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They went to the New Mexico balloon festival in Albuquerque (unless she Photoshopped the photos). That festival is in early October, IIRC.
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They went to the New Mexico balloon festival in Albuquerque (unless she Photoshopped the photos). That festival is in early October, IIRC.
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Great points. If "proof of ownership" was her goal with the planted check, she almost certainly got that wrong. She would only "own" it to the extent she paid for it, which was a negligible amount. It might as well have been a loaner with some compensation for wear and tear. The title was in Travis' name, right? In that case, she didn't own it at all.
Just like the bank has the title to your car until it's all paid off.
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IMO the shade of hair in the sex pics is not the same shade as the June 3 selfie pics.
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From the pattern of the texts, it does seem as though JA was reading texts/chats while they were in process, because she keeps trying to insert herself back into Travis' mindshare exactly then.
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Her sources of income...
Mimi's is kinda an upscale restaurant, but she worked a lunch shift there, which meant less in tips. I worked as a waitress at a similar restaurant back in the day, to put myself through undergraduate school. Even back then, I averaged $40-50 in tips per lunch shift, and $100-125 per dinner shift. And BTW- I was a truly crappy waitress.
She also worked in Mesa as a caregiver of some kind to a family. I have no idea what that paid.
She "earned" around $200 a month cleaning T's house.
I don't what if anything she earned from PPL, but she did transfer at least a handful of accounts or whatever to T that month he almost didn't make quota, so she had to have sold a few units here and there. And fwiw, she DID win a PPL trip for her sales early on (before Mesa) so maybe she had some incoming monthly residual income?
She had regular access to T's ATM card. Hmm.
She was in touch with Gus S. very regularly. Hmm.
In late summer early fall 2007 she wrote in her journal about online scams- commenting how many there were and such. Hmm.
IIRC, the "caregiver" job was she babysat once?
Pre-arrest interview, FO- female officer, killer and the pics
FO: How is seeing those pictures again going to help you?
JA: I just thought it would help me piece things together.
FO: What is it that you’re trying to piece together?
JA: Umm. I don’t know. There’s also a bit of morbid curiosity, I think. ((Crying) I just want to see the pictures. He showed me a good picture of him yesterday.
FO: Is it the one with him in the shower?
JA: He had water all over his face or something.
JA: He would never let me take pictures of him in the shower, you know, despite our intimacy he was very private about his showers. You know, like he had a room. I don’t think you’ve seen the room, but
(Jodi becomes animated and proceeds to use her hands to draw a diagram of Travis’ rooms on the table)
it was here. There were double doors here leading into the room, a walk-in closet here and a hallway, sort of short hallway here that went this way, and then there was a bathtub here, a shower here and a bathroom here, full enclosure, and so if he was taking a shower you couldn’t see if you were in the bedroom unless you walked down the hall, and I never went in the bathroom when he would shower because he was just private about it, you know.
FO: Are you saying that those pictures were taken without his consent?
JA: I’m just saying that whoever took those pictures must have, I mean it’s hard to imagine because I got pictures of him once shaving and he was already weird about that.
FO: Well, Jodi, when you say things like that, it’s obvious to me that you don’t want to do the right thing …..and I don’t appreciate my chain being jerked. I don’t appreciate you thinking I’m some sort of fool.
JA: Well, the detective says he has pictures of me.
FO: Mmm hmmm. I’ve seen those pictures. They were taken the same day.
JA: Well, certainly not the same time.
FO: Within the same time frame.
FO: How is seeing those pictures again going to help you?
JA: I just thought it would help me piece things together.
FO: What is it that you’re trying to piece together?
JA: Umm. I don’t know. There’s also a bit of morbid curiosity, I think. ((Crying) I just want to see the pictures. He showed me a good picture of him yesterday.
FO: Is it the one with him in the shower?
JA: He had water all over his face or something.
JA: He would never let me take pictures of him in the shower, you know, despite our intimacy he was very private about his showers. You know, like he had a room. I don’t think you’ve seen the room, but
(Jodi becomes animated and proceeds to use her hands to draw a diagram of Travis’ rooms on the table)
it was here. There were double doors here leading into the room, a walk-in closet here and a hallway, sort of short hallway here that went this way, and then there was a bathtub here, a shower here and a bathroom here, full enclosure, and so if he was taking a shower you couldn’t see if you were in the bedroom unless you walked down the hall, and I never went in the bathroom when he would shower because he was just private about it, you know.
FO: Are you saying that those pictures were taken without his consent?
JA: I’m just saying that whoever took those pictures must have, I mean it’s hard to imagine because I got pictures of him once shaving and he was already weird about that.
