Serious DNA discussion

[Holdontoyourhat]

Here's another interesting animation. Click on the nucleus and you'll see that within the cell, the DNA is inside the nucleus.

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/units/basics/cell/

DNA is really tiny. What was found in the Bloomies was not even a complete DNA profile.

Now here is my question: how many cells do you have to have to figure out if it's skin or saliva, etc.? The Bode Tech scientist said they know it wasn't spermatozoa nor blood, because those have obvious components they recognize easily--I'm speculating here as she didn't explain fully. So why can't they figure out if the DNA they have is skin or saliva, etc.? Not enough?

Maybe they're not telling.

 

[KoldKase]

Sorry, KK. I thought you said elsewhere that you had seen him say this on TV. Something about a book seminar?

No problem, SD. Maybe I did see him on TV, now. I thought you said I saw in him person. My bad. But honestly, I've seen so much on this case, I am about at the point of losing more than I remember. If it comes to me, I'll let you know. I have seen Van Zandt on TV many times.

Honestly, I need to go back and start all over again with this case. It's just tooooooo much to remember it all now.

 

[BBB167893]

SD, sorry but you still haven't given me the source. Did you read it in a book, a magazine, or perhaps a news source online? Do you have a link or a source for that quote? Maybe the name of the book you read it in? Remember we're asking for a source for 'middle-aged woman from the south'.

Oh, I get you. Yes it was a magazine. Dated December 25, 2006. Here you go:

"JonBenet's mom fits the profile of the person who wrote the phony ransom note found in the Ramsey home, reveals former FBI expert. Robert K. Ressler, who helped establish criminal profiling for the feds, says that the style and language and information contained in the note point to an approximately 40-year-old white woman from the South as the author
'It's absolutely phony. Usually a ransom note just gives the basics. This one was full of colorful language and mixed messages. Then there's the matter of why any kidnapper would demand money when the victim's body was left behind. It didn't make sense' "Ressler points out that the language is feminine. 'There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms.' "60's-era expressions like 'fat cat,' French-influenced vocabulary such as 'attache' and the demand for $118,000 might also point to someone like Patsy, who grew up in the 60's, studied French and was familiar with her husband's finances. Someone else with that knowledge probably would have demanded more." (The Globe, December 25, 2006; quotation and source provided by Internet poster The Punisher).


You might also try this:

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6404

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[KoldKase]

Maybe they're not telling.

Then why did Lacy do a whole spin cycle exhonerating the Ramseys? Maybe I'm just not that trusting of the woman who hauled PERV KARR all the way round the planet for this murder. If she's only going to show us the part of it she wants us to see, then it's propaganda, pure and simple. I don't trust propaganda.

 

[KoldKase]

Hey, SD, I'll tell you what is funny. I sometimes will be researching something on the forums, reading old threads, etc., and I'll read something and go oh, that's interesting, I never thought of that, or I didn't know that...and then I'll look to see who wrote it...AND IT WAS ME!! Reminds me of when I was reading papers many years later that I wrote in college, and I thought, Boy, I was smart! I couldn't do that now if my life depended on it! :waitasec:

 

[Tricia]

Hey, SD, I'll tell you what is funny. I sometimes will be researching something on the forums, reading old threads, etc., and I'll read something and go oh, that's interesting, I never thought of that, or I didn't know that...and then I'll look to see who wrote it...AND IT WAS ME!! Reminds me of when I was reading papers many years later that I wrote in college, and I thought, Boy, I was smart! I couldn't do that now if my life depended on it! :waitasec:

I have to toot koldkase's own horn here because she won't do it like it needs to be done.

KoldKase is one of the sharpest and smartest people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. Her posts are enthralling. When I see her name I can't wait to read what she has written.

KoldKase may not realize this but many people, people she has never met, LOVE HER for her work on this case.

Ok...my work is done here.

 

[icedtea4me]

There are no known religious references in the ransom note. There are, however, political references. There is a reference to the US. Fat cat, Victory!, 'foreign faction', 'southern common sense', 'not the country that it serves', and even 'proper burial' are all expressions that can be based in politics.

One could say there are references to cancer in the note:

You will be scanned
if any (cancer cells) are found, she (Patsy) dies
99% chance
100% chance
under constant scrutiny


-Tea

 

[BBB167893]

I have to toot koldkase's own horn here because she won't do it like it needs to be done.

KoldKase is one of the sharpest and smartest people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. Her posts are enthralling. When I see her name I can't wait to read what she has written.

KoldKase may not realize this but many people, people she has never met, LOVE HER for her work on this case.

