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sonjay said:
You really think that staying off the phone during class is equivalent to being a Stepford Wife? Seriously?

Whatever happened to plain old everyday courtesy and civility? If this girl had simply behaved in school, none of this would have happened. Her behavior was disrespectful not only to the teacher and the principal, but to every one of her classmates. Her desire to be disruptive and defient is not more important than their education. Why should any student be permitted to disrupt class? Especially just because they want to yak on the phone. Yakking on the phone during class is not a civil right, and interfering with the education of all the other students in her class is exceedingly disrespectful of all of them.

Respecting the rights of your fellow students to get an education is hardly being a Stepford Wife.
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I remember having fire drills in elementary and high school. So disruptive. They interfered with my education and the education of all the students in the school. /Sarcasm

I saw no courtesy or civility from the video I saw of Fields. None at all.
 
I am genuinely surprised the cop didn't require a trip to the hospital, claim she caused him bodily injury and then take several days of workmans comp.
 
kimlynn said:
A bit rough? More like a wild savage animal attacking. He is a very lucky man that no one was seriously injured.
I'm pretty sure he didn't even consider that during his take down. He was careless and out of control and has no business being around children. IMO
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I can't believe she wasn't seriously hurt. And you could see he didn't care about hurting or not hurting anyone in the vicinity.

He needs a new job.
 
we have high schools all over America changing their football tackling to prevent hits less violent than this and she wasn't wearing protective gear. But this was warranted....

What have we allowed to happen?
I can't imagine being a child in today's America.
 
If he had to remove her and she refused to get up out of the desk, I think it would've been best if he had picked up the desk with her in it and set it down outside in the hallway. I doubt it would've been a difficult move for him. I also wonder if the name "Slam" comes from his coaching position.

Sheriff Lott declined to comment about what actions Fields should have taken in the heat of the moment because the investigation is ongoing. Fields is also the defensive line and strength coach for Spring Valley's football team.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...uth-carolina-student-punching-officer-n452481
 
vestigare said:
I have seen no evidence this student was reasoned with. From what I have read she did something on a phone that was against policy and that meant the teacher should get to take her phone (whether for the period, school day, or whenever) and when she refused to comply to what could be seen as arbitrary "policy" they then escalated the situation and involved a violent person who thinks his badge allows him to assualt and batter a person.
If anything our schools should be teaching children to be free thinkers. Question arbitrary rules and authority. That is what education is about. If we all start just goose stepping with whatever policy is written we are in deep trouble as a nation.
Reasoning doesn't appear to be an option anymore. It seems to be immediate compliance or else.
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You've seen no evidence of reasoning on vid??? Me neither & I've asked multiple times for link to pre-event vid.
No response yet. Maybe school surv cams record, maybe not. But since I've not seen pre-event vid, I would not expect to see any reasoning on vid. Would like to see pre-event vid.

Personally taking students, school E'ees, LE, attys, parents stmts w shakers of salt, like in virtually all cases.

Cell policy is arbitrary? Maybe. Or not. But it's there in black & white, adopted by top administrators (school bd itself?) presumably ack'ed in writing by parents & students. IIUC, some saying it's arbitrary, iyo, can disregard it, ignore it, violate it in the cause of questioning authority? And too bad for any student in the class who wants to learn.

IIUC, these arbitrary rules are (one of) the reasons kids are 'getting the shaft' iyo, per another post? Because school policies prohibit students from using cells for ~6 classroom hrs per school day, iyo? A real deprivation, iyo? No snark, no sarc, IDK, seems this case is getting lost in this thread.

Imo, better in this thread to discuss knowns about this student, this school, SVHS & dist policies, etc. than throwing around imagined info; unknowns; and what ppl guess policies are or might be, as some are posting, and what's causing the Fall of American Education in the 21stC. JM2cts.
 
bluesneakers said:
I can't believe she wasn't seriously hurt. And you could see he didn't care about hurting or not hurting anyone in the vicinity.