FO: Well, Jodi, when you say things like that, it’s obvious to me that you don’t want to do the right thing …..and I don’t appreciate my chain being jerked. I don’t appreciate you thinking I’m some sort of fool.
JA: Well, the detective says he has pictures of me.
FO: Mmm hmmm. I’ve seen those pictures. They were taken the same day.
JA: Well, certainly not the same time.
FO: Within the same time frame.
Progression of her story that Travis was expecting her....
Phone interview with Flores, June 10.
JA: I used to talk to him quite regularly. Um……but after I moved…I moved a few months ago, and after I moved we kept in touch very regularly and um…kind of fell back a little bit, but we got down to about a couple times a week but I hadn’t heard from him.
I… I talked to him on Tuesday night. Um… I looked at my phone records on …on the internet to check. Yeah, I definitely talked to him Tuesday night.
DF: Okay. So was that your cell phone or?
JA: Yeah. That was my cell. That’s the only phone I have, so…
DF: Okay, so and that was Tuesday night. Do you remember about what time?
JA: Uh…I think it was … I want to say like a quarter after 9, but I think it was sometime between 8 and 10, but I know it wasn’t as late as 10:00 – probably between 8:30 and 9:30 more so.
DF: Okay, and what did you guys talk about?
JA: Um…it was brief. I was um…I was driving out to Utah and, you know, driving out to Utah and, you know, he was like, “Are you going to come up and see me?” and I was like, “No!” and you know…
June 25, 2008 – Phone Interview
DF: All right. So that’s the last time you talked
DF: All right. So that’s the last time you talked to him was like on Monday morning from…
JA: I’m sorry. I did talk to him on Tuesday night.
DF: Oh, Tuesday night?
JA: It was brief, though. Um…like that was a matter of just a few minutes. It wasn’t like a real in depth conversation. Um…
DF: Do you know what time it was?
JA: Oh…10 o’clock maybe?
DF: 10 p.m.?
JA: Yeah! I’d say 10 p.m. or maybe 9 p.m., 9:30, 10, 10:30 – something around there. I guess I could go back and check.
DF: How about 9-10…anywhere in there.
JA: Somewhere between there. Yeah, it was kind of late evening. I mean for us that’s not late, but…
DF: What was the purpose of that call?
JA: Um…just calling to check in and say, “Hey” and let him know just, “Hi…” (laughs)
JA: I was just calling people because I was bored and I was on the road.
DF: Oh, so you were on the road at that time?
JA: Yeah. It was real brief. Um…he was…He was nice and cordial but he was kind of acting…like he had hurt feelings ‘cause he knew I wasn’t planning…
DF: Oh, I see. the reason this actually occurred is people are saying they kind of lost contact with him maybe Tuesday
JA: On Tuesday?
DF: Tuesday or Wednesday some people aren’t sure. They’re trying to think back and
JA: I…I talked to him last Tuesday and I…I’m sure I called him. I may have called him Wednesday. I know I called him again from the road, twice. I sent him a couple of text messages. I sent him a picture.
DF: Did you actually talk to him, though, when you were on the road?
JA: Um…yeah, but it was…it was when I
DF: When you first started…
JA: Yeah. Yeah. It was... We were… Yeah. I did talk to him. I’m sure that was Tuesday night.
DF: Okay.
JA: And uh…so I figured he was either in California ‘cause he was planning to go there um…that week,
I think, because he had to…I know he had to go to California sometime before Cancun because he was going to leave his dog with his grandmother.
Journal for June 1, AFTER 3 phone interviews with Flores, last one on June 28. Entry is from Juror 13's site.
6/1/08:
Just getting ready for the road, mostly. I’ll be leaving in a few hours, even though I haven’t slept. If I get sleepy, I’ll just pull over. So I’ve revised my itinerary a bit. I’m definitely going to stop & see Jack & Darryl in P.G. I miss those guys. Depending on Matt’s schedule, I’ll visit w/him for a bit, but I’m definitely crashing at his place, just for one night probably. Then I’ll head south. If Laura allows it, I’ll visit her, Tazannah & Z, and take some cool pics. (Wow, I just wrote “pics” instead of “pictures.” It’s a text-messaging syndrome, I guess). And I’d like to go to SD to visit Jon Dixon. He’s got a lot of cool stuff going on there & we get along really well. I know he likes me, and if he were a church member, there would definitely be potential, because I like him, too. I especially like his enthusiasm and never-ending zest for life. He always seems so easy-going & happy. And he’s handsome. A little more petite than I prefer as far as build, but that’s easily over-looked.
