Ronald proposes to Misty

[Shaymus at The Rock]

When my soon to be MIL was murdered we postponed our wedding. There was such a overwhelming sense of grief and stress that it didn't seem appropriate, and I felt that while it would always be painful for DH that his mother was not there to see the vows doing it that soon afterwards would just be cruel. Not to mention tying our anniversary years directly to how many years she had been dead. So on some levels I have been there, and I do know how I would react. I don't care if they get married and live happily ever after, don't care about the age difference, don't care about any of that.... but the timing and the actions don't fit with me to be those of a father who thinks his daughter is out there somewhere waiting to be rescued. I don't recall the Smart's having a celebratory event 30 days out. Can't imagine the Hornbecks were either.

They are acting like every other family that knows the outcome before there is evidence, and thus moves on with life faster than one would *speculate* would be normal for the situation. The fact that no one has been arrested in no way indicates they are not suspected by LE. Drew Peterson is a suspect in two murders last I heard. He hasn't been arrested. Pesky little thing called physical evidence. The list of suspected but not arrested people can go on and on.

Great post :clap::clap:

 

[CHICANA]

well if you are looking for a motive for a non stranger abduction, then crystal would have more of a motive than some (potential SO's aside), but if you are looking at other potential motives for other potential crimes, she isn't even in the running. LE has stated they don't know what crime they are looking at nor what time it was committed. I'd think if they felt Ron & Misty were innocent they'd make a statement which led people to conclude they were innocent of any wrongdoing, but they haven't done that.

possible motives of a caregiver to kill - rage, jealousy,
possible motives of a caregiver to fake an abduction - to cover up another crime, to cover up an accident in which the caregiver was criminally negligent, to cover up for someone else's criminal actions

there really is a potential motive for all involved.

True, however if I were CS and wanted to stop my child support obligation regardless of the cost, it would make more since to get rid of Ron. With Ron out of the picture, she'd get the kids, a welfare check and revenge for the beating she claims to have suffered.

 

[Clearly Confused]

I popped in here quick to get a daily update and read this news. Then I went off to the other threads and everyone was talking about the proposal in those threads so I thought to help posters stay on topic I would just go ahead and make a new thread.

Any hoot....What does everyone think about this. I can think of pro's and con's but wish to refrain from being judgemental and will hope and pray that the reason they decided to go ahead and get married is because Haleigh wanted them to get married. However I don't see what the harm would have been in waiting a bit.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/l...133274&catid=3

I think the timing is very strange.

 

[RJA00]

Crystal's motive is $4000 ? That's it ? When LE appears to be focusing more on Crystal, so will I. I saw several segments in which CS admitted to using drugs. Yet RC, despite the charges refuses to admit to anything. He is obviously not a saint, yet will not acknowledge any imperfections.

Fact is, Ron and Misty were in charge when Haleigh disappeared, Crystal was not.

if it was the other way around and ron owed over 4000.00 he would be getting slammed a lot more then crystal is

I don't know about some but 4000.00 is alot of money to me
heck 4000.00 dollar would get me out of debt
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My husband overtime dissapred overnight
he could not cry and say he could not pay his child support because of the economy he went and got a part time job this was about 15 years ago before he got full custody of him no the mother did not pay him child support and he did not fight it
I dont think anybody should say with the ecomney she should of got a break

Maybe he could of afforded a better place to live if she had been paying
just my Opinion

shoot im getting old that almost 20 years ago i was 19 i will be 40 this year

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

And yet, they're saying thats exaclty why they are doing this, because she wanted them to get married, and it's a surprise for her when she gets home. So it'a all about Haleigh after all.
How's that for spin?

Well, my head is spinning, so I guess it was pretty effective !

 

[player]

well, it is hard to believe some things, and illogical to believe everything.

Yes I believe that Ron & Misty were all about personal hygiene, I'm sure the kids were kept clean and dressed nicely. I'm sure Misty's nails always look lovely.

the point is that none of that really is the point.

The point is that proposing, giving rings, making wedding plans, gushing to the press about being proposed to, and rushing to get married when you don't know where your child is or if they are even alive, if they are being fed, cared for, tortured or abused at this moment just isn't something MOST (not all) parents would do in this situation.

Personally it wouldn't be high on my list of priorities. Granted we are all different and all have different priorities.

I'm sure Player has seen Ron & Misty having positive and normal interactions with the kids.

My Mom never beat me in front of guests.

