THE REST OF THE TAPES--VERY EDITED, WITH COMMENTS
CommentÂ…..the Ninjas didnÂ’t expect herÂ….ANDÂ…..
21:09 JA: No, I donÂ’t think that. I think I was an element of surprise for them.
21:14 DF: You were an element of surprise? So they didnÂ’t expect you to be there.
21:17 JA: I am guessing, I donÂ’t think so.
21:19 DF: They didnÂ’t expect you to be there?
Comment: Notice how the question about the ninjas not expecting her to be there takes her right to an incredibly long and detailed explanation about how it was Travis WAS expecting herÂ…Â…
23:52
JA: Umm…I wasn’t planning on going to Travis’ house. I was going to go to Santa Cruz. Well, I wasn’t planning on going to Santa Cruz; I was going to Monterrey, but by that time I called Matt, he was like, “We’re in Santa Cruz, meet us here,” and I said, “Okay.” So I went to the Red Room there, which is just a little kind of hang out for locals and younger kids our age, sort of, 20 somethings and 30 somethings, and I stayed the night in Monterrey that night, got up the next morning and visited with Darryl and his son before he went to school. Umm… drove…this is Tuesday the 3rd, umm…and driving to LA, I hadn’t heard back from Laura yet, but that’s what…It wasn’t until I got to LA where I thought. I was looking at my map and Utah wasn’t really on there but, I mean, Arizona, ‘cause it was to Utah on the Map quest directions I printed. Umm, okay, I just, I just see like……
25:57
JA: One was black, I think they were both black or dark blue or something. It was Anyway, umm it wasn’t until I was in LA and Laura wasn’t getting back to me, and it was already like 9 something and I was like maybe I will just go see Travis briefly. I called Ryan and I said, my phone was about to die and ummm I tried getting a hold of Matt, I got his voice mail. I was going to ask him if my charger was there and he could save it or mail it or something. Umm…so I just, I had a wall charger, I think, and I was just going to charge it later, I guess, when I got somewhere. Anyway, I did call Travis, and I said, “Guess what?” and he said, “What?” and I said, “I’m coming to Arizona tonight,” and there was silence, and then he goes, “Really? and I said, “Yeah” and he said, “What made you change your mind?” and I just said, I just…‘cause I told him I missed him or something, but I would have said because you are too compelling, but like he is too, he’s already got a big enough head about that stuff.
So I showed up, and he was looking at You Tube on his computer, on his laptop, in the office. We watched that for a little while, and he was very happy to see me. Napoleon barked, but he always barks when somebody walks in, but then he was really happy to see me and he gets so excited. He does this thing with his butt where he goes around in circles over and over and over till he realizes, stop going in circles. So it was a good reunion. I told him I was tired. I don’t know what his intentions were or what he thought my intentions were at the time, but I was very exhausted from the trip, and I just said, “I think I’m going to sleep,” and he said, “That’s fine.” I slept pretty well the day before, but I was tired from driving all night, so I slept and he slept and we must have slept until about 1:00.
Comment: remember that Flores has already told her about sex pics and their time stamp of 1:45Â….
28:23 DF: In the afternoon?
12:24 JA: Yes, it must have been around then, and his roommate was home when I got there. I have never seen his roommate, though, so I must have been asleep by the time he got up and left. Okay, if you donÂ’t believe me, thatÂ’s okay.
29:13 DF: Well, continue on with the story, about one oÂ’clockÂ…
29:19
JA: Yes, we had sex a couple of times. Once was in his bed and once was again downstairs in his office. He was looking at some pictures that I had brought for him, but he has a virus on his computer, so when he clicked the Start menu on Windows XP or Windows 2000 or whatever, you have like My Pictures, My Music, My Computer. You can usually click on My Computer and then go into the disc drive and open that. He clicked the Windows and it come up and none of that My Pictures, My Music, none of that would come up, so he had some kind of virus he was dealing with.
His screensaver was a bunch of little bugs eating up the screen. It was just weird, and he said that is from the virus, too. I said, “That’s a cute screensaver,” and he said, “Yeah, it’s my stupid virus.”