He needs a new job.
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She so easily could have hit her head or hurt her back from being thrown down on that hard floor and dragged/thrown across the floor.
The desk almost hit other students. He couldn't have been thinking of it from a safety standpoint.
Yes, she should have complied, but the reaction from him for not doing so was out of line with her offense. IMO
 
Skipping past all the obvious debates, this officer is there to keep order in the school. Sometimes that may involve force; at no time should it involve escalating a bad situation or losing one's temper. I have no doubt that most police would have resolved this in a manner that did not look like that. That looks like someone losing control - it is what I would expect to see from an abusive parent or significant other going into a rage and lashing out in a criminal and personal manner. There are many cases where stressed out people lose control, but there are consequences. They definitely cannot have a job that requires maintaining order and professionalism in difficult situations, especially in a school. Accepting for the sake of argument that it was necessary for the officer to remove her by force (I can't really see alternatives), after telling her to go or be handcuffed, he could have handcuffed her as she sat, pulled her up, and escorted her outside, where it could then be addressed in a hopefully better manner and end with her being released without charges. That would have ended the disruption in an orderly, effective manner. Even if she resisted a little, he could easily have done this given his strength, without it looking so appalling, and then pursued charges if necessary . Nothing in that video gives me the impression he was fearful about being overpowered or her having a weapon. His actions weren't neutralizing the situation or preserving his safety - it looked like pure power tripping, and that can't be a motivator for someone with such an important, difficult job.

ETA: and good point about hurting others in the vicinity - the whole thing looks like it creates more danger for everyone involved.
 
I would like to know why a teenage student would refuse to cooperate with her teacher, a school administrator and finally a police officer over a very minor issue? A cell phone.

It's not like she would never get it back. What was going on in her mind to be so resistant to the orders given to her?


She needs to learn that she doesn't get to decide what always happens. She lives in a society with many rules and laws that must be obeyed whether you agree with them or not.

Someone failed to teach her that. JMO
 
RANCH said:
I would like to know why a teenage student would refuse to cooperate with her teacher, a school administrator and finally a police officer over a very minor issue? A cell phone.

It's not like she would never get it back. What was going on in her mind to be so resistant to the orders given to her?


She needs to learn that she doesn't get to decide what always happens. She lives in a society with many rules and laws that must be obeyed whether you agree with them or not.

Someone failed to teach her that. JMO
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Have you never known a teenager? :)
 
"We saw a pretty routine discipline issue become a criminal issue in just a matter of minutes," said Lavarello, head of the School Safety Advocacy Council. "... It escalated needlessly."
 
I was going to try to stay out of this discussion, but I want to mention something about the SROs I have known. Their jobs were to make sure that anyone in the building belonged there, to call for police, medical assistance or fire department as needed, to patrol the grounds for hazards and deal with students involved in violence, drugs and other illegal activities. None of them was a part of normal classroom discipline .

MOO
 
kimlynn said:
She so easily could have hit her head or hurt her back from being thrown down on that hard floor and dragged/thrown across the floor.
The desk almost hit other students. He couldn't have been thinking of it from a safety standpoint.
Yes, she should have complied, but the reaction from him for not doing so was out of line with her offense. IMO
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He was way out of line and unprofessional at the least. I wonder how he knew he wouldn't hurt anyone. And if he knew he was being recorded, did he care? Why weren't the kids all losing their minds and freaking out? My gut tells me this isn't the first time he's used excessive force in a classroom. JMO.
 
When I first heard of this earlier today I thought I would side with the officer. I have seen how insolent some kids can be these days to teachers and other authority figures as well as at home. In too many households these kids call the shots. Some of the parents are too busy, others don't care, and some are actually in fear of how their kids will react if they (the parents) dare to set boundaries.

Back in my high school days it was almost unheard of to be defiant to a teacher or school admininstrator. Yeah, you occasionally had a classmate push the limits but that was so rare that the rest of us would just sit with our mouths hanging open dreading what would come next, all while knowing the kid deserved it. But that is not how it is today. Today kids get away with a lot and they know they can get away with a lot.

Then I saw the video in its entirety, the one with audio where you can hear a student try to get the officer to ease up on the female student and he snaps back with, "I'll put you in jail too!"

I do think the student involved in the subject of this thread shoulders some of the blame for administrators feeling they had no choice but to call this officer in to do his job. She was insolent, clearly, and she should not get a pass on that. The problem that I saw in the video in this case is that I do not see the officer doing his job as much as I see him reacting to an individual student who pissed him off. IOW, this officer did not use physical force because it was necessary, he used force because he was mad.

Student insolence is of course unacceptable but this officer's action was wrong on every level.
 
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