To reply to your post. I am sure happy that Mom never beat you in front of your guests You have to remember that I lived less than 30' from their home and as most know manufactured homes , especially older ones, have very thin walls and almost evrything above normal talking is heard at short distances. So I wasn't a guest and I never saw beatings. I hope yours weren't too painful. the interactions I saw & heard were 24/7. Quit trying to pin the guilt on Ron/Misty as they may not meet up to your/our standards. remember they are both young. I am in agreement that making wedding plans is not the thing that I would be doing at a time like this, but that is not my place. Who is to say that they must be P/C ? Someplace I read something like "let them without sin cast the first stone". I see that many of us out there are sinless. As far as gushing.. A 17 year old gal has to have some immaturity left in her, but happiness is not gushing. I found it a bit over the top on the announcement, but I figured it would be forthcoming at some point. The pressure and insecurity may have been surrounding factors in poor judgement, but not a reason for villification.

 

[rholloway]

I hadn't thought of it from your angle. And it's an interesting thought.

But if he is doing these things (getting a tat, buying a house, getting engaged) in order to keep the media's focus on Haleigh, why isn't he acting like a loving father and fiance' ? You're right - it is so important to keep the public involved in looking for Haleigh. So why then does RC keep jeopardizing the public's support by acting like a ? Fair, or unfair, the public makes decisions made upon perceptions. Is no one advising him how to appear in public ? His mother seems very skillful at dealing with the press and the public. If he is really interested in finding Haleigh, he needs to follow TN's example.

My family is fighting tooth and nail to get any media attention brought to Jennifers case. Prayers for Haleigh's safe return.

 

[impatientredhead]

if it was the other way around and ron owed over 4000.00 he would be getting slammed a lot more then crystal is

I don't know about some but 4000.00 is alot of money to me
heck 4000.00 dollar would get me out of debt

Maybe he could of afforded a better place to live if she had been paying
just my Opinion

How does leaving the boy there tie in with this abduction for child support motive? Not to mention she will still owe the back child support. It doesn't just go away because the child is deceased. So she would have staged an elaborate abduction, drawing the attention of the FBI, all to still owe back child support for Haleigh and continue to owe child support for Jr. and still have a custody battle. Add in she lives a 100 miles away and was home when the call came that H was missing. That is some brilliant logistical planning by someone who can't figure out that her money motive doesn't get better following its execution.

 

[kikid]

To reply to your post. I am sure happy that Mom never beat you in front of your guests You have to remember that I lived less than 30' from their home and as most know manufactured homes , especially older ones, have very thin walls and almost evrything above normal talking is heard at short distances. So I wasn't a guest and I never saw beatings. I hope yours weren't too painful. the interactions I saw & heard were 24/7. Quit trying to pin the guilt on Ron/Misty as they may not meet up to your/our standards. remember they are both young. I am in agreement that making wedding plans is not the thing that I would be doing at a time like this, but that is not my place. Who is to say that they must be P/C ? Someplace I read something like "let them without sin cast the first stone". I see that many of us out there are sinless. As far as gushing.. A 17 year old gal has to have some immaturity left in her, but happiness is not gushing. I found it a bit over the top on the announcement, but I figured it would be forthcoming at some point. The pressure and insecurity may have been surrounding factors in poor judgement, but not a reason for villification.

my point was that you cannot look in from the outside and know what goes on in someone else's home. You can deduce because you didn't hear screaming and crying and yelling that it didn't happen and that is certainly your right to make that assumption and to post about your views.

Believe me I come from no better or different circumstances than anyone involved in this story, in fact probably worse. Maybe that is why I'm so cynical and don't assume a loving parent couldn't hurt their child.

I'm sure neighbors and teachers would have been shocked at what took place in my home when I was a kid.

 

[player]

if it was the other way around and ron owed over 4000.00 he would be getting slammed a lot more then crystal is

I don't know about some but 4000.00 is alot of money to me
heck 4000.00 dollar would get me out of debt

My husband overtime dissapred overnight
he could not cry and say he could not pay his child support because of the economy he went and got a part time job this was about 15 years ago before he got full custody of him no the mother did not pay him child support and he did not fight it
I dont think anybody should say with the ecomney she should of got a break

Maybe he could of afforded a better place to live if she had been paying
just my Opinion

If you knew the area and the home you would say different.. "better place to live" This is a fine place to live and that home is a nice one. LE tore it up and hasn't put it back together and won't.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

LE has often said that they don't know what the crime is or when the crime took place so how could Ron have an absolute alibi for that?

Exactly

 

[gypsyblue]

Why isn't anyone looking into Halieghs' mothers past. .

I think its only natural to look into those of whom were responsible for Haleigh's well being at the time of her disappearance. JMOO

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

theory:

Ron is being careful with Misty since he is aware he could be accused of statuatory rape. Therefore, in order to have sex with her, he needs to be married to her. Just some horney kids.

He is 24 and the father of 2, possibly 3, children. IMO, the "kid" excuse is used up for RC.