Anyway, I’ve yet to call him either, although I know that if I just showed up in town, he’d make room in his schedule for me
He’s a wonderful person. Travis thinks he’s the Anti-Christ because he left Pre-Paid for YTB. I think it was a dumb decision for sure, but not worth persecuting someone over. Free enterprise is the name of the game in America. I love it.
Anyway, after SD, I’ll drive to UT. I’m not sure what we’ll be doing there, but cuddling is definitely on the list. So is a massage. Maybe a nap. Some dinner. I’m not too concerned w/what we do, as long as it’s w/him, so that we can get to know each other a little better at least. Maybe that will help to shed a little light on this somewhat intriguing situation.
I mentioned my road trip to Travis. He didn’t sound all that thrilled for me. As far as I know, he knows nothing of Ryan. I asked Zion not to mention it to him, so that I wouldn’t have to explain anything or hurt him further. It would only be a repeat of our last blow-up and I know he hurts, and I don’t want him to hurt.
It’s so confusing because I know he likes Mimi a lot and I now know that he was dating Lisa the whole time, but yet he was angry & hurt & devastated when I told him about Jon Dixon last August/Sept (I think it was early Sept. Definitely before the Vegas convention.) It’s been such a grey area for me because we broke up but continued seeing each other on the D.L. We were clearly not an item, not dating, not bf/gf, so it’s not like I cheated on him.
I really shouldn’t have mentioned it to him. He told me that I’ve hurt him more than the death of his father hurt him. That is so heavy. My heart aches because he hurts. I care for him very much. I just want him to find happiness.
I should’ve known better than to tell him about Jon Dixon but he asked – SPECIFICALLY – in two different ways – “You swear you haven’t kissed anyone since me?” And “Tell me the truth, did you ever kiss Jon Dixon?” I don’t know why he wants to know so bad. He tortures himself. I said “I thought we agreed we wouldn’t discuss this topic.” But he persisted the way he always does. He baited, too, by saying it doesn’t matter now, I can tell him. So duh, Jodi. I told him. I didn’t tell him all of the details, but he could immediately tell I was trying to filter it.
He was way upset. We hung up. I called back, upset myself, and said it’s all in the past, and he was half asleep by then, and his demeanor had turned soft and said it’s ok, it just stems from the fact that he is lonely. When he pulled the lonely card again, it brought tears to my eyes. He deserves a happy & fulfilling relationship just as much as I do. I don’t want him to be lonely. To think that at one time we could’ve been married seems so far from what is now. At least he’s found his “the one”!!! That’s more than I can say. And although all of that is true, we still fight feelings for each other?
He told me via gmail chat that he still fights feelings for me everyday. I was a little surprised to learn that. I know that he cared for me and all. Honestly, I’ve been largely ignoring any feelings that creep up up, usually by just distracting myself.
The prospects of new beginnings on the horizon promise light again at the end of the tunnel, a short tunnel as I’ve made this journey more than twice before & each time, the tunnel is a little bit shorter, each time, I’m always a little bit stronger. I love Travis & always will. We are just different. His fiery temper doesn’t mix w/my tendency to cry at the drop of a hat, over spilled milk, or whatever.
Anyway, huge disgression so mums the word on Mr. Ryan Burns, although Travis jokingly insinuated that I was certainly making a trip out to UT for a “reason”. He said, “Uh-huh, yeah, sure, I bet. ” etc. He’s not dumb and won’t be able to pull it over his eyes for long if things progress. But that’s ok.
Maybe if he hears it through the grapevine, he’ll have even more incentive to walk toward getting his marriage on. Which would mean no more messing around, being naughty w/me or whoever else he might be doing his thing with.
He also began to sweet talk / guilt me that I was making the road trip to UT to visit friends, etc. & when I could instead come out to AZ & see him. He actually made me regret my itinerary for a few moments. He is incredibly persuasive. But I stood my ground! Honestly if it weren’t for the prospect of hanging out with Ryan and getting to know him better, I would have been weak & folded I would have cancelled my plans to Utah entirely & driven down to is house. He actually a little bit hurt & upset that I didn’t change my mind
I gently declined, gently refused, but I could tell he was bothered. I reminded him that he’s going to be here soon anyways. I played up all of the fun things that we’re going to experience. I just got a few --yeah, buts…. and eventually an “ok, whatever.” He’s stubborn… So am I, really. But it’s already. I have a few more things to do & then I’m hitting the road. To Redding, where I’ll leave my car, then onward.
