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desperate search continues for a mother-of-three who vanished without a trace after heading off on a 20km run during a heatwave.

Samantha Murphy, 51, was last seen leaving her home on Eureka Street in Ballarat East, about 100km northwest of Melbourne, at 7am on Sunday.

It's understood she was planning to run through the Canadian State Forest and was captured on CCTV wearing a brown singlet and black half-length leggings.

The mother-of-three has now been missing for almost 36 hours

Her 'upset and concerned' family hold grave concerns and described her disappearance as out of character.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Grave fears for mum missing for 36 hours

Samantha Murphy, 51, was last seen leaving her home on Eureka Street in Ballarat East, about 100km northwest of Melbourne, at 7am on Sunday. She's still missing 36 hours later.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Whilst this does sound wonderful, it also brings me cult vibes. Cults can generally start out with good intent, but can attract lost souls, and the leader becomes either power or money hungry and it all goes downhill.

Maybe society has just too far gone, and it's ingrained in some of us to be evil and power hungry? Or is that just the cynical side of me coming out?
 
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This is an example of what is wrong with out judicial system:


It is paywalled, but says that Victorians between 12-17 (12!!!!) breach bail every 3 hours, equating to 2770 times last year.

This paywalled article also shows how much society and the legal system needs to change:


It states that one of the state’s worst child offenders – a 14-year-old boy living in state care – is accused of carrying out six armed robberies in as many hours after being bailed and having close to 400 charges dropped because of his age.

How do we expect our young people to learn, and fear repercussions when there are essentially none? Where are the disincentives?

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HoneyBunOne said:
This is an example of what is wrong with out judicial system:


It is paywalled, but says that Victorians between 12-17 (12!!!!) breach bail every 3 hours, equating to 2770 times last year.

This paywalled article also shows how much society and the legal system needs to change:


It states that one of the state’s worst child offenders – a 14-year-old boy living in state care – is accused of carrying out six armed robberies in as many hours after being bailed and having close to 400 charges dropped because of his age.

How do we expect our young people to learn, and fear repercussions when there are essentially none? Where are the disincentives?

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Yep, I know of 2 Dr's who were recently robbed at knife point in their home by teenagers who were caught & are out on bail ( I wouldn't be surprised if they were already on bail !)

The legal system needs to change, juveniles are running riot knowing there is little consequences IMO
 
drsleuth said:
Yep, I know of 2 Dr's who were recently robbed at knife point in their home by teenagers who were caught & are out on bail ( I wouldn't be surprised if they were already on bail !)

The legal system needs to change, juveniles are running riot knowing there is little consequences IMO
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And to think these are our future adults, the next generation. :(
 
HoneyBunOne said:
Post in thread 'Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #10' Australia - Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #10

Whilst this does sound wonderful, it also brings me cult vibes. Cults can generally start out with good intent, but can attract lost souls, and the leader becomes either power or money hungry and it all goes downhill.

Maybe society has just too far gone, and it's ingrained in some of us to be evil and power hungry? Or is that just the cynical side of me coming out?
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Fair point. I most certainly see your concerns re the potential danger of cults developing in this kind of context (even though this is actually diametrically opposite to the ideals encompassed in my vision). I acknowledge I am an idealist, and the unfortunate reality is it’s very easy for anyone with corrupt or untoward intentions to sour anything. I tend to agree that as cynical as it may sound, some people, systems and processes are very far gone, and will take a lot of work to reshape and reinvent…. :rolleyes: :oops: :(

JMO
 
iamshadow21 said:
www.abc.net.au

Victoria Police out again searching for clues in missing Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy investigation

Police are once again searching in the area around Mount Clear and the Woowookarung Regional Park for signs of the body of missing Ballarat mother Samantha Murphy.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Where exactly was this search?

The police don’t have to publicly disclose if anything was found during searches.
Were they open about the phone being found because the media forced their hand and/or because they knew it could unsettle PS enough to finally make a move?

Does all of the time, resources and energy spent on searching get factored into sentencing deliberations?
 
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Does the police have any data showing that PS's car travelled specific distances and visited certain locations? It seems plausible that he could have gone much farther than the suspected areas, where it’s believed he might have hidden Samantha's body (allegedly, of course).

Given this possibility, can the police consider searching other locations, such as Hepburn National Park? This area could be worth exploring not only because of the mines that provide easier access but also because the further the body is from the crime scene, the less likely it is to be the focus of immediate police investigations. JMO
 
Rocket333 said:
Where exactly was this search?

The police don’t have to publicly disclose if anything was found during searches.
Were they open about the phone being found because the media forced their hand and/or because they knew it could unsettle PS enough to finally make a move?

Does all of the time, resources and energy spent on searching get factored into sentencing deliberations?
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We don't know If he put the phone there, If police can't link him to the dam or phone, it means that someone else is involved, we also don't know if he's actually talking to police. Police certainly won't be letting the media know anything, unless they want to for a reason and for safety, especially If they are watching anyone else. We don't know for sure If the court date will go ahead, it could get delayed
 
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Does the police have any data showing that PS's car travelled specific distances and visited certain locations? It seems plausible that he could have gone much farther than the suspected areas, where it’s believed he might have hidden Samantha's body (allegedly, of course).

Given this possibility, can the police consider searching other locations, such as Hepburn National Park? This area could be worth exploring not only because of the mines that provide easier access but also because the further the body is from the crime scene, the less likely it is to be the focus of immediate police investigations. JMO
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The possibilities feel endless, however from my understanding the searches we’ve known about have stayed quite local. May the phone data be proving very, very helpful.
 
Scooby-Doo said:
We don't know If he put the phone there, If police can't link him to the dam or phone, it means that someone else is involved, we also don't know if he's actually talking to police. Police certainly won't be letting the media know anything, unless they want to for a reason and for safety, especially If they are watching anyone else. We don't know for sure If the court date will go ahead, it could get delayed
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What would cause the court date to be delayed?
 
Scooby-Doo said:
We don't know If he put the phone there, If police can't link him to the dam or phone, it means that someone else is involved, we also don't know if he's actually talking to police. Police certainly won't be letting the media know anything, unless they want to for a reason and for safety, especially If they are watching anyone else. We don't know for sure If the court date will go ahead, it could get delayed
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We know almost nothing about this case. Police have not leaked a single piece of evidence that the accused is guilty. This remarkable compared to the US where something would have leaked by now.
 
Dotta said:
But it is only preliminary/pre-trial Court sitting, no?
With G or NG plea.
And possibly deciding on the date of proper trial.

Well, that is my understanding.

JMO
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Yes, it is only a Committal Mention. I don't think it can be delayed (or not by very much) as there is a time limit in which it must be held.

After the Committal Mention comes a Committal Hearing, or a Sec 198 hearing instead, then the trial. A trial is a long way off, more that a year at least. imo

Sometimes there are even more Mentions before a trial, depending on what matters need to be settled between the parties prior to a trial.

  • A committal mention must be held within 6 months after the commencement of the criminal proceeding for the offence (section 126(1)(b) of the CPA). An exception applies if the matter relates to a sexual office, in which case a committal mention must be held within 3 months after the commencement of criminal proceedings (section 126(1)(a) of the CPA).
www.criminalsolicitorsmelbourne.com.au

Committal Stream (Serious Crime) | Dribbin & Brown Criminal Lawyers

If a matter is destined to proceed in the Committal stream, (i.e. it will eventually end up in either the County Court or the Supreme Court)
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