For some reason, that was frustrating for both of us, because we couldnÂ’t look at the pictures, and they were from a lot of our church history trips which are on my other external drive which I havenÂ’t been able to access for a long time, since after Christmas, because it just quit, and I just havenÂ’t had the money to spend to get all that stuff back.
30:41 DF: So you guys worked with that for awhile orÂ…
30:44 JA: Yeah, we had three discs, I think.
30:50 DF: So what time is this now you guys are messing with the computer?
30:54 JA: UmÂ…I donÂ’t really remember, it was after we had...
30:59 DF: A couple of hours or so later?
Comment: Lots of detail to note below, including her saying Travis putting up furniture already to clean floorsÂ…. and why is she talking about not being able to sit on a couch in the living room if they are in his office trying to see the pics? Starts talking about having to convince him to take pics of shaving, but midway blurs that story of the past with what she says happened on the 4th. (Remember the text she sent him saying she wanted to redo shaving pics??)
31:00
JA: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, after noon. I just, you knowÂ…He had been cleaning his house ummÂ…so I couldnÂ’tÂ…
I wasnÂ’t sitting on the couch. Usually I would just chill on the couch downstairs, you know, if no one was home. UmmÂ…but he had like chairs and all that stuff all over the couch. I think he was cleaning the floors or something,
uhhÂ…fed Napoleon. I donÂ’t know if he made phone calls or not or what he was doing on the internet,
but at one point he was going to go up and take a shower and it took a lot of convincing prior when he was shaving. I was like, I got some ideas, and they didn’t turn out good at all, not like I wanted to, but I thought that I could get some cool pictures of him shaving, ‘cause he does the whole old-fashioned thing with like this little, I don’t know how it works.
UmmÂ…but he liked it though, apparently, because he used it for his profile picture on My Space.
Umm…so those didn’t turn out as good and I was going to do that later but I asked him if I could take pictures of him in the shower, and he’s like, “No.”
I was just like, “I have an idea.” “Well, what do you mean?” I was like, I said, I saw this thing in a Calvin Klein ad once and it looked really good, and you’re right, he wasn’t really comfortable at first. He’s standing there and he says, “I feel gay.” (Laughs)
32:33
JA: So some I deleted and some I kept taking ummÂ…and some he looked really good, I thought. The one that you showed me yesterday looking right at you, I think that is a great picture. He hates it. I donÂ’t know what he hates about that. I think itÂ’s a very good picture of him.
32:51 DF: So you were taking pictures and showing him?
32:54 JA: Yeah. Yeah. His shower door was open. His water pressure in that shower isnÂ’t that great, so itÂ’s not like water was going everywhere. END OF VIDEO #14
Comment: Below is her ninja story, stripped down to what IMO are the kernels of partial truth about what actually happened.
00:18 DF: What happened when the last picture was taken?
00:25 JA: He was kneeling down in the shower. I donÂ’t remember.
01:12 JA: andÂ…I donÂ’t really remember except Travis was screaming. I think I got knocked out, but I donÂ’t think I was out long. I know I got knocked in the headÂ…. he uhÂ… was screaming, and I was by the bathtub, and he was holding his head, andÂ…
01:57
JA: UmmÂ…I remember putting my hand on his back, because he was on all four of his knees. He was like
(Jodi gets up, moves to the floor on all fours, positioning herself and demonstrating what position Travis was in as she describes this to DF)
02:11 JA: Â…on his knees like this doing something like this or something like, I donÂ’t knowÂ…and
03:13
JA: Umm…(…..)and Travis was screaming the whole time. He wasn’t screaming like a girl. He was just like… like he was in pain… like he was like shocked, like “Ahhhh,” you know. He wasn’t really moving though, you know, he was just kind of staying still on the floor.
04:00 JA: The girl was in the hallway, kind of. UmÂ…and the guy was more toward in the bedroom, but like still in the bathroom, like on the tile carpet area right there where it starts.
04:48 (Jodi crying) I chickened out like a little bytch.