Pre-arrest- Yreka, July, interrogations
JA: Here’s why I felt guilty. One of the last times we spoke, he was guilting me about not coming to see him, and part of my heart still wanted to go see him and another part just wants to move on, and pursue this new avenue, which was in Utah, and there is a tinge of guilt, you know……
Later....
FO: Was he expecting you to come over that day?
JA: He wanted me to. I told him I wasn’t going to.
FO: So was it a surprise that you actually showed up?
FO: I was just going to ask you if he was happy to see you that week – that day?
(Silence)
FO: That looked like you’re saying, “Yeah, he was.”
JA: (Jodi throws used toilet paper in trash can behind her) No, I didn’t say that.
JA: He was always happy to see me, though. I’m trying to think…
FO: Were you happy to see him?
(Silence)
FO: You at least know that.
(Jodi wipes her nose)
Before arrest, both detectives
JA: Do you know what happened to my journals, too?
JA: I know they said they took one, but I don’t know if they took my other ones.
FO: Where were your other ones at?
JA: In my fireproof safe.
JA: Umm… if you want my journals it documents the entire time starting from when I moved to Arizona up until 2 or 3 days ago.
JA: I don’t know if they felt it was relevant, but…
JA: I’m sure there’s…Travis got a lot of ink in my journals. I don’t know. That doesn’t matter now because I know you guys think what you think but umm...
To Flores...
JA: Did you also take my journals?
DF: Yes.
JA: All three of them?
Post arrest, with Flores, the ninja story unfolds afterwards...
Killer: Umm…so I just, I had a wall charger, I think, and I was just going to charge it later, I guess, when I got somewhere. Anyway, I did call Travis, and I said, “Guess what?” and he said, “What?” and I said, “I’m coming to Arizona tonight,” and there was silence, and then he goes, “Really? and I said, “Yeah” and he said, “What made you change your mind?” and I just said, I just…‘cause I told him I missed him or something, but I would have said because you are too compelling, but like he is too, he’s already got a big enough head about that stuff.
So I showed up, and he was looking at You Tube on his computer, on his laptop, in the office.......
Phone interview with Flores, June 10.
JA: I used to talk to him quite regularly. Um……but after I moved…I moved a few months ago, and after I moved we kept in touch very regularly and um…kind of fell back a little bit, but we got down to about a couple times a week but I hadn’t heard from him.
I… I talked to him on Tuesday night. Um… I looked at my phone records on …on the internet to check. Yeah, I definitely talked to him Tuesday night.
DF: Okay. So was that your cell phone or?
JA: Yeah. That was my cell. That’s the only phone I have, so…
DF: Okay, so and that was Tuesday night. Do you remember about what time?
JA: Uh…I think it was … I want to say like a quarter after 9, but I think it was sometime between 8 and 10, but I know it wasn’t as late as 10:00 – probably between 8:30 and 9:30 more so.
DF: Okay, and what did you guys talk about?
JA: Um…it was brief. I was um…I was driving out to Utah and, you know, driving out to Utah and, you know, he was like, “Are you going to come up and see me?” and I was like, “No!” and you know…
June 25, 2008 – Phone Interview
DF: All right. So that’s the last time you talked
DF: All right. So that’s the last time you talked to him was like on Monday morning from…
JA: I’m sorry. I did talk to him on Tuesday night.
DF: Oh, Tuesday night?
JA: It was brief, though. Um…like that was a matter of just a few minutes. It wasn’t like a real in depth conversation. Um…
DF: Do you know what time it was?
JA: Oh…10 o’clock maybe?
DF: 10 p.m.?
JA: Yeah! I’d say 10 p.m. or maybe 9 p.m., 9:30, 10, 10:30 – something around there. I guess I could go back and check.
DF: How about 9-10…anywhere in there.
JA: Somewhere between there. Yeah, it was kind of late evening. I mean for us that’s not late, but…
DF: What was the purpose of that call?
JA: Um…just calling to check in and say, “Hey” and let him know just, “Hi…” (laughs)
JA: I was just calling people because I was bored and I was on the road.
DF: Oh, so you were on the road at that time?
JA: Yeah. It was real brief. Um…he was…He was nice and cordial but he was kind of acting…like he had hurt feelings ‘cause he knew I wasn’t planning…
DF: Oh, I see. the reason this actually occurred is people are saying they kind of lost contact with him maybe Tuesday
JA: On Tuesday?
DF: Tuesday or Wednesday some people aren’t sure. They’re trying to think back and
JA: I…I talked to him last Tuesday and I…I’m sure I called him. I may have called him Wednesday. I know I called him again from the road, twice. I sent him a couple of text messages. I sent him a picture.