Ok...my work is done here.

Now, now. It just goes to show how much KoldKase has done. She's probably forgotten more about this case than most people will ever know.

 

[angelwngs]

Intentional errors are your claim that has no basis in fact. This uses a reasoning method that could only be likened to 'force balancing' in accounting. . You're taking a phenomenon and forcing it into RDI by modifying the RDI scenario by whatever means to suit the new information, which seems foolhardy if you're really, sincerely looking for a solution.

If the RN was instead a book report, the JR High School teacher would mark it down for sloppy scribblings, for misspellings, for 'hence a earlier' grammar, and I'm sure other things. The grade would not be that good, but the teacher would probably give a better grade for the composition, and would wonder where the adult themes came from (attache, proper burial, etc).

A journalism professor wouldn't waste their time reading it.

Sometimes an orange is just an orange. The fact is, this appears to be an adult author who would not have impressed a high school English teacher at all.

But RDI thinks they cleverly see a journalism major past the crude, weak masking attempt (just so happens PR is one). When really what is presented is an adult suspect who demonstrated sub-high school skills and who felt a need to make corrections as he went. An adult student of English.

You might enjoy chewing on this for awhile...

http://alinguistic.blogspot.com/2007/10/becker-barbara-j.html

"In addition, there is an attempt to create an external enemy, ‘foreign’, reinforced with the use of incorrect spelling ‘business’ and ‘ession’. However, spelling errors are not consistent throughout the text. Quite the contrary, this author has an extensive vocabulary of correctly spelled multi-syllabic words, such as, ‘instructions’, ‘adequate’, ‘tomorrow’, ‘particularly’, ‘situation’, ‘enforcement’, ‘countermeasures’, ‘authorities’, ‘underestimate’. These words suggest a high level of education, probably college or university. The complexity of the frequently compounded sentence structure suggests English as a native language. ‘Foreign faction’ echoes Patsy’s numerous alliterative choices in the Christmas letter she wrote to friends and family that Christmas..."

Profile- "Barbara J. Becker- writes non-fiction, fiction: historic memoir, and poetry. She is a member of the International Association of Forensic Linguists, and a member of the Manitoba Writers Guild. Barbara is a graduate of the University of Winnipeg who has published linguistic papers on authorship attribution and genre research. She is certified in LSI-SCAN deception analysis. She has worked on cases locally and internationally."

 

[BBB167893]

One could say there are references to cancer in the note:

You will be scanned
if any (cancer cells) are found, she (Patsy) dies
99% chance
100% chance
under constant scrutiny


-Tea

There's something else, too Tea. In the months after Karr (I did it again!) was let go, John Ramsey made a statement about how they tracked him down. He said it was like "James Bond."

Isn't that interesting? Especially since in the movie "From Russia With Love," Robert Shaw plays Red Grant, an assassin who uses, guess what? A garrote as a killing tool. What's more, in just about every movie, Bond and "M" will discuss "tactics" and "Q," the gadget man will talk about "the latest in electronic countermeasures."

Hmm,

 

[JMO8778]

..hmm,is it just coincidence that sister Pam came up with the exact same word used in the ransom note when talking about Patsy's death? She got her 'victory'? I don't think so...
reminds me of the 'and hence' situation.funny these same words used in the ransom note also came out of the families mouths, too.

 

[angelwngs]

..hmm,is it just coincidence that sister Pam came up with the exact same word used in the ransom note when talking about Patsy's death? She got her 'victory'? I don't think so...
reminds me of the 'and hence' situation.funny these same words used in the ransom note also came out of the families mouths, too.

Truthful Lies...??? Humm... (SD, another chapter title there...?)

 

[BBB167893]

Truthful Lies...??? Humm... (SD, another chapter title there...?)

You got it!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You might enjoy chewing on this for awhile...

http://alinguistic.blogspot.com/2007/10/becker-barbara-j.html

"In addition, there is an attempt to create an external enemy, ‘foreign’, reinforced with the use of incorrect spelling ‘business’ and ‘ession’. However, spelling errors are not consistent throughout the text. Quite the contrary, this author has an extensive vocabulary of correctly spelled multi-syllabic words, such as, ‘instructions’, ‘adequate’, ‘tomorrow’, ‘particularly’, ‘situation’, ‘enforcement’, ‘countermeasures’, ‘authorities’, ‘underestimate’. These words suggest a high level of education, probably college or university. The complexity of the frequently compounded sentence structure suggests English as a native language. ‘Foreign faction’ echoes Patsy’s numerous alliterative choices in the Christmas letter she wrote to friends and family that Christmas..."

