GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[LadyL]

The picture on the right with the hood over his head - he looks like the grim reaper! - but when / where is this picture from ? I've seen it a few times lately on this thread but don't recall it from earlier days. When did he take it and where has it originated from?

Also, as demonic as he *naturally* is, I think it's been elongated / stretched for effect as he isn't that long and thin IMO.

I'm not sure where it's from. Good eye it may be edited. This case was in my nightmare when I woke up and he looked like that.

 

[Odeto BJ]

Speaking of.....Nancy Grace put out a video an hour ago going off on the prosecution (possibly the judge too...not sure because I've not go the stomach to make myself watch the whole thing).

Spinning off this only because I can't stand NG: and most posts are headed elsewhere; but a couple of disconnected thoughts:

1) Have we heard of any parties involved in the disclosures to Dateline? Any result of the Judge's call to investigate and prosecute? Just wondering if WT had one more "persuader" in negotiating this plea deal, if there were indicators that the leaking party was from the prosecution side. Just another brick in the wall....
2) Some posts above followed the train of thought that a defendant pleading guilty would automatically not receive the death penalty. Though it has been infrequent: relatively recently, there have been parties who pleaded guilty to murder and sentenced to DP; in a couple of cases the execution is already complete. Eileen Wuornos pleaded guilty to one murder and received the DP but at the time of that trial, she had already been found guilty and had received a death warrant for a murder where she had pleaded not guilty. Of added interest because of the similarities to BK's crimes: Danny Rolling murdered students in Gainesville FL with a knife, pleaded guilty and was sentenced by a jury to DP. Marco Allen Chapman pleaded guilty and begged a Judge to have him executed; Kentucky accommodated his request in 2008.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Sorry. DBM. Cat sitting on the computer.

Is cat tax allowed?

 

[LadyL]

We were not privy to this information prior to the July 2 hearing- but he was a POI before the DNA.
That is how they got the DNA from his trashcan in PA- they had enough evidence to get the cops in PA to raid his parent’s neighbor’s trash.
Why his parent’s neighbor’s trash- because they saw him putting his trash in his neighbor’s trashcan- with gloves on.

He was already on a POI list-
So, what was the first evidence used to get probable cause- and move him up on the list?
- Statement by the Door Dash driver- who saw his car driving around that night.
- Camera footage of the car driving around combined with the DD driver’s statement?
They ran info on a white Elantra.
- Campus cops interaction? he was from PA- in a white Elantra.
- Complaints by female students in a CJ program where he was surrounded by criminology experts.
Then they could do surveillance on his parent’s PA home, got his father’s DNA, his phone records.

The reality is- he put all of the red flags on himself- by making mistakes.
In a community where murder is a rare, everyone was watching for things that didn’t make sense.
Kudos to the Moscow community, campus community, the CJ program, students that complained, the DD driver, and wonderful police work in ID and PA!

The idea that one single criminal is going to be so smart that they can go up against a driven community, seasoned LE, criminologist, social media, in 2025? It is crowd sourcing at its best.
No way, eventually all of the coordination, the monster is going to get caught.

IMO

did they get anything incriminating from the items he put in the neighbour's trash?

 

[wildblue]

AT may have arranged for BK's parents to talk to BK ahead of the plea discussion with the Prosecution. In fact, it may have been a weird condition BK made.

What is notable in this agreement IMO is that the Defense conceded everything, minus death. Four fixed terms, full admission of guilt, waived right to an appeal.

No Alford plea, no push for concurrent sentencing, no dropped or combined charges, no parole.

It is my understanding that AT was assigned to this case in part because she's a death penalty qualified defense attorney even though the State hadn't yet sought the DP.

So this plea satisfies every element of the State's original charges IMO. You can't improve on that. The reason cases go TO trial is because defendants don't/won't plead guilty. It's always a relief IMO when arrested suspects admit to guilt up front.

BK took two years to get there but it is done. He is done and trial is done. (Well, once sentencing is complete.)

Done, done, done and done.

JMO

Unfortunately, it will never be done for the four families or the two survivors.

 

[wildblue]

Agreed. He basically doxxed a judge in a high profile murder trial. He's lucky not to have been arrested.

