Australia Samantha Murphy, 51, last seen leaving her property to go for a run in the Canadian State Forest, Ballarat, 4 Feb 2024 *Arrest* #11

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By now , a normal websleuther would be thinking of who will be making an appearance at the trial, as witnesses , this is assuming he either makes no plea ( in that case, the judge makes it for him and it's always a 'not guilty' plea ) , or pleads not guilty himself. A guilty plea means the entire shindig shifts to sentencing. The judge will outline the whole case, from the prosecution perspective, the indicators that point to the guilt, and the collateral damage, and impact on the community and the family, etc...

Then, the judge will , usually in exquisite detail, go into the actions of the accused, that caused the death, what alternatives could have been expected to be in play, why they were not, exactly who did what, and when, but usually, unless the defendant himself makes a performance of it, the judge will not go into motive,

Motive is superfluous in the overall context, as far as the sentencing criteria is involved,. the judge , and the law is not interested in motive.

Then, the judge will assign weight to each component of the crime, the planning if any, the opportunities to not murder, if any, the discarding of human compassion, and dignity to the deceased, the theft of a life, and so on, the convoluted elements that meet the requirements of murder in Victorian Law,.

Each component 's weighting will be calculated into the final sentence. ( in Victoria, the minimum for murder is 30years, then the long process of applying for parole, which can take another 5 years ) The minimum non-parole term for a life sentence in Victoria is 30 years, unless a court considers it not in the interest of justice to set such a term.

We can assume who the witnesses will be from the absolute press silence, most likely the Editors of various tabloids and dailies have been served with D notices, to not pursue certain people, under pain of prosecution, because they are either witnesses for the prosecution, or for the defence. Some may be hostile witnesses for the prosecution, this is not an unusual circumstance, it means the person is not a willing testifier, but will testify under duress...
 
If this comes down to sentencing, and he still hasn't said where Samantha is, is it likely that the Judge will make his sentence longer or the maximum. Or will the 'no body, no parole' come into play? Seems so unfair to the family if they have to wait any further! Or is this leverage for a plea deal. I tell you where her body is, if you give me manslaughter? Just me wondering.
 
If this comes down to sentencing, and he still hasn't said where Samantha is, is it likely that the Judge will make his sentence longer or the maximum. Or will the 'no body, no parole' come into play? Seems so unfair to the family if they have to wait any further! Or is this leverage for a plea deal. I tell you where her body is, if you give me manslaughter? Just me wondering.
He has very nearly exhausted any possibility of a discount on his parole date, which comes into play should he plead guilty AND reveal where the body is. Even now, there is that tiny window, much less leeway than if he had come clean in the beginning, but every day counts... Otherwise, it's a straight sentence, for maximum murder.

Can't see VICPOL or the DPP negotiating this down to anything less than that, considering they appear to have the entire event on camera. ! And it does not auger well for justice, if that path is followed.

I can't see the defence having anything to bargain with the DPP about, really., VICPOL seems mighty confident of making all the charges stick, even without a body, and this is not VICPOL's first go round without a body. Convictions have been achieved , and , it's not hard to see, one will be achieved on this matter, also.
 
Was the ping at 5pm off the Buninyong tower, south of the search area ever confirmed by police do we know?

Because I’m just plotting some things in a Google map and maybe I’m wrong with my locations (?) but was the Scotsburn house he was staying at here ?:30 Yendon No 2 Rd · Scotsburn, Victoria

And am I correct in thinking the telecommunications tower is here? 37°39'17.7"S 143°55'26.9"E
(Note: I found this by searching phone tower address list for Buninyong and getting these coordinates..)
I did also read on several news articles about the Buninyong Golf course being the place it pinged but wouldn’t it be the tower in Buninying ? Maybe someone can confirm does it ping at the tower or could have pinged at the golf course or somewhere else if anyone can confirm ?

If the tower needs to be close to pickup signal then am I seeing this correctly that the Scotsburn house and the tower are really really close to one another ?

(See image attached) I’ve put a yellow star for each location. Too right one is the tower. Close right?

