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I don't understand how it is conducive to teaching them to be self taught our responsible for their actions if they are forced to sit and learn.
In my experience if you missed a crucial lecture you were lost the following lecture and had to work hard to catchup, gather notes and probably got a bad grade on the exam. This was the real world consequence for goofing off rather than attending a class you paid good money for.

You usually learned to be more attentive after that. But if I am forced to listen I am not learning this skill which used to be learned before college anyhow.

Because I do care that 18-year-olds get a good education. That their understanding of Aristotle (huge in our field) is dictated by critical thinking of his ideas in context and not by when they and their best friends decided to use the powder room.

I also care because maybe that student in the bathroom has something more important than I to add to the discussion. And we all miss it because she isn't in the room.

And, also, I would frequently promise a student I would get to his question in "just a few minutes" and then sometimes find--before we had the system--that he wasn't in the room when I got there.
 
[video=youtube;YR5ApYxkU-U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5ApYxkU-U[/video]
 
That video doesn't show the extent of the brutality -- that video ends before he throws her towards the door.

Is there a link to the video where he throws her toward the door?

Not doubting you, but I haven't seen that particular one.

Thanks.
 
Is there a link to the video where he throws her toward the door?

Not doubting you, but I haven't seen that particular one.

Thanks.

Yes -- but I'm in a hotel in the arctic right now, and the internet allows animated gifs, but not streaming media. (It also blocks websites that are deemed entertainment, even low bandwidth ones like IMDB.)
 
I can't view the video either -- but the description reads: "Videos taken by students and posted online show Fields warning the girl to leave her seat or be forcibly removed on Monday. The officer then wraps a forearm around her neck, flips her and the desk backward onto the floor, tosses her toward the front of the classroom and handcuffs her."

Give credit to Fox -- they didn't sugar coat this.
 
Thanks--I tried but the video portion just kept going with the icon of loading, loading, loading...

Then again it is Fox News. :wink: :lol:

This is directly to the video, maybe it will work.

[video=youtu;ggVMqzhkfCk]http://youtu.be/ggVMqzhkfCk[/video]


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Still hard to watch even after the tenth time.

I agree completely. We're used to seeing simulated violence in movies, on TV, etc., and consensual violence in sports, but it's really obvious that this is neither. It's a large, strong man physically abusing a child. I'm sure it's a trigger for many people.
 
Would you approve of a disrespectful and inattentive 10 year old being treated this way?

How about an 8 year old? A 6 year old?

What is the start/stop age for manhandling a child?
 
There are two things here. I don't know why this has to always be treated as one thing - like, you have to find either the girl or the RO guilty.

They're both guilty. That girl's behavior was not appropriate for a public school setting, and she needed to be removed for her behavior. You can't allow that to go unpunished/unresolved in a classroom or it would be bedlam by the end of the school day.

The RO was also very wrong. He was right to attempt to remove her, as was his job, but wrong in how he carried out that effort and now he's been fired.

There is more than one thing here. We aren't required to find one of the other at fault. Both are. The RO's completely unacceptable behavior in removing her doesn't wipe clean her completely inappropriate behavior in class, that still needs to be addressed if she is to return to public school classes. That behavior is intolerable.

No, it’s not like that. A student checking her cell phone in class is not equal to a cop brutally assaulting the girl for it. Thats like the old blame the rape victim game. Hey we can agree that the rapist is a bad guy, but can’t we also agree that the victim provoked the attack? No, we can’t.

What the cop did was way out of line. It was assault, for which he should be charged, and it was a violation of the girl’s civil rights, for which the school system will pay a lot of money. All the girl did was violate a school rule, which should have been handled in a non-violent way by school authorities, probably with after school detention.

Violating the constitution is not equal to violating a school rule.
 
No, it’s not like that. A student checking her cell phone in class is not equal to a cop brutally assaulting the girl for it. Thats like the old blame the rape victim game. Hey we can agree that the rapist is a bad guy, but can’t we also agree that the victim provoked the attack? No, we can’t.

I agree. The flawed logic of "well, she was wrong too" seems to try to justify itself with a sort of "two wrongs make a right" way of thinking.