DF: Did you actually talk to him, though, when you were on the road?
JA: Um…yeah, but it was…it was when I
DF: When you first started…
JA: Yeah. Yeah. It was... We were… Yeah. I did talk to him. I’m sure that was Tuesday night.
DF: Okay.
JA: And uh…so I figured he was either in California ‘cause he was planning to go there um…that week,
I think, because he had to…I know he had to go to California sometime before Cancun because he was going to leave his dog with his grandmother.
Journal for June 1, AFTER 3 phone interviews with Flores, last one on June 28. Entry is from Juror 13's site.
6/1/08:
Just getting ready for the road, mostly. I’ll be leaving in a few hours, even though I haven’t slept. If I get sleepy, I’ll just pull over. So I’ve revised my itinerary a bit. I’m definitely going to stop & see Jack & Darryl in P.G. I miss those guys. Depending on Matt’s schedule, I’ll visit w/him for a bit, but I’m definitely crashing at his place, just for one night probably. Then I’ll head south. If Laura allows it, I’ll visit her, Tazannah & Z, and take some cool pics. (Wow, I just wrote “pics” instead of “pictures.” It’s a text-messaging syndrome, I guess). And I’d like to go to SD to visit Jon Dixon. He’s got a lot of cool stuff going on there & we get along really well. I know he likes me, and if he were a church member, there would definitely be potential, because I like him, too. I especially like his enthusiasm and never-ending zest for life. He always seems so easy-going & happy. And he’s handsome. A little more petite than I prefer as far as build, but that’s easily over-looked.
Anyway, I’ve yet to call him either, although I know that if I just showed up in town, he’d make room in his schedule for me
He’s a wonderful person. Travis thinks he’s the Anti-Christ because he left Pre-Paid for YTB. I think it was a dumb decision for sure, but not worth persecuting someone over. Free enterprise is the name of the game in America. I love it.Anyway, after SD, I’ll drive to UT. I’m not sure what we’ll be doing there, but cuddling is definitely on the list. So is a massage. Maybe a nap. Some dinner. I’m not too concerned w/what we do, as long as it’s w/him, so that we can get to know each other a little better at least. Maybe that will help to shed a little light on this somewhat intriguing situation.
I mentioned my road trip to Travis. He didn’t sound all that thrilled for me. As far as I know, he knows nothing of Ryan. I asked Zion not to mention it to him, so that I wouldn’t have to explain anything or hurt him further. It would only be a repeat of our last blow-up and I know he hurts, and I don’t want him to hurt.
It’s so confusing because I know he likes Mimi a lot and I now know that he was dating Lisa the whole time, but yet he was angry & hurt & devastated when I told him about Jon Dixon last August/Sept (I think it was early Sept. Definitely before the Vegas convention.) It’s been such a grey area for me because we broke up but continued seeing each other on the D.L. We were clearly not an item, not dating, not bf/gf, so it’s not like I cheated on him.
I really shouldn’t have mentioned it to him. He told me that I’ve hurt him more than the death of his father hurt him. That is so heavy. My heart aches because he hurts. I care for him very much. I just want him to find happiness.
I should’ve known better than to tell him about Jon Dixon but he asked – SPECIFICALLY – in two different ways – “You swear you haven’t kissed anyone since me?” And “Tell me the truth, did you ever kiss Jon Dixon?” I don’t know why he wants to know so bad. He tortures himself. I said “I thought we agreed we wouldn’t discuss this topic.” But he persisted the way he always does. He baited, too, by saying it doesn’t matter now, I can tell him. So duh, Jodi. I told him. I didn’t tell him all of the details, but he could immediately tell I was trying to filter it.
He was way upset. We hung up. I called back, upset myself, and said it’s all in the past, and he was half asleep by then, and his demeanor had turned soft and said it’s ok, it just stems from the fact that he is lonely. When he pulled the lonely card again, it brought tears to my eyes. He deserves a happy & fulfilling relationship just as much as I do. I don’t want him to be lonely. To think that at one time we could’ve been married seems so far from what is now. At least he’s found his “the one”!!! That’s more than I can say. And although all of that is true, we still fight feelings for each other?
He told me via gmail chat that he still fights feelings for me everyday. I was a little surprised to learn that. I know that he cared for me and all. Honestly, I’ve been largely ignoring any feelings that creep up up, usually by just distracting myself.
The prospects of new beginnings on the horizon promise light again at the end of the tunnel, a short tunnel as I’ve made this journey more than twice before & each time, the tunnel is a little bit shorter, each time, I’m always a little bit stronger. I love Travis & always will. We are just different. His fiery temper doesn’t mix w/my tendency to cry at the drop of a hat, over spilled milk, or whatever.