So IF that’s the case then the accused could have had her or the mobile phone or both in the vehicle at the Scotsburn house , when it pinged at 5pm, and then perhaps he drove to dispose of both or either.

Also as a side q, was the girlfriend out with him the night before ? Why didn’t he just taxi home and not take his car if it is true his vehicle was in the bush .? Hmmmm…
 

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So IF that’s the case then the accused could have had her or the mobile phone or both in the vehicle at the Scotsburn house , when it pinged at 5pm, and then perhaps he drove to dispose of both or either.

It would mean allegedly nearly 9 hours in the car.

Would cadaver dogs still catch the trace of the victim in it after some time?

It might also mean lots of DNA/touch DNA as evidence in the car.
Allegedly.

JMO
 
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Was the ping at 5pm off the Buninyong tower, south of the search area ever confirmed by police do we know?

Because I’m just plotting some things in a Google map and maybe I’m wrong with my locations (?) but was the Scotsburn house he was staying at here ?:30 Yendon No 2 Rd · Scotsburn, Victoria

And am I correct in thinking the telecommunications tower is here? 37°39'17.7"S 143°55'26.9"E
(Note: I found this by searching phone tower address list for Buninyong and getting these coordinates..)
I did also read on several news articles about the Buninyong Golf course being the place it pinged but wouldn’t it be the tower in Buninying ? Maybe someone can confirm does it ping at the tower or could have pinged at the golf course or somewhere else if anyone can confirm ?

If the tower needs to be close to pickup signal then am I seeing this correctly that the Scotsburn house and the tower are really really close to one another ?

(See image attached) I’ve put a yellow star for each location. Too right one is the tower. Close right?

So IF that’s the case then the accused could have had her or the mobile phone or both in the vehicle at the Scotsburn house , when it pinged at 5pm, and then perhaps he drove to dispose of both or either.

Also as a side q, was the girlfriend out with him the night before ? Why didn’t he just taxi home and not take his car if it is true his vehicle was in the bush .? Hmmmm

Was the ping at 5pm off the Buninyong tower, south of the search area ever confirmed by police do we know?

Because I’m just plotting some things in a Google map and maybe I’m wrong with my locations (?) but was the Scotsburn house he was staying at here ?:30 Yendon No 2 Rd · Scotsburn, Victoria

And am I correct in thinking the telecommunications tower is here? 37°39'17.7"S 143°55'26.9"E
(Note: I found this by searching phone tower address list for Buninyong and getting these coordinates..)
I did also read on several news articles about the Buninyong Golf course being the place it pinged but wouldn’t it be the tower in Buninying ? Maybe someone can confirm does it ping at the tower or could have pinged at the golf course or somewhere else if anyone can confirm ?

If the tower needs to be close to pickup signal then am I seeing this correctly that the Scotsburn house and the tower are really really close to one another ?

(See image attached) I’ve put a yellow star for each location. Too right one is the tower. Close right?

So IF that’s the case then the accused could have had her or the mobile phone or both in the vehicle at the Scotsburn house , when it pinged at 5pm, and then perhaps he drove to dispose of both or either.

Also as a side q, was the girlfriend out with him the night before ? Why didn’t he just taxi home and not take his car if it is true his vehicle was in the bush .? Hmmmm…
Wow, good job AussieS. I remember that he went to an 80th birthday before going out. I was under the impression he left his car there. Keeping her body in the car all day in that heat would surely draw attention. MOO
 
Was the ping at 5pm off the Buninyong tower, south of the search area ever confirmed by police do we know?

Because I’m just plotting some things in a Google map and maybe I’m wrong with my locations (?) but was the Scotsburn house he was staying at here ?:30 Yendon No 2 Rd · Scotsburn, Victoria

And am I correct in thinking the telecommunications tower is here? 37°39'17.7"S 143°55'26.9"E
(Note: I found this by searching phone tower address list for Buninyong and getting these coordinates..)
I did also read on several news articles about the Buninyong Golf course being the place it pinged but wouldn’t it be the tower in Buninying ? Maybe someone can confirm does it ping at the tower or could have pinged at the golf course or somewhere else if anyone can confirm ?

