Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #5

[TrialWatcher]

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I'm kinda amazed-and dismayed- actually, how all the sudden here Travis the victim is being transformed into Travis the sex addict who willingly opened the door to his stalker, alas, otherwise , had he not been addicted to sex, he might still be alive.

After 3 years, with more information available now than was known in either trial, much of it that directly contradicts any such contention. Really?

No one has said Travis was a sex addict that I have seen. To make that suggestion shows a misreading of the clear arguments put forward. The recent debate has focused around Travis' own words on his addiction to Arias. I'm dismayed how some people are putting forward claims of rape with no reasonable evidence beyond opinion.

The only reason this is being debated at all is because some put forward opinions that Travis did not have sex with Arias and others ask for evidence to back up such theories. Not a jot of evidence of any strength has been put forward to counter the very strong evidence in court which resulted in conviction for murder. Regardless of the sex, he wouldn't be alive. She went there to slaughter him. It was proven to be premeditation in court.:

 

[geevee]

Spybot also activated on June 10 while Travis was dead and Jodi was serving pot roast at the Purple Plum

Link, please.

 

[TexMex]

I have heard it all now. Can someone please tell me at what point in the trial the "knee" was discussed and Juan agreed it was Travis' knee? I know I was drinking on some days of the trial but I simply do not recall it. Not saying it didn't happen, but IDR it.

It was in his book CA

 

[TexMex]

Link, please.

During the computer testimony of BN. It was virus related access, not user

I don't have a link to the pot roast..that was just a guess

 

[kmp3]

Okay. I have kept silent throughout the debates, BUT, I can only shut up for a short time as I have read so many varying "opinions" on naked pics=sex. I have seen zero evidence of "sex" on June 4th. Naked pics do not equate sex acts as I am sure everyone is aware of, so where is the proof? Someone, anyone? The pics of Travis appear to be of a sleeping and just recently awoken, and yes, KY bottle staged Travis. The pics of the butcheress are not sexual, they are disgusting displays of her nasty female parts. There is no "proof" that the timestamps are correct, so IMO no one has actual PROOF that any sex occurred that day. JMO.

I'll agree that there is no definitive evidence that sex happened that day. All we know for sure is that they were both naked, on his bed. The assumption is that they had sex. This is not just my assumption, but everyone involved in the trail as well. Including the police and JM.

So, yes, it's an assumption--but there is firm evidence to support it (the pics, the KY). IMO, it takes a much larger leap of logic to say he was raped, or sleeping or, that they just took pics and didn't have sex. But, yk, that's me. I appreciate that there are different views on this topic. Unfortunately, we won't ever know.

 

[TexMex]

No one has said Travis was a sex addict that I have seen. To make that suggestion shows a misreading of the clear arguments put forward. The recent debate has focused around Travis' own words on his addiction to Arias. I'm dismayed how some people are putting forward claims of rape with no reasonable evidence beyond opinion.

The only reason this is being debated at all is because some put forward opinions that Travis did not have sex with Arias and others ask for evidence to back up such theories. Not a jot of evidence of any strength has been put forward to counter the very strong evidence in court which resulted in conviction for murder. Regardless of the sex, he wouldn't be alive. She went there to slaughter him. It was proven to be premeditation in court.:

I don't think he was a sex addict. I think he became addicted, by manipulation of a sociopath, to the "cycle" (his word) of this toxic relationship.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

The time stamps were verified by EXIF data. The pic taken of her bent over, taken by Travis with his new camera, was a photo of her immediately after anal sex. He took pictures of what he'd just "done". They discussed taking exactly such pictures in their May 10 recording.

Again, ladies sorry about the graphic language.

Proof Tex, Proof. I don't have "proof" there was no sex, and you don't have "proof" there was sex. I disagree that Travis would be taking a pic of her anus to show " what he had just done".