05:06 JA: Travis. UmmÂ…he wasÂ…ummÂ… he was still like conscious and still alive.
05:18 JA: No, I ran into the closet, because there are two doors, and they were sort of in the hallway already,
JA: Â…Â….. and I didnÂ’t have my stupid phone because it wasnÂ’t charged, and TravisÂ’ phone is downstairs and I didnÂ’t knowÂ… His roommates I didnÂ’t think were home at the time.
There’s no way out except downstairs. His windows are…they’re two stories for one, and they’re just, they were hard to get to. He had stuff – here and stuff here and blinds and screens and window coverings and I mean… from the outside… and I just…
((Comment: is she talking about how to crawl in a window from outside?)
08:13 JA: Travis was bleeding everywhere.
08:18 DF: What was she doing to him, because he had been shot at this time, right?
08:24 JA: Yeah, but he was still alive.
08:27 JA: He was conscious even, likeÂ…
08:29 DF: Still talkingÂ…
08:31 JA: Oh, he wasnÂ’t talking or saying much, but I could tell he was breathing. He seemed like he was breathing calmly, I think, he wasnÂ’t likeÂ…He was just there. I canÂ’t really remember. It was such a blur.
09:08 DF: Did she have any weapons on her at all?
09:31 JA:……., he was screaming, and I saw her at this point, like right here, and walking. She must have been walking back this way, and I saw him sort of following, and that’s when he was like, “Finish.”
10:13
JA: UmÂ…I got Travis, and he wasnÂ’t like standing up really. He wasnÂ’t really doing much, and he wasÂ… I was trying to get himÂ… and she came back. I got him kind of far, like right here. She came back and uhÂ…He was justÂ… He was starting to just get weaker and weakerÂ….
11:50 DF: How was she going to get you? Did she have a weapon?
11:52 JA: She had a knife.
11:54 DF: Okay.
11:58 DF: You said she had a gun before.
13:21 DF: So it seemed like they knew him, obviously.
13:24 JA: Yeah, but he didnÂ’t seem to know them. I mean he was a little out of itÂ…Â….
(Comment- reminds me why I wanted her to get the DP).
13:35 DF: Well, he couldnÂ’t talk.
13:38 JA: He was able to say, “Go get help,” and at one point he said, “Go to my neighbor’s house.” “Go to my neighbor’s house.” There was just like…there was just no way out of …
13:53 DF: Did you see them hurt him any more?
13:57 JA: UmmÂ…
13:59 DF: Other than a gunshot?
14:04 JA: UmÂ…she had a knife and I donÂ’t know. He was bleeding everywhere. It was likeÂ… when she rushed me afterward, or she came back, I rushed her but she kind of came back at me. UmmÂ…
15:01JA: Â…Â…Â…I just knew I had to hold onto her hands because she had a knife.
15:08 DF: What hand did she have it in?
15:10 JA: SheÂ…she had it in this hand, but well, her right, soÂ…
15:12 DF: Her right?
15:28 DF: So you didnÂ’t see her hurt him anymore. He was just bleeding. Where did he end up?
15:35 JA: He um… When I tried getting him here, he said, “Go get help. Umm I felt stupid already for trying to run this way. I was going to go to a phone, and he was like, “Come on” “Come on”. You know he was naked but I didn’t care. Just Come on. And he was like, I can’t. I said, Come on, and he said, I can’t feel my legs.
16:22 DF: Were you clothed at that time or were you also nude?
16:26 JA: Yeah, I was clothed.
16:50 DF: Okay. So what happened after that?
17:09 JA: …… and I was calling his name and they were like, “Shut the hell up,” Umm and I was just…I don’t know if I was crying. It was all just like… It was so weird.
UmmÂ… he pulled out my wallet and he just took some cash. Umm I had though my cash stashed in the jeans I had worn, like a good chunk of it, like 80 bucks, stashed in four twenties in the back of my jean pockets which were in my backpack ummm but I had some cash in here, not all of it though. So he took that, though and umÂ…
Comment: SheÂ’s remembering stealing his money, imo.