Anyway, huge disgression so mums the word on Mr. Ryan Burns, although Travis jokingly insinuated that I was certainly making a trip out to UT for a “reason”. He said, “Uh-huh, yeah, sure, I bet. ” etc. He’s not dumb and won’t be able to pull it over his eyes for long if things progress. But that’s ok.
Maybe if he hears it through the grapevine, he’ll have even more incentive to walk toward getting his marriage on. Which would mean no more messing around, being naughty w/me or whoever else he might be doing his thing with.
He also began to sweet talk / guilt me that I was making the road trip to UT to visit friends, etc. & when I could instead come out to AZ & see him. He actually made me regret my itinerary for a few moments. He is incredibly persuasive. But I stood my ground! Honestly if it weren’t for the prospect of hanging out with Ryan and getting to know him better, I would have been weak & folded I would have cancelled my plans to Utah entirely & driven down to is house. He actually a little bit hurt & upset that I didn’t change my mind
I gently declined, gently refused, but I could tell he was bothered. I reminded him that he’s going to be here soon anyways. I played up all of the fun things that we’re going to experience. I just got a few --yeah, buts…. and eventually an “ok, whatever.” He’s stubborn… So am I, really. But it’s already. I have a few more things to do & then I’m hitting the road. To Redding, where I’ll leave my car, then onward.
Pre-arrest- Yreka, July, interrogations
JA: Here’s why I felt guilty. One of the last times we spoke, he was guilting me about not coming to see him, and part of my heart still wanted to go see him and another part just wants to move on, and pursue this new avenue, which was in Utah, and there is a tinge of guilt, you know……
Later....
FO: Was he expecting you to come over that day?
JA: He wanted me to. I told him I wasn’t going to.
FO: So was it a surprise that you actually showed up?
FO: I was just going to ask you if he was happy to see you that week – that day?
(Silence)
FO: That looked like you’re saying, “Yeah, he was.”
JA: (Jodi throws used toilet paper in trash can behind her) No, I didn’t say that.
JA: He was always happy to see me, though. I’m trying to think…
FO: Were you happy to see him?
(Silence)
FO: You at least know that.
(Jodi wipes her nose)
Before arrest, both detectives
JA: Do you know what happened to my journals, too?
JA: I know they said they took one, but I don’t know if they took my other ones.
FO: Where were your other ones at?
JA: In my fireproof safe.
JA: Umm… if you want my journals it documents the entire time starting from when I moved to Arizona up until 2 or 3 days ago.
JA: I don’t know if they felt it was relevant, but…
JA: I’m sure there’s…Travis got a lot of ink in my journals. I don’t know. That doesn’t matter now because I know you guys think what you think but umm...
To Flores...
JA: Did you also take my journals?
DF: Yes.
JA: All three of them?
Post arrest, with Flores, the ninja story unfolds afterwards...
Killer: Umm…so I just, I had a wall charger, I think, and I was just going to charge it later, I guess, when I got somewhere. Anyway, I did call Travis, and I said, “Guess what?” and he said, “What?” and I said, “I’m coming to Arizona tonight,” and there was silence, and then he goes, “Really? and I said, “Yeah” and he said, “What made you change your mind?” and I just said, I just…‘cause I told him I missed him or something, but I would have said because you are too compelling, but like he is too, he’s already got a big enough head about that stuff.
So I showed up, and he was looking at You Tube on his computer, on his laptop, in the office.......
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I was driving around yesterday and for the first time in my life I saw a car with an upside down license plate.
I immediately thought of JA.
I immediately thought of JA.
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I miss the cute nicknames the posters @ JAII came up with during the trial:
Wherefore art thou Scoopy, Kermit, and Pickles? :hilarious:
Wherefore art thou Scoopy, Kermit, and Pickles? :hilarious:
Hacking his social media accounts- June phone interviews with Flores
DF: They felt that you were…uh…either taking advantage of him or um…just, you know hanging around when you weren’t wanted.
Um…they mentioned that you would sometimes, you know, end up going into his house. You were in his house when he didn’t want you there, and you were asked to leave but you would return.
There was also some talk about you, you know, spying on his e-mail and Facebook accounts those kinds of things…
JA: Oh, he gave me his um…He gave me his Facebook password and his MySpace password, and I gave him my Facebook password and my Gmail account password, and the reason we did that is that because, it was kind of dumb.
We did that months and months ago and we thought, um… what can we do to try to re-establish trust between us, and, you know, why don’t we start with that, and so that’s what we did and you know, it just didn’t work.