 

[Val1]

IMO the number of words is not the point. She is manipulating him.
Has to tell him something. Things.
Oops an accidental text
He doesn't have to reply yet he does...one word or not
The re establishing communication then leads to thawing on his part
We don't know how often they spoke by phone during this period
By June 2nd they speak for an hour then she heads towards his house

Before I log back into my real life, one question, how do you know that "hour" wasn't just JA playing her "tape" for him, essentially verifying she had the "goods" on him and exactly what she was going to send to any/all of his future prospects unless he agreed to "do/give" something for her in return for it, while he sat there realizing that "screwing the pooch" just didn't justify what she'd done to him and possibly others? What may have set her off was him telling her to f off and do her worst, that he was done with it and her... :thinking:

 

[geevee]

The time stamps were verified by EXIF data. The pic taken of her bent over, taken by Travis with his new camera, was a photo of her immediately after anal sex. He took pictures of what he'd just "done". They discussed taking exactly such pictures in their May 10 recording.

Again, ladies sorry about the graphic language.

I'd love to see the EXIF data for the nudes, but I think Melendez said the only files recoverable of the nudes were the thumbnail files. And the nudes are likely those exact pics you mention, it was the only time braids were ever discussed in relation to their sexy time, no?

 

[TrialWatcher]

Okay. I have kept silent throughout the debates, BUT, I can only shut up for a short time as I have read so many varying "opinions" on naked pics=sex. I have seen zero evidence of "sex" on June 4th. Naked pics do not equate sex acts as I am sure everyone is aware of, so where is the proof? Someone, anyone? The pics of Travis appear to be of a sleeping and just recently awoken, and yes, KY bottle staged Travis. The pics of the butcheress are not sexual, they are disgusting displays of her nasty female parts. There is no "proof" that the timestamps are correct, so IMO no one has actual PROOF that any sex occurred that day. JMO.

Please provided proof to negate the evidence produced in court or the counter arguments to your theory. <modsnip>. The pics may not be sexual to you but they scream graphic sexual intimacy to others. You think that Travis and Arias were naked with KY on the bed for non-sexual purposes? Or the pics of Arias - in pornographically intimate detail are not sexual?

There is proof that the timestamps are correct. The evidence in court was strong and accepted by the jury. There has been no evidence offered on this forum that negates the timestamp evidence. Some of the arguments put forward have been demonstrably incorrect yet people chose to ignore that or not answer - which is their perfect right. I'm delighted you have decided to rejoin the debate and hope to learn more from whatever you submit on this.

 

[TexMex]

Proof Tex, Proof. I don't have "proof" there was no sex, and you don't have "proof" there was sex. I disagree that Travis would be taking a pic of her anus to show " what he had just done".

He spoke of taking exactly such pics on May 10.

 

[kmp3]

I'm kinda amazed-and dismayed- actually, how all the sudden here Travis the victim is being transformed into Travis the sex addict who willingly opened the door to his stalker, alas, otherwise , had he not been addicted to sex, he might still be alive.

This comes perilously close to saying that because we believed TA was addicted, he is at fault for his murder. Not cool. I don't believe anyone here, no matter their viewpoint on the sex, believes TA was at fault for what JA did to him. Yes, I believe he was addicted to JA and their toxic, chaotic, sexual relationship (NOT a sex addict). But addiction isn't anyone's FAULT. It's something that grabs at you and won't let go.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

A woman promising all kinds of sex is more effective than a man to a woman. A woman knows what to do, most men kinda rambling around not really being the stud he promised to be. And to a Mormon man, a woman like Jodi, who had been screwing around since her teens, would seem to be a dream come true. Both of them were pretty immature in their sex life. All Jodi had to offer was blow jobs, anal sex and vaginal sex,and that was wearing thin. She had to come up with more kink to keep him, especially if he was hooking up with CL and others. Jodi was old, worn out, she couldn't compete with a fresh face inexperienced Mormon girl

I sent her a book (JK), lest we forget this... that female had been around the block and kept circling it.

 

[geevee]

During the computer testimony of BN. It was virus related access, not user

I don't have a link to the pot roast..that was just a guess

BN as well as Pseudo 'Mr. Smith' both mentioned the Spybot file ativation during the hard drive hearings but it was activated on June 4th at 1:44 p.m., not at any other time, Apple downloaded updates on June 10th when Flores awakened the computer from Sleep, and I think Windows also downloaded some updates but Spybot was never activated after the 4th. It is user activated unless it is set to scan at a set time (and 1:44 p.m. is a very odd time, I'm not even certain it can be set anytime other than on the hour or half hour).