Profile- "Barbara J. Becker- writes non-fiction, fiction: historic memoir, and poetry. She is a member of the International Association of Forensic Linguists, and a member of the Manitoba Writers Guild. Barbara is a graduate of the University of Winnipeg who has published linguistic papers on authorship attribution and genre research. She is certified in LSI-SCAN deception analysis. She has worked on cases locally and internationally."

Multi-syllable words! WOW! Sorry but these words, and similar words, are taught in elementary and middle-school. Mostly elementary school. This is a very basic vocabulary, with no words exceeding a high school reader level. Not one.

Your expert glossed right over the 'hence a earlier' mistake, I guess?

Note for icedtea: bold words above are more political or military and less cancer or religion.

 

[LI_Mom]

You might enjoy chewing on this for awhile...

http://alinguistic.blogspot.com/2007/10/becker-barbara-j.html

"In addition, there is an attempt to create an external enemy, ‘foreign’, reinforced with the use of incorrect spelling ‘business’ and ‘ession’. However, spelling errors are not consistent throughout the text. Quite the contrary, this author has an extensive vocabulary of correctly spelled multi-syllabic words, such as, ‘instructions’, ‘adequate’, ‘tomorrow’, ‘particularly’, ‘situation’, ‘enforcement’, ‘countermeasures’, ‘authorities’, ‘underestimate’. These words suggest a high level of education, probably college or university. The complexity of the frequently compounded sentence structure suggests English as a native language. ‘Foreign faction’ echoes Patsy’s numerous alliterative choices in the Christmas letter she wrote to friends and family that Christmas..."

Profile- "Barbara J. Becker- writes non-fiction, fiction: historic memoir, and poetry. She is a member of the International Association of Forensic Linguists, and a member of the Manitoba Writers Guild. Barbara is a graduate of the University of Winnipeg who has published linguistic papers on authorship attribution and genre research. She is certified in LSI-SCAN deception analysis. She has worked on cases locally and internationally."

Well that's THREE different sources (one provided by you, one by SD & one provided by me) of professionals stating they believe the RN writer sounded like an educated American female.


And that Victory, SBTC has religious connotations... nothing at all foreign to a Christian like Patsy.

 

[LI_Mom]

Multi-syllable words! WOW! Sorry but these words, and similar words, are taught in elementary and middle-school. Mostly elementary school. This is a very basic vocabulary, with no words exceeding a high school reader level. Not one.

Your expert glossed right over the 'hence a earlier' mistake, I guess?

Note for icedtea: bold words above are more political or military and less cancer or religion.

Surely you don't propose that an educated American could not possibly make grammatical &/or spelling errors.... intentionally OR unintentionally???

Especially with 'tricky' words it's easy to misspell them & of course it is VERY easy to overlook any mistakes if you edit your own writing..... IF you even take the type to check for mistakes.... that's why people usually use proofreaders.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

And that Victory, SBTC has religious connotations... nothing at all foreign to a Christian like Patsy.

Neither Victory nor SBTC have any religious connotations. Hallelujah, resurrected, etc. have religious connotations.

Victory! as a closing salutation has revolutionary connotation, according to Clint VanZandt, former FBI profiler (Newsweek Magazine, A Case Forever Unraveling, 1997)

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Surely you don't propose that an educated American could not possibly make grammatical &/or spelling errors.... intentionally OR unintentionally???

Especially with 'tricky' words it's easy to misspell them & of course it is VERY easy to overlook any mistakes if you edit your own writing..... IF you even take the type to check for mistakes.... that's why people usually use proofreaders.

'hence a earlier' is a glaring mistake. The note is glaringly sloppy, and had common middle school words misspelled.

Go figure.

 

[LI_Mom]

Neither Victory nor SBTC have any religious connotations. Hallelujah, resurrected, etc. have religious connotations.

Victory! as a closing salutation has revolutionary connotation, according to Clint VanZandt, former FBI profiler.

Saved By The CROSS.....

Oh yeah, good point..... atheists are saying that ALL the time. Man! It drives me crazy.



For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. (1 John 5.4)



1 Cor. 15:57 - But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.



O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 1Cor 15:55 kJV


Psalm 98:1 "O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory."

 

[LI_Mom]

'hence a earlier' is a glaring mistake. The note is glaringly sloppy, and had common middle school words misspelled.

Go figure.

Mistakes happen.... no matter HOW educated a person is.

That's why pencils have erasers & why computers have spell check.