MOO

SG and his family have every reason to be upset and loudly protest this miscarriage of justice and my heart breaks for them. They should be afforded the grace to rail against the prosecution’s sly deal and to ask that others support their request that the judge deny the plea. That cowardly waste of oxygen literally butchered his beloved daughter and three others. Until the murderer ceases to breathe, they will have no rest. I don’t believe there is ever any cessation to the grief or obtaining a feeling of peace having lost a child, particularly in such a violent manner. The 5 stages of grief don’t have an end for everyone.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This post reminds me that at the time of the purchase, BK also purchased the knife sharpener from Amazon. There was a post way back with a photo of it. The sharpener was never found. I wonder if when BK took that long ride to Costco, Kate's Cup of Joe, Albertson's, etc., that he didn't give it a toss in the river to join the knife and whatever else he may have tossed. (But I always thought he buried his kill kit in order to have his trophies close by).

And this reminds me, what WAS it he bought at Albertson's? Just wondering...

According to this court doc, BK shopped at Albertsons the same day of the murders (November 13, 2022) for only seven minutes before checking out at the self checkout:



BK apparently did his regularly shopping (for food or women, who’s to say) at the 24-hour WinCo in Moscow. The closest Albertson’s to Pullman, WA is the one in Lewiston, Idaho, a 42-minute drive from BK’s apartment in Pullman. There are no Albertson’s near BK’s hometown in Pennsylvania.

According to the same court doc, BK tried to shop at Costco first, but he left immediately, probably because he didn’t have a membership card. He then drove past a Walmart store before moving on to Albertson’s.

All this is to say that I think BK wanted to buy something to eat instead of something to destroy evidence with, and I doubt BK was super-familiar with the Albertson’s grocery store layout.

He likely grabbed a piece of fruit and some nuts in the produce department near the store entrance, a drink from the nearby refrigerated section, then checked out.


Produce section of the Albertson’s in Clarkston, WA (Source)

So, then, why on earth would BK drive 46 minutes south from his Pullman apartment to Clarkston to buy lunch at a grocery store (where he could use the self-checkout to avoid drawing attention to himself)?

Well, the address of the Albertson’s in Clarkston is 400 Bridge Street. Unsurprisingly, this street turns into a bridge over the part of the Snake River that flows north and forms part of the boundary between Washington and Idaho.

Bridge Street (highlighted in yellow) joins Clarkston with Lewiston, ID, which during the plea hearing Bill Thompson called the port city of Idaho since it’s positioned at the confluence of the Snake River and Idaho’s Clearwater River:


Source: Apple Maps

As first hypothesized on Jan 7, 2023 by @Elliemay, and discussed on WS quite a bit afterwards by @10ofRods, @iamshadow21, @DisplacedDivaofthe6C, and others, I think BK may have been scouting for places to dump his knife in the Snake River. He needed daylight for that.

Now, if the Azget Industries video shared earlier by @MassGuy (and by another WS before an approved media source referenced it) is correct about BK burying his kill kit in a pre-dug hole off Sand Road just over the state line in Washington immediately after the murders while his phone was still turned off, then here’s the path BK may have driven from 1122 King Road to the pre-dug hole (note that the route takes so long because it is the walking path generated by Google maps to the burial site, following drivable roads—otherwise, Google generates a shorter route that includes a highway, which the State thinks BK avoided since his car was not captured on camera there):


Source: Google Maps.

The red pin in the map above marks the location of the possible pre-dug hole, which you can see here (note the road pullout and stand of trees):


Source: Google Maps

Later that same day, according to the Probable Cause Affidavit, BK’s phone utilized cellular resources that cover Johnson, WA (the PCA incorrectly states that the city is in ID, which doesn’t exist) from 5:32 pm to 5:36 pm:

Note that it was dark by 4:50 pm that day, and that Johnson is a short drive south of Pullman:


Source: Apple Maps

According to the PCA, BK’s phone then stopped reporting to the network from around 5:36 pm to 8:30 pm.

Interestingly, it is another short drive from Johnson to the possible burial site of BK’s kill kit:


Source: Google Maps

So it’s possible that BK temporarily stashed his kill kit in a pre-dug hole in the early morning darkness (immediately after the murders while his phone was turned off), then, after darkness returned late the same afternoon, BK turned his phone off once again, retrieved his kill kit, drove back to the Clarkston-Lewiston area and threw his kill kit into the Snake or Clearwater River. He had three bridges to pick from:


Source: Apple Maps

Now, if we think that BK safely buried his kill kit in that pre-dug hole in Washington, why speculate that he later unburied it and threw it in a river? Well, Bill Thompson did discuss the Snake and Clearwater Rivers during the plea hearing, and he also said they never found the murder weapon. I’m pretty confident LE used metal detectors and cadaver dogs to check out the potential burial site discussed in the video and shown in this post, and any other plausible burial sites, but came up empty.