 

[TrialWatcher]

I don't think he was a sex addict. I think he became addicted, by manipulation of a sociopath, to the "cycle" (his word) of this toxic relationship.

From his own words, Travis was addicted to Arias and the sex between them. His own sister, Samantha said that she was like a drug to him.

No one here that I have seen has claimed Travis was a sex addict or having sex with everyone and anyone to satisfy a need. Far from it. Travis' addiction was to Arias and the sex they had. He didn't want to marry her, be her boyfriend after they broke up. Sex was all she had to offer.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I don't think he was a sex addict. I think he became addicted, by manipulation of a sociopath, to the "cycle" (his word) of this toxic relationship.

I agree, he wasn't a sex addict. He was a normal 30 year old male with urges. Mormon/Sex, Sex/Mormon? I believe he struggled daily with his guilt and with that being said I am done discussing his private struggles. I will add this though, I don't know much about the Mormon teachings, but I sometimes feel they place way too may restrictions for the younger generations to adhere to. I know for me, I would be an outcast. For most, sex does not equal being a bad person, and I am a good person. :cheers:

 

[LinTX]

I guess I'll throw my thoughts on the pile. Did they have sex on 6/4 and did he know she was taking the shower pics? I say no, not until the last few . The look on his face at 5:27:18 is surprise at seeing her. A couple after that look like a struggle, and the focused one of him looking directly @ the camera tells me he is really scared. By that time I think he either saw a weapon and/or she was so crazed that he knew this was very serious. The pics before 5:27:18 show his back turned to the door, his face upturned toward the shower head, or his eyes were closed, etc. Plus he was taking a shower in what he thought was an empty house, probably planning the day in his mind. AFAIK, he may have rarely shut the shower door, it's a fairly small shower for a man his size. But he was enjoying his shower and up until 5:27:18, looked relaxed, peaceful and unposed, IMO.

Was Travis addicted, sexually? Yes, I think he was. He suffered through his 'addiction' to her for a long while, trying to work himself out of it while losing self-respect and his confidence in being able to follow his religious teachings, not to mention other good women that he cared about. He probably also knew she was not mentally healthy and may have thought it would be cruel of him to abandon her, but in reality he was simply her sexual conquest. He was probably very naive about most of his thinking related to her and her type. But I do think whatever he had discovered about JA had finally allowed him to open his eyes and really see her for the first time. He finally wanted nothing to do with her. I think she knew it too, so she began the plans to murder him. She had snuck into his house several times before, and I believe she did on that early morning as well. I don't know how she managed the bed pics, with the exif data they contained, but I think she did somehow.

 

[TexMex]

BN as well as Pseudo 'Mr. Smith' both mentioned the Spybot file ativation during the hard drive hearings but it was activated on June 4th at 1:44 p.m., not at any other time, Apple downloaded updates on June 10th when Flores awakened the computer from Sleep, and I think Windows also downloaded some updates but Spybot was never activated after the 4th. It is user activated unless it is set to scan at a set time (and 1:44 p.m. is a very odd time, I'm not even certain it can be set anytime other than on the hour or half hour).

One of the Spybot blocked sites is Insertthisco**com. It was visited daily from 5/28 - 6/2 with an additional visit on June 10th. BN stated the June 10th visit was virus related.

 

[GigiG]

Hi GigiG, long time no converse with. I have had the flu and took a much needed break from the forum but glad to see ya' on here.

Miss you too, Caylee! Been here, but mostly just reading. I don't have the BK files, so it's interesting to see what different people have divined from them. :/

Hope you're feeling better, my friend!

 

[geevee]

One of the Spybot blocked sites is Insertthisco**com. It was visited daily from 5/28 - 6/2 with an additional visit on June 10th. BN stated the June 10th visit was virus related.

Just because it is a site Spybot put into the Restricted Sites area of the browser (Immunize feature) doesn't mean any Spybot files were activated. The browser history would note there was an attempt to connect to that web address but all that would have happened was a blank page on the browser with a 404 or similar message saying the site could not be accessed.