Deceased/Not Found UK - Steven Clark, 23, disabled, Saltburn, Dec 1992

[HongKongPhooey]

Means ran fast down the seafront. The seafront is wide and open so he would have had to run fast to be out of sight.

Sometimes I do miss the laughing emoji.

I say “pegged it” too

 

[Lucy6226]

Sometimes I do miss the laughing emoji.

I say “pegged it” too

I didn't really think about what results would show if someone googled the word pegged either

 

[Corina]

Means ran fast down the seafront. The seafront is wide and open so he would have had to run fast to be out of sight.

Thank you. I knew what the Prom was;
had never heard the idiom "pegged it" before.

 

[Inspector Evans]

Legged it also means running fast and away from someone.

I agree with the general point, no way she could've been in the toilet long enough for Steven to come out, walk back in the direction they came from and be out of her sight once she came back out. Unless her eyes were just fixed on the toilet door waiting for him to emerge and she never looked across the seafront.

I'm sure Steven aswell having walked there with his Mother would've waited for her to come out rather than just going back home on his own like she then claims she did.

Just makes no sense to me.

 

[Bluebear15]

Imo, legged it means ran fast, and pegged it means died. I don't think that either happened at the seafront. Jmo

 

[Skigh]

Imo, legged it means ran fast, and pegged it means died. I don't think that either happened at the seafront. Jmo

Pegged it has several meanings. It is used for both died and ran fast .

 

[crazychris]

Could he run at all? He had a bad leg.

 

[ekardh]

• The father didn't want to pay for Steven's football ticket that day.
• No proof that the father attended the football match.
• The mother took her son, who was disabled and limped, on a 45 minute walk.
• No confirmed sighting of Doris with Steven that day.
• Chris left his wallet, glasses and money at home.
• The father had grabbed Steven and sent him to bed after he returned belligerent from the pub.
• The last sighting of Steven outside of his parents was 3 days before he vanished.
• The two dubious sightings of Steven after he disappeared were both friends of the parents.
• The parents were both ex-police.

 

[crazychris]

• The father didn't want to pay for Steven's football ticket that day.
• No proof that the father attended the football match.
• The mother took her son, who was disabled and limped, on a 45 minute walk.
• No confirmed sighting of Doris with Steven that day.
• Chris left his wallet, glasses and money at home.
• The father had grabbed Steven and sent him to bed after he returned belligerent from the pub.
• The last sighting of Steven outside of his parents was 3 days before he vanished.
• The two dubious sightings of Steven after he disappeared were both friends of the parents.
• The parents were both ex-police.

You mean Steven, not Chris. None of that proves they killed him though. Police can't prove it still. With no body I doubt they can prove it and even with one it would be hard.

 

[Inspector Evans]

Are both parents still alive? Were early 80s in the docu that aired I think at some point in 2021.

Think this case will only see a re-emergence in the news when they've both passed and the house needs to be sold.

 

[crazychris]

Yes both still alive. Well am sure we'd hear if one had died.

 

[Inspector Evans]

You mean Steven, not Chris. None of that proves they killed him though. Police can't prove it still. With no body I doubt they can prove it and even with one it would be hard.

Location would be interesting if he was ever found. That would give a big clue I suspect.

 

[crazychris]

The toilet story in a way points away from them as someone said earlier in this thread. Why make that up at all if they had something to do with it? Why bother at all? The men and little girl too to embellish it. Was there ever a real appeal to get them to come forward? Could just have said he'd walked out and never seen again. Happens to hundreds of people every year as they'd know as ex cops. How we wish there was CCTV along that promenade then as there will no doubt be now.

 

[ekardh]

You mean Steven, not Chris. None of that proves they killed him though. Police can't prove it still. With no body I doubt they can prove it and even with one it would be hard.

Yeah, don't know why I put 'Chris'.... I'll blame your username!

No proof of foul play, otherwise they may have been charged, but that doesn't mean this case isn't suspicious.

We already have a physical altercation between Steven and his father prior to his disappearance. If Steven was frustrated about his disability, and harbored resentment towards his parents for it, this may have surfaced when he was drinking. The parents have a disabled adult child, who is drinking and becoming belligerent, and there were rumors about disagreements over money. I could certainly see a flashpoint situation happening.

