SC - Heather Elvis, 20, Myrtle Beach, 18 Dec 2013 - #14

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A small but maybe important difference - not 'discussions' but the word used is COMMUNICATIONS as late as 6 a.m.

Nothing has been said about pings but maybe that's why they believe she drove to PTL if they were able to trace her pings. But LE didn't say that.

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LE didn't give any indication of where they believe she disappeared from. Well, they sort of do by saying they believe she drove to PTL but how do they really know?
Notice too that the reporter inserts the word STRONGLY while Rhodes stated, "We're FAIRLY COMFORTABLE that she drove there herself," .
Since when does fairly comfortable equate to strongly?


http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

Everything indicates that she drove there," added Lt. Chip Squires with Horry County police, the lead county investigator. "We do not have anything that indicates she did not drive there."

[BBM]

I think this quote from the lead investigator is very strong, especially since LE has barely said a word of substantial information.

How they can be so certain, I don't know, but I read this as unequivocal.
 
http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

Everything indicates that she drove there," added Lt. Chip Squires with Horry County police, the lead county investigator. "We do not have anything that indicates she did not drive there."

[BBM]

I think this quote from the lead investigator is is very strong, especially since LE has barely said a word of substantial information.

How they can be so certain, I don't know, but I read this as unequivocal.

I read it as a logical fallacy.

But I assume they just mean there's no reason to believe otherwise so in the grand scheme of things, they don't.
 
What clothes did Heather have on when she drove to PTL that night?
 
We went through this whole thing with Dylan's case, i.e "last electronic communication" or something to that effect, trying to figure out what the H they mean...we still do not know.

As far as their seeming sure of her driving there, IMO, either she said in a text she was going there, or told BW, or both, and also that her car showed no signs anyone else have driven it there.
 
I believe the report of turned off phone,etc was in that xojane first report made by TE,which has now since been revised/updated.
you better nail your jello to the wall quickly,before it starts jiggling again:moo:

Lol, you mean before it becomes a discussion as opposed to a communication? I'll leave that terminology adventure to the media. :twocents:

But the xojane article reference is the one in the context of finding the car.
 
BBM and snipped

"Although police chief Saundra Rhodes said Thursday that the investigation remains "very active," she said police still lack any probable cause to make an arrest."

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

The above tells me the police know who killed (sorry IMHO) Heather. Probable cause not too sure what they need for that is that motive? I think they might be hoping for a body before a murder arrest.

ETA: Does anyone know what the term Probable Cause means?

BBM...


http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1618
 
I read it as a logical fallacy.

But I assume they just mean there's no reason to believe otherwise so in the grand scheme of things, they don't.


Just my opinion, but they have served a lot of search warrants and likely have all of HEs cell records (and maybe others' as well), including pings. If they had no reason to believe otherwise, I doubt they would have made that statement after all this time.

The HCPD seems to be under major scrutiny, for not only this case, but for all the other unsolved missing/murdered cases. That is why, limited as it, I think that statement is very significant.
 
Just my opinion, but they have served a lot of search warrants and likely have all of HEs cell records (and maybe others' as well), including pings. If they had no reason to believe otherwise, I doubt they would have made that statement after all this time.

The HCPD seems to be under major scrutiny, for not only this case, but for all the other unsolved missing/murdered cases. That is why, limited as it, I think that statement is very significant.

I don't know what happened to Heather.

But I think what's significant is, if she mentioned in texts or any other communication where she was going, she mentioned why and whether or not she was meeting anyone.
 
What clothes did Heather have on when she drove to PTL that night?

I, too, have wondered that for a long time.

I have also wondered why the parents did not say she did change clothes, if she did.

Obviously they know if the "date clothes" were in HE's apartment.
 
You probably remember the discussions about this.....Some have opined that HE may have met at PTL quite a few times. During some of those times, she may have left her car there for lengthy periods of time.

If "Michael" just happened to look out the window Monday and see HE car there for a few hours and then left their house for the evening and never thoguht about it much more. Then on Thursday, "Michael" notices the car there again, they may think it had never left.

Maybe a mixup of that nature.

Just in case anyone got confused and thought the reporter was saying the woman's name was Michael, I don't believe that's what he meant. The reporter (Brandon) who was at PTL giving the report was talking to Michael Maely, the anchor of WMBF. He was only addressing Michael Maely when he said Michael. I don't believe he was stating the woman's name. I don't know if her name was ever provided.
 
I do not think they will prosecute the case without finding Heather. I could only find 3 examples in the past 25 years of no body cases in Horry County. Also, the Supreme Court in South Carolina says prosecutors must show signs of criminal conduct, such as blood stains, before there can be a conviction. Lastly, if Horry County is not speaking out much because they are worried about their reputation, tourism, well, a no-body case is very unusual, and is sure to bring a lot of attention to the area. It's also risky, and there's a chance they could lose the trial, and a murderer could get away with it. So if what people are saying about Horry County and MB is true, it doesn't seem like the place that is going to try a no-body trial.
 
I don't what happened to Heather.

But I think what's significant is, if she mentioned in texts or any other communication where she was going, she mentioned why and whether or not she was meeting anyone.

Yes, but they're not telling that. Only that she went to PTL of her own free will.
 
BBM and snipped

"Although police chief Saundra Rhodes said Thursday that the investigation remains "very active," she said police still lack any probable cause to make an arrest."

http://www.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_ada6ad1c-8f77-11e3-8ca7-001a4bcf6878.html

The above tells me the police know who killed (sorry IMHO) Heather. Probable cause not too sure what they need for that is that motive? I think they might be hoping for a body before a murder arrest.