He got really upset finally and he’s like, “You know, this isn’t working,” and I said, “All right, this is too much of a headache, let’s just change our passwords.” So we did. We changed our passwords after that.
DF: How long ago did you guys change them?
JA: Uh…I changed mine, gosh…not long ago, probably three weeks ago maybe? And, I don’t know about his because I haven’t once he made clear he wasn’t comfortable with that anymore I didn’t even try to get back into his account anymore, so…
DF: You know you just have to trust sometimes.
JA: That’s true. That’s true, and I told him. We’ve had hours upon hours of conversation and I said, “You know, I just don’t know if I could ever trust you again,” you know, and…he doesn’t know if he could ever trust me again because I always wanted to get back into his phone and find out does he really have something going on or what, ‘cause you know he did at one point um…you know, and so, he said, “Yeah, I understand that, but if we were married you would have all my passwords to everything because there wouldn’t be anything to worry about”
and I thought, “Well, that’s nice,” you know? But we’re not married (laughs) so… And as far as getting into his e-mails, that never happened.
Um…what he has on his computer is um…He would oftentimes just leave the computer on and he’ll leave his G-mail e-mail up, and there were times when I’d hop on the computer to look up other things, and if his G-mail window was open then I would just close it…if that would constitute getting into his e-mail.
DF: Um…you know I had to mention that to you because we are getting a search warrant for your e-mails, or you know G-mail and Facebook, and we can tell where those things were accessed from, and I just want to make it clear that um…you know, if you did access it from somewhere else or at a certain time, you know if you access it from California we’re going to be able to know.
JA: Yeah, I’ll tell you right now that I did.
DF: Okay.
JA: He gave me his password. The only account that I’ve accessed though was the MySpace and G-mail because those were the only passwords I had.
DF: How long ago? When was the last time you actually accessed those?
JA: Oh, weeks ago. We had um…We had a conversation where, it’s like we…he made it clear that he wasn’t comfortable with that anymore, and um…and I said, “That’s okay,” and he…and I changed my email account password because he got into that, too, and he saw another guy’s email there um…and gave me a hard time about it and so, it just was dumb. You know, we’re both trying to move on. We’re both… I don’t know. He was weird.
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JA: Yeah. I should probably. I should probably tell you that, you know, Travis, when he got upset, he would send me um…really mean e-mails, Um…he would send me mean text messages and things.
Um…you’ll find probably some stuff on his Facebook. I know for sure you’ll find them on Facebook and definitely on his G-mail and you’re welcome to access all of my accounts, too, if you want.
DF: We’re probably going to get our subpoena for all his Facebook, G-mail, you know everything just to see who he was communicating with, what he was saying, um…what they were saying to him. I’m not sure how far back…we usually go six months to a year.
JA: Okay
DF: They felt that you were…uh…either taking advantage of him or um…just, you know hanging around when you weren’t wanted.
Um…they mentioned that you would sometimes, you know, end up going into his house. You were in his house when he didn’t want you there, and you were asked to leave but you would return.
There was also some talk about you, you know, spying on his e-mail and Facebook accounts those kinds of things…
JA: Oh, he gave me his um…He gave me his Facebook password and his MySpace password, and I gave him my Facebook password and my Gmail account password, and the reason we did that is that because, it was kind of dumb.
We did that months and months ago and we thought, um… what can we do to try to re-establish trust between us, and, you know, why don’t we start with that, and so that’s what we did and you know, it just didn’t work.
He got really upset finally and he’s like, “You know, this isn’t working,” and I said, “All right, this is too much of a headache, let’s just change our passwords.” So we did. We changed our passwords after that.
DF: How long ago did you guys change them?
JA: Uh…I changed mine, gosh…not long ago, probably three weeks ago maybe? And, I don’t know about his because I haven’t once he made clear he wasn’t comfortable with that anymore I didn’t even try to get back into his account anymore, so…
DF: You know you just have to trust sometimes.
JA: That’s true. That’s true, and I told him. We’ve had hours upon hours of conversation and I said, “You know, I just don’t know if I could ever trust you again,” you know, and…he doesn’t know if he could ever trust me again because I always wanted to get back into his phone and find out does he really have something going on or what, ‘cause you know he did at one point um…you know, and so, he said, “Yeah, I understand that, but if we were married you would have all my passwords to everything because there wouldn’t be anything to worry about”
and I thought, “Well, that’s nice,” you know? But we’re not married (laughs) so… And as far as getting into his e-mails, that never happened.