(Speculation)

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

A lot of people are concerned about how their DNA will be used by third parties. They only wanted to understand their ancestry when they submitted their DNA samples.

I'm curious about which of Kohberger's family members uploaded their DNA to genealogical analysis sites. Was it his father, or a 3rd cousin? If Kohberger knew about it, he didn't put two and two together to realize how easy it would be to identify him via DNA.

"Members of the public voluntarily send their biological sample to a company for DNA analysis, in the hope of gaining information about their family ancestry. Then, it is their decision whether to upload their individual DNA data to one of the free genetic genealogy databases, knowing that these databases are accessible to anyone.

Investigators are simply making use of this same public tool. There is no privacy violation because people choose of their own accord to make the genetic information available that can lead police to identify a potential person. Also, it isn’t solely the genetic information that makes this identification possible. The genetic record is used in combination with other genealogical work to help narrow down the number of people of interest and potentially identify a suspect.

In a nod to concerns about privacy and ethics, though, law enforcement officials are required to jump an additional hurdle. They must use a portal of the database (in this case, GEDmatch PRO) that requires a paid membership available only to certified police and forensic teams.

Through this membership, professional users have access to all of the system’s data to aid in the identification of human remains. However, if the goal is to identify the perpetrator of a crime, professional users can only search data for which the files’ owners have “opted in” to permit use by law enforcement."

Police Are Using Your Publicly Available DNA to Solve Crimes. That’s a Good Thing. | U of T Magazine - U of T Magazine

But it’s also crucial for people to give informed consent to have their genetic information used this way Read More

magazine.utoronto.ca

I've done Ancestry and 23andMe, both of those claim that a person can keep their data confidential but I'm not sure.

Incidentally, 23andMe has now folded and is defunct. They sent a message asking if I want to log on and delete all records they hold which to me would seem a wise move as where would all that data potentially end up if there's no company containing it or administering it?

 

[wildblue]

I agree: He had the audacity to describe the prosecution as "bumbling"-- How dare he: they worked tirelessly to bring this case to a point where they were ready for trial- In fact they did such a good job, obtained so much evidence, the defendant decided to ADMIT GUILT"- Sorry, he gets my blood boiling and he does need professional help.

The prosecutor failed SG’s family and what the latter view as justice for their beloved daughter, so savagely murdered, and did it in an underhanded way. I don’t believe he needs help, what he needed was a prosecutor that cared more about the families’ wishes than just hurrying it up, being done and saving a few cents. IMO

 

[wildblue]

On Banfield's show he implied that BK would be taken care of in prison by Idahoans, essentially eliciting them to do it! And spoke as if he and BK were in a competition to win, and BK won this time. I thought that was so distasteful and strange. He's very odd. It's the last half of this broadcast (around 20min forward).

If it makes him feel better, he should express all of those feelings. Envisioning the death of someone who brutally carved up and murdered your daughter isn’t odd, distasteful or strange IMO, but a common reaction to the anger and grief of that type of loss.

 

[wildblue]

I didn't watch the whole thing but I found this very very disturbing. First, he doubles down on telling people to call Judge Hippler--who had nothing to do with the plea deal and who has held the defense to very high standards. Then he insults people from the state of Pennsylvania, as if where BK was from originally has anything to do with his psychopathy. Then he talks to BK as if this whole investigation and trial is just an instrument for SG to defeat BK, about who "wins." SG has lost the plot here; a trial is to determine if someone is guilty, not to provide revenge or a "winner." Finally, he essentially calls for prison justice, i.e., murder for BK, calling him a "Pennsylvania city body" who should get a "gift" from the righteous Idaho residents house in a max security prison. He's encouraging people to commit murder.

Yeah, I get that he's a grieving father. And no one here will cry when BK meets his Maker, whenever that day happens. But this guy is distorting peoples' view of the justice system, which delivered an actual confession to the murder of his daughter and three others. There are thousands of cases where there is never even a suspect identified, let alone a trial, and let alone a confession. I would hold a damn party if Brooks Houck confessed to murder or the last two Wagners gave up and confessed. This is the tip off that SG's rage is entirely misplaced. He's angry at everyone standing in the way of his personal ending of BK's life.