ETA: Does anyone know what the term Probable Cause means?

I'm pretty sure she means they have no facts nor any reasonable circumstantial evidence to arrest someone for her disappearance. How can you know who killed anyone without any of that? You can't...really.
 
I don't know what happened to Heather.

But I think what's significant is, if she mentioned in texts or any other communication where she was going, she mentioned why and whether or not she was meeting anyone.

I worry if LE is even able to get any of the text content from T-Mobile. I know a few years back when Deutsche Telekom and France Télécom merged T-Mobile did not retain any of the content from SMS for more than 24hrs. (Although they did retain 5 years of call info.)

As late as July/August 2013 T-Mobile still did not retain any SMS content. This information was provided during an investor board meeting conference call. I do not have a link, so please feel free to doubt me, but it should be accessible somewhere in their investor relations link online...(happy digging:scared:) **Edited to provide this link for their Investor Relations Site - http://www.telekom.com/ir **

If they aren't retaining that content more than 24 hours, I worry how this will turn out. I wonder if that could be the reason nothing more has been done...The answer could very well never be gained if it comes down to having to strictly rely on T-Mobile to gain the content of those texts...especially if the person on the other end of that communication had T-Mobile and deleted their texts and/or is uncooperative. I do wonder which provider the other person or persons were utilizing and what possible other services were utilized during any communications.
 
The best news I took from this article is a profiler is on their task force team.
 
Yes, but they're not telling that. Only that she went to PTL of her own free will.

And they shouldn't tell us that. I'm just saying it makes sense that if she said something about PTL in her communications, there was more to that than a geography reference.

My quip about the fallacy was tongue in cheek because of their wording. I don't see anything that was said as particularly unequivocal. I think that's intentional and to be expected. They haven't even called this foul play.

I personally view the greater remarks today as a loud message that this is an active investigation and LE is not stupid, nor did they "botch" the investigation, as has been suggested.
 
TE said the last time the phone was used was at 3:41. He said it was turned off after that and he went on to say that was unlike Heather to turn off her phone. That's what makes it confusing.

If that remark about usage is not correct (for whatever reason), and there was still phone usage until 6:00, as per two reports now, it still wouldn't matter what kind of communication was used. The record would show the time and duration of any activity.

My question is who was using the phone all that time after Heather's last contact with her roommate? We don't know.

There's no information on pings that we can discuss here. But it would be interesting to know for certain where the phones in question were during all the activity that's said to have gone on until 6:00.

It's a problem for a person if the claim is he wanted no more calls, then his phone was part of a "back and forth" for a period of time, but it's a bigger problem if his phone was not a reasonable distance from Heather's phone, or not at a location that makes sense, while all this was going on.

I've always felt the phone records, both activity log and pings, tell a good deal of this story.

The other thing is, according to the media article on the police report, OM stated he had called Heather "the night before", as in the 17th, to tell her to stop calling. How does that work if his phone was involved in the later exchanges that flowed into the 18th?

Again, where were the two phones according to ping records for this period of time?

That's what I'd like to know.

How are PMs conducted? Via what method?
We have PMs on WS meaning private message. But it's unlikely they're referring to HE's PMs on WS!

Since HE's social media stopped just past 2AM, is there a way she could have been sending PMs up until 6AM?
What gadgets include PMs that aren't considered social media?
Email is email not PMs, right?

PMs aren't texts, right? Texts are texts.
So, did PMs stop shortly past 2AM too?
If so, does that only leave the possibility of her phone which would be voice or text.? (She could do internet stuff on her phone though too, right?)

PMs aren't tweets. PMs aren't tumblr. PMs aren't FB. PMs aren't emails. Where do PMs come into play for HE?

Reminding, we know nothing about Pings from LE.
Also, I continue to be confused more than I would anyway because of the reporting - they take too much liberty when interpreting what's been said by officials.
Even LE and Rhodes gave different messages. Rhodes said "fairly comfortable" and LE said "Everything" points to - about HE driving herself to PTL. Then the reporter used "Strongly".

The info given today was for the purpose of pacifying the public, nothing more imo.
Also the reporting should have been clean - not mixing the old in with the new as they did.
They should have kept what was reported to what was said today imo.

This really is the weakest press/police communications I've encountered even when they do speak out. Terrible. Rhodes couldn't stand in front of a TV camera and let everybody hear her answers? Really bad and other than the PMs mentioned, nothing has been clarified at all. Sex trafficking is off the table but that's the only progress that's been made (as far as the public is concerned).
 
I guess what we don't know is whether or not activity between Heather's cell phone and the man is the same as activity between Heather and the man.

It just dawned on me that there's more than one older man in the world. lol!
Has LE ever stated the call and communications were between a specific older man? I'm all mixed up. Has LE used a name when the media is saying "older man"? Or, have we been inserting a specific name to fit?
 
There was a game mentioned many threads ago, believe that it was something HE referenced on SM that she enjoyed. Do these have PM's.

Also, a FB acct. with a fake names for both parties , would give them access to chat and opened posting.

Just a thought.

Thanks, would those modes be considered social media?
If so, they'd be prior to 2 AM then.

I'm trying to narrow down what typed of communication may have happened after 2 AM when Heather's social media stopped.
It's probably not possible to do so though.
 
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