 

[impatientredhead]

To reply to your post. I am sure happy that Mom never beat you in front of your guests You have to remember that I lived less than 30' from their home and as most know manufactured homes , especially older ones, have very thin walls and almost evrything above normal talking is heard at short distances. So I wasn't a guest and I never saw beatings. I hope yours weren't too painful. the interactions I saw & heard were 24/7. Quit trying to pin the guilt on Ron/Misty as they may not meet up to your/our standards. remember they are both young. I am in agreement that making wedding plans is not the thing that I would be doing at a time like this, but that is not my place. Who is to say that they must be P/C ? Someplace I read something like "let them without sin cast the first stone". I see that many of us out there are sinless. As far as gushing.. A 17 year old gal has to have some immaturity left in her, but happiness is not gushing. I found it a bit over the top on the announcement, but I figured it would be forthcoming at some point. The pressure and insecurity may have been surrounding factors in poor judgement, but not a reason for villification.

If you live 30 feet from them (doesn't seem like that fits with the overhead shots we have seen of the property, but I will go look again) and can hear everything over a normal conversation pitch 24/7 you can answer several questions for us.

Did you hear a car at her place that night?
Did she have any visitors?
What was the cousin that visited like?
Did you hear the fight that supposedly occured with said cousin? When Misty realized Haleigh was missing did she scream in horror? Was she out calling her name?
What time was it when the she came to ask if you had seen her or seen anything/anyone near the home?

 

[kikid]

If you knew the area and the home you would say different.. "better place to live" This is a fine place to live and that home is a nice one. LE tore it up and hasn't put it back together and won't.

just curious, did you live next to Ron prior to Misty moving in? Or did she live with him at that home as well? thanks.

 

[player]

my point was that you cannot look in from the outside and know what goes on in someone else's home. You can deduce because you didn't hear screaming and crying and yelling that it didn't happen and that is certainly your right to make that assumption and to post about your views.

Believe me I come from no better or different circumstances than anyone involved in this story, in fact probably worse. Maybe that is why I'm so cynical and don't assume a loving parent couldn't hurt their child.

I'm sure neighbors and teachers would have been shocked at what took place in my home when I was a kid.

When one is that close and has raised children you see and sense things differently. Sure I heard reprimands (yelling if you will), but who hasn't yelled at their kids ? I told that in all my interviews with the LE folks and off the record I was told that was normal family. Beatings would be obvious as the children played within 20' of me daily. Haliegh went to school everyday, she was in hermothers hands every other week. In reality do you think, for an instant, that abuse was there ? I am sorry that you may have had worse, but I will say "I don't think any 2 children were loved more than Haliegh and JR". I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it. Let us get on with finding Haliegh. After she's home we'll go into the personalities. Let us quit the innuendo, casting aspersens (spelling there) and outright accusations. Just because someone doesn't do it my way I have to overlook certain things and get to know that person. Enough lecturing. I just needed to vent a little.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

Just to ease the skeptics and the doomers out there. Misty, personally, told us that Ron had asked her to marry her well over a month ago. She wanted to, however she thought waiting would give them more time for a full dress wedding. This was well before Haliegh went missing, and any of this happened. The statuatory rape charges , well I don't know, but I sincerely doubt anything is there. The man/wife testifying is out of Perry Mason. Go find another reason to be skeptical of Ron.. Look at where all of the rumors are coming from. Let us concentrate on finding Haliegh.

An engagement can last as long as the couple wants, or needs, it to. Getting engaged "well over a month ago" would not preclude a "full dress wedding". MC's got to work up better lies, IMO.

 

[player]

just curious, did you live next to Ron prior to Misty moving in? Or did she live with him at that home as well? thanks.

Ron moved into the house next door in June 08. Misty came into the picture Sometime around Sept and didn't start staying there until sometime in October. If I am a little off on my time frame forgive me, but I don't keep a calendar on my neighbors LOL

 

[tehcloser]

When one is that close and has raised children you see and sense things differently. Sure I heard reprimands (yelling if you will), but who hasn't yelled at their kids ? I told that in all my interviews with the LE folks and off the record I was told that was normal family. Beatings would be obvious as the children played within 20' of me daily. Haliegh went to school everyday, she was in hermothers hands every other week. In reality do you think, for an instant, that abuse was there ? I am sorry that you may have had worse, but I will say "I don't think any 2 children were loved more than Haliegh and JR". I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it. Let us get on with finding Haliegh. After she's home we'll go into the personalities. Let us quit the innuendo, casting aspersens (spelling there) and outright accusations. Just because someone doesn't do it my way I have to overlook certain things and get to know that person. Enough lecturing. I just needed to vent a little.

I can understand your need to vent, being so close, it must be driving you insane.

 

[player]

An engagement can last as long as the couple wants, or needs, it to. Getting engaged "well over a month ago" would not preclude a "full dress wedding". MC's got to work up better lies, IMO.

Where is the lie (lies) ????