18:25 DF: What was she doing?
18:43 JA: Â…Â…..that was just. I was sitting, and I was just likeÂ…I didnÂ’t know what to say. Do you beg for your life? Â….IÂ’m powerless, because I donÂ’t have any way to stop them. They were just more powerfulÂ….
Comment: Sickening. SheÂ’s thinking of Travis sitting in the shower, powerless, and mocking his story of a gun at his head, when he said to his audience exactly that- do you beg for your life?
19:17 JA: She’s like, it wasn’t like super yelling. It was kind of like hushed, but intense like “You need to da da da da da,” and “Shut up! “
Comment- sheÂ’s referring to herself, stabbing Travis and cursing him, kicking him, telling him to shut upÂ….
21:30 JA: He said, “Leave now,” and part of me didn’t want to leave. Travis wasn’t… was still alive. He was still... I could…He wasn’t moving a lot, but he was still alive. I could see that he was still…
21:50 DF: did you leave at that point?
21:52 JA: UmmÂ…I left the room
21:54 DF: Where did you go?
21:55 JA: I went downstairs, but I didnÂ’t have all my clothes.
22:06 DF: What did you leave there?
22:07 JA: Well, Travis said I had some stuff there. I didnÂ’t see what it was. He said it was in his closet. He said there were clothes of mine, but all I had was my purse and my backpack. I left those and I went outside.
23:49 JA: No, it doesnÂ’t. I was wondering if they took my stuff to make it look that way, and they told me to leave, and, you know, ummÂ…Travis usually keeps his cash in his wallet.
24:09
DF: Did you get hurt at all? You said you were fighting with her. JA: Yeah. DF: What happened to you? JA: UmmÂ…she cut me. DF: Where at? JA: My hand. DF: Let me see. Where at? Can you show me?
JA: (Gestures with her left hand) You actually canÂ’t see it. If you look atÂ… my finger isnÂ’t the same, though. I wasÂ… DF: Let me see. Where did it get cut? JA: It wasÂ…Conveniently it was right on the crease. DF: Right there on the crease? DF: So it was sliced there. Just a small one or was it pretty deep? JA: UmmÂ…I donÂ’t know how deep it was but my finger hurt for a long Â… for awhile. DF: Okay, so like right in that crease that youÂ… across both of them? JA: UhhÂ…not my middle finger, I mean it cut this one a little but not as much. This is where it really went in. DF: So it cut pretty deep then?
26:03 DF: Did you see any other cars in the driveway or on the street?
26:06 JA: UmmÂ…
26:07 DF: Any vehicle descriptions you can give us?
JA: UhhÂ… no. No, not that IÂ…Not that IÂ…I donÂ’t think his roommates were home.
26:50 DF: This does not make any sense -- does not make any sense!
26:58 JA: ItÂ’s all I know.
27:04 DF: Nothing changes for me.
27:09 JA: I didnÂ’t think it would.
29:08
DF: I was hoping that you were going to be completely truthful to me today. Obviously, thatÂ’s not the case. I know you were there. I know you had some situation going on with him that got out of control, and that cut that youÂ’re showing me there, thatÂ’s pretty obvious how that happened. IÂ’ve seen that before. That happens when the knife slips through someoneÂ’s hand because of blood. ItÂ’s slippery, and it cuts. ThatÂ’s what happens. IÂ’ve done this for a long time, and this is the most far fetched story IÂ’ve ever heard, and itÂ’s not going to help you. Is that how you want to leave this?
30:45 JA: I was there that day but I didnÂ’t take TravisÂ’ life. END OF VIDEO #15
05:48 JA: Okay. IÂ’m justÂ… If I had planned to hurt him in any way, I, you know, I am not the brightest person, but IÂ… I donÂ’t think I could stab him. I think I would have to shoot him continuously until he was dead, if that were my intention. Again, and I would bring up the gloves again, but I would have to wear gloves. I mean I am not too worried about prints, because they are all over anyway, but I would never stab him. If, if, if I had it anywhere in me to kill him, the least I could have done was to make it as humane as possible, or quick, or something, you know, if any killing is humane, so to speak. I donÂ’t mean it that wayÂ…I would just...like, he was still alive...