And Ashley Banfield is an exploitive ghoul to sit there and have no response to what SG said. MOO. MOO. MOO.

If I understand correctly, Judge H did have something to do with the plea, i.e., to accept or not accept it. As I’ve stated previously, envisioning the death of the person responsible for the brutal murder of your loved one is a normal reaction, especially after having the possibility of the death penalty so unfairly yanked away at the last minute. I believe everyone should let him feel and say what he wants, just short of paying someone to off the murderer. He’s suffered the greatest loss imaginable, give him the grace to express his feelings. IMO

 

[LAborn]

If it makes him feel better, he should express all of those feelings. Envisioning the death of someone who brutally carved up and murdered your daughter isn’t odd, distasteful or strange IMO, but a common reaction to the anger and grief of that type of loss.

Did you listen to what he said? He's basically soliciting prisoners to "take care" of BK in prison.

 

[Missyrocks5]

A horrible thought crossed my mind. I don't know if my facts are correct or I don't think I have seen it discussed. I believe that Xana heard probably the dog barking and/or or maybe KG upstairs saying something and she walked up the stairs. Sounds more like she was third. She encountered him and I think tried to run back to her room. I don't know if it was the sudden horror of it that left her literally speechless, but the thought occurred to me.

Do you think that, since she was the only one who was awake apparently and knew what was going on or had some idea, do you think that she decided not to scream because that would just result in the others also getting hurt? In other words, did she stay quiet and not start screaming her head off because she didn't want Ethan to be attacked, or the other two girls? They were drunk, tired, and had nothing to fight back like a bat, or ability to grab a knife from thr kitchen, etc. If this couldn't be any more heartbreaking, was she worried about something happening to the others so she was hoping he would leave after because Ethan was sleeping and the other girls had their door closed?

A Selfless act making this even more heartbreaking. Thoughts?

 

[cujenn81]

What the civil suits will do is make sure every dollar he ever makes goes to the families of the victims.

The really sad part is that the Probergers will no doubt gladly load his commissary account with funds should he request it.

 

[otto]

His reaction is understandable considering that he feels no one in that courtroom cares about his or his family’s feelings in this matter. It would be like speaking to a brick wall of a disgustingly smug murderer and a court that is concerned more with dollars and being done than true justice. IMO

Sentencing is based on rehabilitation in some countries, and punishment in others. Kohberger is dealing with the punishment system. Revenge shouldn't be a factor, but it is part of the punishment system.

The families of one or more of the victims want a death sentence for Kohberger because it feels like the correct punishment. As we all know, death sentence appeals drag out for decades. Each court action will result in notifications where family of victims feel that it is their responsibility to show up and represent the deceased family member.

There are four families. If the majority of those families takes the position that life in a concrete box is appropriate, where they will never have to think of Kohberger again for the rest of their lives, but one of those families wants to deal with Kohberger's appeals for the next 30 years (look at Scott Peterson), then what is the best option?

With the wishes of 8 parents plus siblings to consider, maybe the decision addresses the wishes of the majority.

 

[LAborn]

SG and his family have every reason to be upset and loudly protest this miscarriage of justice and my heart breaks for them. They should be afforded the grace to rail against the prosecution’s sly deal and to ask that others support their request that the judge deny the plea. That cowardly waste of oxygen literally butchered his beloved daughter and three others. Until the murderer ceases to breathe, they will have no rest. I don’t believe there is ever any cessation to the grief or obtaining a feeling of peace having lost a child, particularly in such a violent manner. The 5 stages of grief don’t have an end for everyone.

BK changed his plea to guilty. That's the whole objective is to get a guilty verdict. From there the DA and defense determine what that includes. Everyone here is saying the death penalty is only an option with a jury trial. The DA got the maximum. The families won't have to think about BK ever getting out, ever appealing the sentence, nothing more. No one ever gets over the loss of a child, but at the least they don't have to keep going back to the legal system and reopening the wound. There is no miscarriage of justice with what occurred in terms of the court process, the DA and judge have zero control over BK deciding to plead guilty, which again is the whole objective.

