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otto said:
The only point that stood out for me was that the truck that Paul drove to Moselle was parked at the house. There was testimony that Paul always drove to the kennels. If his truck was at the house, how did he get to the kennels? Golf cart?

Why wasn't the golf cart at the kennels if Paul and Maggie used it to get to the kennels?

It seems like Alex, Maggie and Paul used the golf cart to drive to the kennels that night, but didn't Alex claim that he didn't know how they got to the kennels?
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Thanks otto! Intersting thoughts on the golf cart. Why wasn't it at the kennels indeed..........
 
Boodles said:
@Diddian No, but you’ve got part of it straight. It’s confusing. Here’s what JMM said:

1. RM got an unscheduled Dr appt for Handsome (RM3=“H”), needed JMM to meet him 1/2 way to get H to Savannah
2. RM picked H up at Almeda. Drove him in Miss Libby’s car 1/2 way.
3. JMM took H to Dr in Savannah in Miss Libby’s car
4. RM drove JMM’s truck back to Almeda
5. H admitted to hospital. JMM drove Miss Libby’s car home to Okatie. Paul, who worked at Okatie with JMM, was asked to drive Miss Libby’s car back to Almeda, and to then drive JMMs truck back to Okatie when he, Paul, came to work the next day.
6. Paul drove Miss Libby’s car to Almeda, then took JMM’s truck to Moselle.
7. JMM received call about murders. All he had was Paul’s “hunk of junk” farm truck.
8. JMM got in farm truck. He was concerned about the truck making it to Moselle, so he called Greg Alexander (Yemassee police chief, a friend), and asked for an “escort” to Moselle in case of a breakdown. GA agreed.
9. In Varnville, GA passed JMM. But then the farm truck broke down. JMM called GA and said “turn around and come get me” (in Varnville).
10. GA does and they proceed to Moselle.

Is that clear? (Ha!)

Wow, now that I have thought about it, it’s hinky as heck!! I think this implies how the evidence AM disposed of was done (AM was in Varnville/Almeda between 9:22 - 9:43, and IIRC, Onstar data showed he paused near the train tracks in front of Almeda for a few minutes).

But why would the DEFENSE bring it up unless it’s preemptive because they think CW has something about this in rebuttal?

And remember, during this logistical nightmare testimony, Griffin asked JMM: “Did you see any guns in the farm truck?” Why did he ask him that Q?

I need a secret decoder ring! Does anyone else find this awfully unusual?
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Oh, there's definitely something hinky going on. 100%
 
I think AM is responsible for the murders of his wife and son. But there are enough holes in the prosecution's case to allow for some reasonable doubt in my mind, partly because their theory appears to be that he did this all himself.

The theory that keeps swirling in my head is that AM hired another shooter (or shooters) to either do both killings or to help him. Has this been entirely ruled out? Perhaps the hitman shot Paul at close range and AM shot Maggie. I'm even wondering if the hitman/men arrived earlier than AM expected, muddying up his alibi.

My issues with the prosecution's AM single shooter theory: If Paul's murder occurred at such close range, how did AM clean himself up so quickly after the murders, leaving no evidence on his clothes, body, or in his house or vehicles? How was he able to dispose of the guns and clothes if LE knows exactly where he was in the two hours after the murders? Why two guns? While it may have been possible for AM to use two guns, it doesn't seem the risk would be worth the minimal benefit of creating the appearance of two shooters.

A hired hitman could also explain why he said HE could never, ever hurt his wife or son...

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I'm trying to catch up!
 
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Diddian said:
I did not write that JMM drove RM3 to the appt in the old farm truck.
I wrote that it was a risky choice to drive that unreliable vehicle because it could be a major inconvenience since it could have EITHER broken down while JMM was on his way to meet RM4 (so RM3 and RM4 would be sitting there waiting while JMM was broken down) OR it could have broken down after he traded with RM4 and RM4 was then driving it to whatever his "time sensitive" meeting was.
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I guess I misunderstood your post then.
 
la_cavalière said:
I think AM is responsible for the murders of his wife and son. But there are enough holes in the prosecution's case to allow for some reasonable doubt in my mind, partly because their theory appears to be that he did this all himself.

The theory that keeps swirling in my head is that AM hired another shooter (or shooters) to either do both killings or to help him. Has this been entirely ruled out? Perhaps the hitman shot Paul at close range and AM shot Maggie. I'm even wondering if the hitman/men arrived earlier than AM expected, muddying up his alibi.