If the tower needs to be close to pickup signal then am I seeing this correctly that the Scotsburn house and the tower are really really close to one another ?

(See image attached) I’ve put a yellow star for each location. Too right one is the tower. Close right?

So IF that’s the case then the accused could have had her or the mobile phone or both in the vehicle at the Scotsburn house , when it pinged at 5pm, and then perhaps he drove to dispose of both or either.

Also as a side q, was the girlfriend out with him the night before ? Why didn’t he just taxi home and not take his car if it is true his vehicle was in the bush .? Hmmmm…

I don't think the police ever confirmed about the ping. But their initial search was in an area behind the Bunninyong Golf Club, and this was said to be due to the ping. IIRC

Just for fullness of information .... OzTowers says that the "Bunninyong Golf Club" tower is at the top red marker on this map (it is actually in Mt Helen), with the Bunninyong Golf Club being at the lower red marker.

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Google maps

One of Sam's relatives said there was only one tower working that day (probably due to maintenance imo).

The towers are divided into sectors, so the provider can tell which sector a ping is from. From the strength of the ping they can guesstimate how far from the tower the phone was. But it still leaves a wide distance to cover. I am guessing that where they later found the phone is within that same range (haven't looked yet).

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A phone doesn't have to be close to a tower to ping the tower. It just pings the closest (working) tower. The max usable range is about 40km. Link
 
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Was the ping at 5pm off the Buninyong tower, south of the search area ever confirmed by police do we know?

Because I’m just plotting some things in a Google map and maybe I’m wrong with my locations (?) but was the Scotsburn house he was staying at here ?:30 Yendon No 2 Rd · Scotsburn, Victoria

And am I correct in thinking the telecommunications tower is here? 37°39'17.7"S 143°55'26.9"E
(Note: I found this by searching phone tower address list for Buninyong and getting these coordinates..)
I did also read on several news articles about the Buninyong Golf course being the place it pinged but wouldn’t it be the tower in Buninying ? Maybe someone can confirm does it ping at the tower or could have pinged at the golf course or somewhere else if anyone can confirm ?

If the tower needs to be close to pickup signal then am I seeing this correctly that the Scotsburn house and the tower are really really close to one another ?

(See image attached) I’ve put a yellow star for each location. Too right one is the tower. Close right?

So IF that’s the case then the accused could have had her or the mobile phone or both in the vehicle at the Scotsburn house , when it pinged at 5pm, and then perhaps he drove to dispose of both or either.

Also as a side q, was the girlfriend out with him the night before ? Why didn’t he just taxi home and not take his car if it is true his vehicle was in the bush .? Hmmmm…
I forget why, but I thought the ping tower was near Ballarat Bird World, about 4.6km north-west of where you mark.
 
I forget why, but I thought the ping tower was near Ballarat Bird World, about 4.6km north-west of where you mark.

That is where the Mount Helen tower is ... the one OzTowers calls the Bunningyong Golf Course tower.
I wonder if Buninyong Golf club owns that land - it seems to be wooded land.

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(Reference for tower 3350029)

If you zoom in on the map I linked above, you can see Ballarat Bird World right near it.
 
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If the tower is the Mount Helen one, then the police were searching in the right direction for the phone - when they did that initial search in a 'forest area behind the Buninyong Golf Club'.
The dam off Slaughterhouse Road (where the phone was found) is a little further away in that direction.

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Google Maps

5th Feb: "A search is underway in the forest area behind the Buninyong Golf Club." Link
 
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I'm thinking that after PS (allegedly) murdered Samantha he did indeed get a pal to help. But he would have painted it as an accident - "she just ran right out in front of me!" or similar. "But they'll pin it on me!" etc. I find it difficult to believe that 2 murderers existed in his circle of friends. What I can believe is that the friend who probably helped him believed that it wasn't actually murder. When we finally come to trial and learn a lot more of the details, it wouldn't surprise me at all if said friend (assuming he exists) realises that he helped a murderer, and tells all that he knows.
 

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