 

[Jw192]

I didn't watch the whole thing but I found this very very disturbing. First, he doubles down on telling people to call Judge Hippler--who had nothing to do with the plea deal and who has held the defense to very high standards. Then he insults people from the state of Pennsylvania, as if where BK was from originally has anything to do with his psychopathy. Then he talks to BK as if this whole investigation and trial is just an instrument for SG to defeat BK, about who "wins." SG has lost the plot here; a trial is to determine if someone is guilty, not to provide revenge or a "winner." Finally, he essentially calls for prison justice, i.e., murder for BK, calling him a "Pennsylvania city body" who should get a "gift" from the righteous Idaho residents house in a max security prison. He's encouraging people to commit murder.

Yeah, I get that he's a grieving father. And no one here will cry when BK meets his Maker, whenever that day happens. But this guy is distorting peoples' view of the justice system, which delivered an actual confession to the murder of his daughter and three others. There are thousands of cases where there is never even a suspect identified, let alone a trial, and let alone a confession. I would hold a damn party if Brooks Houck confessed to murder or the last two Wagners gave up and confessed. This is the tip off that SG's rage is entirely misplaced. He's angry at everyone standing in the way of his personal ending of BK's life.

And Ashley Banfield is an exploitive ghoul to sit there and have no response to what SG said. MOO. MOO. MOO.

Agreed. Like I said in a previous comment, SG is never going to have an iota of satisfaction until his version of justice happens where he is put into a room with BK alone and no legal repercussions would result from the outcome - a version of justice that cannot and will not ever exist. I repeat that my heart breaks for his unfathomable pain, just as it does for the other families and BK can rot in hell for all care, butttt I hate to say this but SG has lost it, almost completely. He's lashing out at the people who HAVE gotten justice for HIS daughter and has been in a sense since the get go. I've tried to look away each and every time he has done something in the media or online which had the potential to be harmful to the case. I've done my best to understand when he attempted to take the whole investigation into his own hands with some private investigator and random internet clout chasers. Plus much more. I knew that I couldn't possibly understand what pain he (and the other families are going through) and I also know that despite the many I's there, it's not about me or any of us. What I will say now and I feel awful saying it, but that's what it's come to, it isn't about SG! His pain, anger and loss isn't the most important thing here, far from it. Justice for FOUR dead college students and TWO living survivors is what's important. Justice that keeps an extremely violent and dangerous criminal behind bars for the rest of his natural life without ever ever getting the chance to be free to kill again is what is ACTUALLY important.
I apologise if people don't agree with me and please feel free to do so, but this whole SG show has to stop. He's feeding off the media imo and boy are they feeding off of him. The media are not his friends or allies and he needs to realise that sharpish. There are 3 other sets of families who have had their beloved children ripped away in the exact same horrific way and their feelings matter just as much as his. I truly hope that his loved ones rally round him and get him some help before he crosses any more over the line as the last thing I or anybody would want to see is him having to experience the prison "daycare" he imagines

In my very sad to say opinion.

 

[wildblue]

Did you listen to what he said? He's basically soliciting prisoners to "take care" of BK in prison.

I listened to every word and feel he has the right to express any and all feelings of hatred and also to wish the worst on the person who committed such an unspeakable crime against his beloved daughter.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think there's one more stipulation that the families of the victims should demand. Kohberger should never be allowed to publish, or co-author a book about anything. He should be deprived of all interviews where he provides an opinion about anything.

Although there is law preventing him from writing and profiting from the crimes he committed, he is fascinated by the criminal mind and may believe that he can spend his life in prison interviewing murderers and writing about them. Something should be done today to prevent that possibility.

I'm sure he'll have a ready supply of forensic psychologists / therapists / analysts / psychiatrists all wanting to study him for their training as well as journalists and writers. Will he have a steady stream of interested parties allowed access to him? Does he get letters, visits, phone calls?

I doubt he'd be able to discuss fellow prisoners' crimes with them as from what I understand it's not a done thing to do.

People say he'll be targeted and an outcast but at the same time 'lifer' prison is surely filled with all sorts of disgusting and perverse low down demonic entities who've done same / worse?

JMO MOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

His reaction is understandable considering that he feels no one in that courtroom cares about his or his family’s feelings in this matter. It would be like speaking to a brick wall of a disgustingly smug murderer and a court that is concerned more with dollars and being done than true justice. IMO

So an admission of guilt to all charges in open court is not "true justice"? What would be "true justice" for the slaughter of 4 young people?