But it also ignores something -- the two of them were not meeting as equals. There was a hierarchical relationship there -- the officer was in a position of power, in which he has certain rights that she does not. It ignores the fact that with his powers also come responsibilities. He is there for her protection, not for the protection of his own ego, and yet he rages on her like a steroid abuser. I've said this before -- I strongly believe he should be prosecuted, and the school should be sued. This is vital, to ensure that an incident like this does not happen again.
 
No, it’s not like that. A student checking her cell phone in class is not equal to a cop brutally assaulting the girl for it. Thats like the old blame the rape victim game. Hey we can agree that the rapist is a bad guy, but can’t we also agree that the victim provoked the attack? No, we can’t.

What the cop did was way out of line. It was assault, for which he should be charged, and it was a violation of the girl’s civil rights, for which the school system will pay a lot of money. All the girl did was violate a school rule, which should have been handled in a non-violent way by school authorities, probably with after school detention.

Violating the constitution is not equal to violating a school rule.



My son is in middle school. Checking your phone would earn a lunch detention.
 
I can't view the video either -- but the description reads: "Videos taken by students and posted online show Fields warning the girl to leave her seat or be forcibly removed on Monday. The officer then wraps a forearm around her neck, flips her and the desk backward onto the floor, tosses her toward the front of the classroom and handcuffs her."

Give credit to Fox -- they didn't sugar coat this.

It played for me. And I am even more appalled. :(
 
she was "challenging authority" .....after years of homeschooling I decided to put my children in Public School. My then 14year old was appalled at the lack of respect his peers showed. i certainly think excessive force was used, this is not acceptable. However, this students blatant disregard for the rules was obvious. Why did the teacher not step in?
 
You asked for my opinion. In my opinion, when the teacher reprimanded a new student in front of the whole class, he had already lost. Very few children respond positively to being publicly reprimanded. I suspect he didn't know her well enough to predict what would happen. Turning it into a power struggle served no purpose except perhaps to preserve the teachers ego. It is so important for teachers to check their egos at the door of the classroom.
I do disagree with many on this thread about cell phones in the classroom. They are way too much of a temptation and distraction. I described one way to handle cell phones in my comment on page 31 or 32. Another would be to have a discussion with the students on the first day of class and explain that "while we all love our devices, I cannot teach math while kids are texting and if the phones are on your person, you're going to use them. What do you think we should do?"
Note I didn't make any moral judgments about the use of cell phones. I didn't even say that they couldn't learn math while on social media. I made a statement about myself that they cannot argue with: I can't teach under those circumstances. I let them know that we are all on the same side, we are a team, and their opinions will be listened to and valued.
I am astounded at how the same group of children can behave so differently under different circumstances. Many people assume that years and years of public school teaching in a city have embittered me and caused me to despair for our country's future. On the contrary, I am consistently humbled and inspired when I realize that every child wants to be a good student, wants to be perceived as smart, is innately compassionate, even though some of them hide those qualities very deeply.
If the situation in question happened in my classroom, I would try to catch her eye and signal her to put the phone away. If she didn't, I would give her a note asking her to stay after class and talk to me. Then I would go on with class. When I got the chance to talk to her I might say "It's not like you to be goofing off in class. What's going on?" She might be bored by the material, she might be afraid it's too hard, she might be valuing popularity more than education at her age, or, as in this girls case, there might be something really serious going on that I can help with.
As I said, I check my ego at the door. It's not about me being "disrespected". It's about the precious responsibility and opportunity I have to help my students have a better life now and the kind of future they are all dreaming of.

What a great post kareylou - imo while there are many great posts pointing out various aspects across pages and pages of responses, you very eloquently summarize the circumstances and solutions from many posts into one post, comparing apples to apples.
You were responding to a post that was comparing apples to oranges imo and correctly turned the focus back to the mindset of minor students.

It's heartwarming imo to see you and fellow teacher EllieBee come at this with a positive and proper perspective as something to learn from. Well done to both of you!

As for your post #797 - please take up more space to address this - you have much to teach some teachers and others!
 
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