Um…what he has on his computer is um…He would oftentimes just leave the computer on and he’ll leave his G-mail e-mail up, and there were times when I’d hop on the computer to look up other things, and if his G-mail window was open then I would just close it…if that would constitute getting into his e-mail.
DF: Um…you know I had to mention that to you because we are getting a search warrant for your e-mails, or you know G-mail and Facebook, and we can tell where those things were accessed from, and I just want to make it clear that um…you know, if you did access it from somewhere else or at a certain time, you know if you access it from California we’re going to be able to know.
JA: Yeah, I’ll tell you right now that I did.
DF: Okay.
JA: He gave me his password. The only account that I’ve accessed though was the MySpace and G-mail because those were the only passwords I had.
DF: How long ago? When was the last time you actually accessed those?
JA: Oh, weeks ago. We had um…We had a conversation where, it’s like we…he made it clear that he wasn’t comfortable with that anymore, and um…and I said, “That’s okay,” and he…and I changed my email account password because he got into that, too, and he saw another guy’s email there um…and gave me a hard time about it and so, it just was dumb. You know, we’re both trying to move on. We’re both… I don’t know. He was weird.
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JA: Yeah. I should probably. I should probably tell you that, you know, Travis, when he got upset, he would send me um…really mean e-mails, Um…he would send me mean text messages and things.
Um…you’ll find probably some stuff on his Facebook. I know for sure you’ll find them on Facebook and definitely on his G-mail and you’re welcome to access all of my accounts, too, if you want.
DF: We’re probably going to get our subpoena for all his Facebook, G-mail, you know everything just to see who he was communicating with, what he was saying, um…what they were saying to him. I’m not sure how far back…we usually go six months to a year.
JA: Okay
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Can you even remove the key from the ignition with the car still in gear? Was the BMW a stick shift? It may be possible with one of those but I'm pretty sure it's not with most automatics, not sure it even matters what the transmission is, I think it's a safety feature to not allow the key to be removed while the car is still in gear.
I had a '91 BMW manual and could not remove the key if the car was in gear. Once in a while I would be in a rush, turn the car off and not put it in park/neutral - could not remove the key!
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She has the most creepily unnatural speech patterns. I could choke her out for that alone...
She is truly a freak off nature. Ugh.
I do (unfortunately) know a gal who has a host of personality disorders. She shares many dreadful characteristics with the murderer, including a very odd and off-putting manner of speaking.
:maddening:
She is truly a freak off nature. Ugh.
I do (unfortunately) know a gal who has a host of personality disorders. She shares many dreadful characteristics with the murderer, including a very odd and off-putting manner of speaking.
:maddening:
I've known at least two younger females the same... speech pattern VERY forced and every thought pattern/vocal tone methodically ensured to guarantee results they wanted. It was creepy... Nothing of significance is ever really said, very basic sentences either way, and their eyes gleamed with some type of mischief you don't ordinarily see in people... Always snooping on other people's private conversations, no boundaries, yet hyperalert to the possibility of getting 'found out' thus accusatory and composed stances (verbally and physically) etc etc...
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It happened to one of the daughters of my boss back in the 90's, she was so upset thinking she broke something, and then so grateful to find out it was because she forgot to put it in park (she was a new driver). lol
Yet another tale of JA's that fails the truth test because she didn't know it wasn't possible.
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Do people really share their online account passwords? I know married couples who don't have each others' email password and wouldn't ask for it. I am sure some people might not mind if their spouse or significant other had their FB password, or myspace back when people actually used that. But TA and JA were not married and did not even consider the other their "significant". So she's lying about that as well as most everything else. I guess I am wondering if it occurs often enough that she could rest assured that everyone would believe her when she said they traded their passwords. I can't think of many instances where such a practice would be a good idea--maybe in the event of some sort of emergency, but that's about it.
I think she came up with that lie in response to Flores telling her in June that LE could detect if she accessed his accounts from CA.
She had to come up with some explanation (reasonable or not, believable or not) for what I'd guess was a far more massive invasion of his privacy/accounts than we're aware of (even now) after she left Mesa.
You're right. There is exactly ZERO reason for an ex-GF to have those passwords, especially not one from a brief relationship of several months that ended a year earlier, who lives 1,000 miles away, and who has nothing whatsoever to do one's friends or job or everyday.
Did anyone else notice (or remember from before) that the killer told Flores she could check her cell phone call record on the "internet" to look up specific calls she'd made and times?
As in, itemized long distance calls on the Helio? Is that how the Helio service worked back then?
As in, itemized long distance calls on the Helio? Is that how the Helio service worked back then?
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