 

[ekardh]

The toilet story in a way points away from them as someone said earlier in this thread. Why make that up at all if they had something to do with it? Why bother at all? The men and little girl too to embellish it. Was there ever a real appeal to get them to come forward? Could just have said he'd walked out and never seen again. Happens to hundreds of people every year as they'd know as ex cops. How we wish there was CCTV along that promenade then as there will no doubt be now.

The toilet story doesn't point away from them at all. It creates an accounted for window of time for Steven to disappear where he was out of his mother's sight. Saying he "just walked out" is too vague and puts all the emphasis on the parents. The toilet story fixes things to a neutral location, creates potential third-party involvement, and explains the separation from his caregiver "I couldn't look for him myself, as it was a men's toilet".

 

[Inspector Evans]

The toilet story in a way points away from them as someone said earlier in this thread. Why make that up at all if they had something to do with it? Why bother at all? The men and little girl too to embellish it. Was there ever a real appeal to get them to come forward? Could just have said he'd walked out and never seen again. Happens to hundreds of people every year as they'd know as ex cops. How we wish there was CCTV along that promenade then as there will no doubt be now.

It's a strange one as it was 40 minutes to get there with Steven's limp. So loads of people would've ID'ed them on the route if it happened as was a bank holiday.

Can't remember any of the story at the time due to age so can only assume police just took their word the walk happened and so didn't just appeal for eyewitnesses for that day?

Then as years have gone on with no serious leads at all they perhaps suspect they should've appealed more to the local community while memories were still fresh.

The whole story to me has just never made sense from the Mother just walking away while he was apparently still in the toilet! How many parents on here would genuinely do this if your Son/Daughter had gone in. Unless thousands do this in shopping centres/railway stations?

Very odd behaviour if that is genuinely what happened. Only logic is it was his home turf so he knew how to get back home compared to other parts of the U.K.

 

[ekardh]

It's a strange one as it was 40 minutes to get there with Steven's limp. So loads of people would've ID'ed them on the route if it happened as was a bank holiday.

Can't remember any of the story at the time due to age so can only assume police just took their word the walk happened and so didn't just appeal for eyewitnesses for that day?

Then as years have gone on with no serious leads at all they perhaps suspect they should've appealed more to the local community while memories were still fresh.

The whole story to me has just never made sense from the Mother just walking away while he was apparently still in the toilet! How many parents on here would genuinely do this if your Son/Daughter had gone in. Unless thousands do this in shopping centres/railway stations?

Very odd behaviour if that is genuinely what happened. Only logic is it was his home turf so he knew how to get back home compared to other parts of the U.K.

There is a suspicion that the walk never happened. I don't believe there were any confirmed sightings of Doris and Steven on the walk that day.

If Steven disappeared from the toilet, he was either kidnapped or he voluntarily walked off. It would be highly unlikely that someone abducted a grown man in broad daylight, and if he walked away, it's hard to believe he would have got that far ahead of his mother with his limp. Also, would he not have stood out with his disability? Most of the unconfirmed sightings took place days after and don't appear to be credible.

 

[Inspector Evans]

There is a suspicion that the walk never happened. I don't believe there were any confirmed sightings of Doris and Steven on the walk that day.

If Steven disappeared from the toilet, he was either kidnapped or he voluntarily walked off. It would be highly unlikely that someone abducted a grown man in broad daylight, and if he walked away, it's hard to believe he would have got that far ahead of his mother with his limp. Also, would he not have stood out with his disability? Most of the unconfirmed sightings took place days after and don't appear to be credible.

Indeed.

Just feels like one of those very lax police operations in the weeks, months and years after really. Expecting him to just turn up one day or something and now over 30 years have gone without any answers.

 

[crazychris]

The toilet story doesn't point away from them at all. It creates an accounted for window of time for Steven to disappear where he was out of his mother's sight. Saying he "just walked out" is too vague and puts all the emphasis on the parents. The toilet story fixes things to a neutral location, creates potential third-party involvement, and explains the separation from his caregiver "I couldn't look for him myself, as it was a men's toilet".

Yes you're right. I see now. Her saying he just went out is very vague and this story is more precise and could seem more plausible until you look at it more carefully.

 

[crazychris]

Indeed.

Just feels like one of those very lax police operations in the weeks, months and years after really. Expecting him to just turn up one day or something and now over 30 years have gone without any answers.

Was there ever a proper appeal for the 2 men and girl? Does anyone remember who lived around there then? Have seen several people on here from there but may be too young. I'd have had full length appeals in all local papers and on TV and local radio too.