My issues with the prosecution's AM single shooter theory: If Paul's murder occurred at such close range, how did AM clean himself up so quickly after the murders, leaving no evidence on his clothes, body, or in his house or vehicles? How was he able to dispose of the guns and clothes if LE knows exactly where he was in the two hours after the murders? Why two guns? While it may have been possible for AM to use two guns, it doesn't seem it the risk would be worth the minimal benefit of creating the appearance of two shooters.

A hired hitman could also explain why he said HE could never, ever hurt his wife or son...

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I'm trying to catch up!
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Interesting thoughts. We only have AM's testimony that the dogs did not bark, that no on else was there when he was. A hired hitman would probably have gotten the 'job' done cleaner though, and from my Criminal Justice studies, knowing common behaviors for certain types of killings, I am positive AM killed Maggie himself, as her murder was full of Rage. To shoot her that many times indicates Hate/Rage/Vengeance. If someone else fits that... Appearances are often deceiving, and though people said they had a loving relationship is questionable, as people put on a Face in Public that does not always exist in private. MOO
 
IMO Alec stripped down right at the kennels. Perhaps the tarp and raincoat were in the golf cart. Covering the weapons.

Alec hoses himself off. Clothes go into a bag, a duffle, a cooler. Weapons get washed off, wrapped in the raincoat.

Returns to the house where he gets fresh clothing. Bloody clothes never enter the house.

As I hypothesized upthread, the only blood left from the crime scene was in his nose.

We've seen what his crying and carrying on looks like. It's snot pretty. And IMO that's how DNA got transfered to the shirt in small quantity.

Remember those tire tracks that responding officers noted? Was there someone else on scene while Alec was at Almeda, cleaning up after him? Something is fishy.

JMO
 
RatFace said:
I just started following this trial recently and I have a question that most probably was answered much earlier.

AM was wearing a blue shirt and khaki pants in the video his son took earlier in the evening before the murders but was wearing a white t-shirt and shorts right after murders when talking to LE. Presumably the theory is that he took off the bloodied blue shirt/khakis and showered after the murders and changed into the shorts. Did LE find the blue shirt and khakis or are they missing? This seems critical. Even if he washed them wouldn't they be able to find blood residue with proper technique?
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No, never found
 
Megnut said:
IMO Alec stripped down right at the kennels. Perhaps the tarp and raincoat were in the golf cart. Covering the weapons.

Alec hoses himself off. Clothes go into a bag, a duffle, a cooler. Weapons get washed off, wrapped in the raincoat.

Returns to the house where he gets fresh clothing. Bloody clothes never enter the house.

As I hypothesized upthread, the only blood left from the crime scene was in his nose.

We've seen what his crying and carrying on looks like. It's snot pretty. And IMO that's how DNA got transfered to the shirt in small quantity.

Remember those tire tracks that responding officers noted? Was there someone else on scene while Alec was at Almeda, cleaning up after him? Something is fishy.

JMO
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Tire tracks could be from anytime. He said that he and Paul were there earlier looking at dead sunflowers(ruse), and once SLED got there, it was raining, so much was not detectable, and any blood washed off could not be detected. Too bad tehy could not get clear tire tracks to match vehicles owned by Murdaughs, or otherwise. I'm with you. Moo
 
justtrish said:
Well when money is being stolen and no real way to show where it goes, other than the drug habit that honestly isn't believable at the level he claims.. then I think is he gambling, is there another woman, something shifty on the side for sure.
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Could he have been blackmailed and that’s where big chunks of change went? I find it hard to believe his drug habit ate up as much as he’d like us to believe.
 
Thoughts on why they had Alex testify between the expert witnesses? It seems like it would be more cohesive having all the forensics together, three different type of experts that are complementing, supporting each other’s testimony. From what I heard today, some of it seemed to contradict the 5’2” shooter theory they presented last week regarding angles of the wounds
 
Megnut said:
Not sure if it's related to the hallway consult but JS has to be steamed that she's been portrayed as untruthful, overblown by Alec&Co. I can believe some righteous indignation.

JMO
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JS was one of the best witnesses in my opinion. I feel sorry for all the people who grew up with members of the Murdaugh family, through high school, through college and some also through law school. It would be horrible to learn that someone you had known that long not only committed a ton of financial crimes, but also was potentially a double murderer!
 
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