06:48 DF: Yes. Yes, he was. He was alive for awhile, and I knew that he had been shot first, and he was still alive and possibly tried to get away, maybe even tried to fight back.
06:59 JA: I think he was in shock.
07:01 DF: But you didnÂ’t see him fight back or anything did you? He just kind of collapsed there and....
07:07 JA: No, he was here Â…..right outside of the shower...
07:10 DF: And then heÂ…You pulled him this way and you tried to get away with him, but then he couldnÂ’t go any further.
07:16 JA: He said he couldnÂ’t move. He said he couldnÂ’t feel his legs.
07:19 DF: And that was the last place you saw him. You said that he stopped and he kind of collapsed right there. She was standing there and he was over here, and it just doesnÂ’t make any sense.
JA: He was still like able to move hisÂ…like, he was allÂ…I guess he was all conscious up here sort of still. He wasnÂ’t like on his legs or on his knees or on his feet. He wasnÂ’t walking...
07:45 DF: He was crawling.
07:50 JA: Yeah, IÂ’m trying to think how he got over there. He was sort of using his legs, but he wasnÂ’t standing up.
08:06 JA: I donÂ’t remember what time I left, but...
08:57 JA: I know that I didnÂ’t take TravisÂ’ life, and I know that you donÂ’tÂ…
09:00 DF: I know that you did.
09:01 JA: Look, I know you donÂ’t believe me.
09:03 DF: I donÂ’t believe you.
09:31 DF: Okay. Are you ready to go back?
09:39
JA: UmmÂ…yeah, I guess. IÂ’d still like to say something to his family, but I donÂ’t think I have anything that could bring them comfort. Â….maybe I could write them a letter. Would they receive it? I donÂ’t mean would they accept it. I mean, if I had theÂ…if it made it to them, would they get it? Do you know? I know their address. I know his grandmotherÂ’s address, and at least I could mail it, but I donÂ’t know if thatÂ’s something...
10:18 DF:Â….. YouÂ’re absolutely sure you want to leave it like this?
10:25 JA: I donÂ’t know what else to say.
14:52 FO: Â…Â…. while weÂ’re waiting, and youÂ’re just kind of sitting here and hanging out, if you want to draft the rough draft to TravisÂ’ grandmother and family, this would be a good chance for you to do that (FO hands JA paper and pen). JA: Well, it will just be just a rough draft.
LaterÂ…after sandwich and writing..
FO: You all finished up?
JA: For now, I guess.
JA: For now, I guess. Can I take this or no?
FO: Ah, well, let me see – make sure you’re not sneaking jail secrets out or something.
JA: Okay.
FO reads what Jodi wrote on her paper.
JA: (Unintelligible) paper in there so I can keep writing stuff.
FO: Did you take some paper with you? Where did you put it?
JA: Right here in my pants.
FO: Did you write anything on it?
JA: No, do you want to see it?
FO: Hey, Chris, could you do me a favor and make a copy of that? FO appears to hand JodiÂ’s letter to TravisÂ’ family to the unidentified detective.
FO returns the folded paper to JA.
JA: Thanks.
FO: Just go ahead and stick it in your pocket, if it will stay there.
LAST- and just because it is so satisfying:
FO: Can you stand up for me?
FO: Put your hands out in front of you.
FO: We donÂ’t use the belly chains very often.
05:52 Unknown detective (UD) enters the room and hands Jodi the paper she was writing a letter to TravisÂ’ grandmother/family on. Jodi folds it and places it in her pocket.
(FO puts belly chains on Jodi. Jodi folds her letter and puts it in her pocket)
06:14 FO: Okay, youÂ’re ready to go.
06:20 FO and JA leave the interrogation room. END OF VIDEO #18
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uke: by now, and possibly started with this tripe. I bet she knows that too. Ha ha, :censored:!
will try again.
