead to an answer. This child and the family that waits for her needs a miracle of epic proportions.

I don't think it had to do with the case of Haleigh being missing, but the animosity between the two families. If LE can prevent them from getting into knock down drag out fights which require LE to become involved to settle minor disputes over Rj or other things...it is in the best interest of the case, imo. It serves no purpose for them to get together and "talk" when they obviously are not going to be on the same page.

I hope MN and TM can move this case forward towards finding out the truth since people are stuck on blaming Ronald and Misty. I do feel it is a positive thing for them both to become involved in order to go beyond what is being done currently by LE.

 

[Whisperer]

I could speculate why LE is doing that. I would also want them apart. Emotions are high. RC is married now. He needs to stand with Misty on this. It is awkward for Crystal, I am sure. In most of these type cases, the media stays with the custodial parent more then with the estranged. Estranged don't get much air time.

If they cover both, it splits the cause and loses the center, as we have seen. But LE may have an entirely different reason for what they are asking.

 

[Blackwatch]

See...that is the problem. Everything you see and read about Ronald is not "real". There is an obvious bias in the media and on the internet (some of which was started right here on WS in our RT). Since people have never met him and do not know the absolute REAL story behind any of those things you have seen and read...there is a good chance it could be wrong.

Yes, as a matter of fact...people DO pull negative things out of thin air to state against Ronald. I see it done daily here.

I respectfully disagree. We all draw our own conclusions from the facts presented to us.

"Everything you see and read about Ronald is not "real". I wonder if the fines he paid were in "real" money? I wonder if the night he spent in jail after his assault on Misty's brother was "real" or just a bad dream? Is his daughter "really" missing? Did he "really" marry the teenager who was the last person - allegedly - to see his daughter? Let's get "real" here, Ron isn't the brunt of a conspiracy, he brings this stuff on himself by his OWN actions.

'Course this is only my opinion.

 

[Whisperer]

Remember, NeJame is a good talker...he speaks legaleze better than anyone. You have to take apart everything he says. Remember, he is a defense attorney/media wizard.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

lol...I will comment on your question after we know for sure that RC called Nejame for the purpose of defense and not finding Haleigh. Do we know for sure that RC did not call TM first? Of course we know MN now represents TM so we cannot jump to any speedy conclusions. I cannot forget the statement that MN gave when he decided to step down from the Anthony's. It made me feel that even though he is a defense attorney he still had some scruples.lol...I could be wrong....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-nejame2108nov21,0,7372410.story

Above link was his words as to why he left the Anthony's. I got the impression back then that he had his own ideas about what happened to Caylee and because the Anthony's were trying to search for a live Caylee he felt he could not serve them in the capacity of which he was needed. I don't take this to mean that Nejame has suspicions that Haleigh is dead...we just won't know and I can't speculate until i see the news conference.

When Nejame went to work for the A fam, I didn't have any respect for him. However, after he left and went to work for TES...I learned I was mistaken about him. I had people tell me he was one of the "good guys", but I had to see it for myself. I think you are right...he does have "scruples"! Tim would never have hired him on if he didn't, imo.

With the negative press lately, I can see why Ronald would want someone like MN on his side...but we don't know if calling him was to assist in pr or for his defense. Either way...it is a great idea. Maybe it was recommended by Tim to call in MN or maybe it came from somewhere else...but to have both working to find Haleigh is a Godsend. I hope MN does represent him legally tho. Ronald needs someone to mentor him and help him get over those legal hurdles he faces right now.

 

[texasmommy39]

(bbm) It's just grown tiresome, never missing an opportunity to fault Crystal even when she does something positive. At least get the facts straight... it wasn't RC but Crystal and her family who organized Haleigh's Closet (and for heaven's sake no more about who got TES to come either let's just be grateful they're coming). If she's at the balloon release, she's there. If not she's no doubt doing something else in honor of her daughter's birthday. I would never presume to tell her how to do that any more than I would be telling her father whether to be in front of the cameras or show up for a photo op. I didn't know this was the Crystal (Bashing) thread, I thought that was the other thread. :waitasec:

Haleigh's Mother Gathers School Supplies in her Honor

"Instead of getting supplies for Haleigh her maternal family is collecting supplies for other kids. 'There's a lot of people who can't afford to buy school supplies for their children right now,' said Haleigh's maternal grandmother, Marie Griffis.

That's why they started collecting items. All the donations will be given to Haleigh's School, Browning Pearce Elementary. It's a way to honor Haleigh on her birthday."

Can anything just be about Haleigh? Ok her mother, despite her efforts just can do no right, she can not win--we got it. Let's focus instead on this beautiful missing child, and the search about which we can be prayerful and hopeful. Or light a candle if you prefer, release a balloon, w/e... but honor Haleigh by pulling in the fangs and claws. GOD BLESS TIM and TES.
rayer:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=143390&provider=top

arrot:

BBM
Another post that is a dig at others reasoning, speculations, and opinions. IMO Take the advise you have given.