Several' bodies found at Mandan, North Dakota business, 1 April 2019 *Arrest*

[eucalyptuz]

I was thinking that with the combined funeral service, we really can eliminate any theories involving workplace affairs, infidelity, etc. If there was even a whiff of anything along these lines I’m not sure the families would have such a united front.

 

[Mojo15]

When on google earth or google street view the RJR building doesn't even show up because it wasn't built yet. The person that did this has to know layout of the building, cameras, ect.
This leads me to think the person is an employee or former employee.

 

[sunshine4040]

Chain Saw.
Wood chipper.
Extreme grudge.

 

[cody22]

Help needed .....How far is the crime scene from 3256 River Place Drive N in Mandan, North Dakota ?.....moo

 

[NickoD]

Help needed .....How far is the crime scene from 3256 River Place Drive N in Mandan, North Dakota ?.....moo

Fairly far and no multiple routes.



Source: Google Maps

 

[cody22]

Fairly far and no multiple routes.

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Source: Google Maps

Thank you.........moo

 

[otto]

I am local also. And I agree, with the rumors floating around, I don't see how the police can say the public isn't at risk.

What that means is that police have enough evidence to state that these individuals were specifically targeted, and that the suspect is not simply murdering random people.

 

[Hatfield]

Map showing RJR and the location of the (currently unrelated) shooting last night:

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Source: Google Maps

Based on this article, i think it is showing a slightly different location but still about 3.1 miles away so that does not seem to be a stray bullet from the business or anything.

Unless the perp went over to that other location.

House front door location given as
1008 Fourth St. S.W.

Business location
RJR Maintenance and Management, 1106 32nd Ave. S.E.

Map of both below if i have it right (3.1 miles apart)

Google Maps

Shots fired in Mandan, but police say unrelated to homicides

 

[Mercedes]

What that means is that police have enough evidence to state that these individuals were specifically targeted, and that the suspect is not simply murdering random people.

Link?

Otto, what is your expertise? I forget. Thanks.

 

[human]

I am having a hard time understanding why more information has not been released about how they died. Seems so strange to not at least get basics from LE or news sources.

As far as motive, I have to shift back to the purpose of the business and maybe some disgruntled person that was having some business with them.

Someone brought up storage auctions the other day. That is a possibility that someone that had a storage unit somehow had a misunderstanding that his payments were being made and they may have auctioned off his unit contents. Once an auction happens the stuff becomes the new high bidders stuff.

That can really make someone extremely mad if they lost their valuable stuff when they thought the unit was being paid each month on time.

Below are the dealings in this business from article. I have a feeling its going to be someone involved with the business somehow and became upset:

"RJR’s website identified it as a family-owned company that has been handling commercial and residential properties in Bismarck and Mandan for more than 20 years. Its services include
collecting rent for landlords,
paying mortgages,
re-renting apartments,
building and grounds maintenance,
lawn care, and snow removal.
It also rents out storage units."

Bodies found at Mandan, N.D. business RJR Maintenance and Management

In MN where I lived, there was notification in the paper that an auction was being held. I imagine the people have been notified and did not have the funds or care to get their stuff. It is not a surprise to the people.

Did they try to work out a plan and were denied?

 

[zecats]

Chain Saw.
Wood chipper.
Extreme grudge.

Oh dear. Visions of the movie, Fargo. You are speculating, correct?

 

[zecats]

"The Mandan Police Department is calling upon the public to quit spreading rumors about a multiple homicide case involving four bodies found at RJR Maintenance and Management, 1106 32nd Ave. S.E.

The statement reads: "Although it seems like not much information is being released to the public, we have to ensure that we maintain the highest possible level of security with details surrounding this case.""

Personal comment: It appears that the authorities feel like COD, timeline, etc. directly relate to the apprehension of the suspect and the integrity of this investigation. Still, it's unrealistic to expect people to not speculate in this situation.

Link to article: Mandan police call for stop of rumors swirling around homicide case

The killer knows the timeline, COD, motive, victims names...There is no need to protect those things from the public for investigative integrity. JMO. (PS This is not directed at @NickoD but rather towards the statement from LE..

No intention to bash LE either. But seriously, how to you stop locals (and others) from spreading rumors? Give them some facts - the facts that are already known to whoever did this. MOO

 

[Hatfield]

In MN where I lived, there was notification in the paper that an auction was being held. I imagine the people have been notified and did not have the funds or care to get their stuff. It is not a surprise to the people.

Did they try to work out a plan and were denied?

I have attended those "abandoned/unpaid storage unit" auctions before and also watched that neat show on TV a lot which was about storage unit auctions so I got pretty familiar with how it all works.

You are correct that the owner of the storage facility will make attempts to contact a renter to give them a chance to make due on their balance before an auction is held on their unit, however, what happens sometimes is the renter moves to a different state or different house and doesnt contact the storage facility about their new address or new information , and so the storage facility a lot of times has trouble finding out how to even contact the renter on unpaid units.

So it is a pretty dicey situation really.
Every time I went to one of those auctions I always felt a little guilty bidding on other people's "stuff". Most of the time the stuff wasnt super valuable but there was that breaking news story awhile back where a buyer of an auctioned unit found millions of dollars in one (link below), so sometimes every now and then there can be real valuables in them.
Jewelry, and really nice stuff can be found sometimes in them.

We of course dont yet know the reason for these murders but I do think its possible that a renter of a storage unit may have gotten mad his stuff was sold. Someone linked back that the auction was not long ago before the murders.

That is where this theory may be more plausible because of the timing of the auctioned units being so close before the murders.

Finders keepers? Buyer finds $7.5 million in cash in auctioned Southern California storage unit

 

[sunshine4040]

Sorry I had to go there but?

 

[kaen]

What that means is that police have enough evidence to state that these individuals were specifically targeted, and that the suspect is not simply murdering random people.

The evidence that they have that all of us don't:

cell phones and use/contact history
social media and history
work related contacts and history of issues
email, phone contact history
the movements of each of the people through their phones
prior threats, prior client complaints, prior employee write-ups
video surveillance camera footage
any prints or dna found on or near the bodies

and I am sure some more

 

[zecats]

I have attended those "abandoned/unpaid storage unit" auctions before and also watched that neat show on TV a lot which was about storage unit auctions so I got pretty familiar with how it all works.

You are correct that the owner of the storage facility will make attempts to contact a renter to give them a chance to make due on their balance before an auction is held on their unit, however, what happens sometimes is the renter moves to a different state or different house and doesnt contact the storage facility about their new address or new information , and so the storage facility a lot of times has trouble finding out how to even contact the renter on unpaid units.

So it is a pretty dicey situation really.
Every time I went to one of those auctions I always felt a little guilty bidding on other people's "stuff". Most of the time the stuff wasnt super valuable but there was that breaking news story awhile back where a buyer of an auctioned unit found millions of dollars in one (link below), so sometimes every now and then there can be real valuables in them.
Jewelry, and really nice stuff can be found sometimes in them.

We of course dont yet know the reason for these murders but I do think its possible that a renter of a storage unit may have gotten mad his stuff was sold. Someone linked back that the auction was not long ago before the murders.

That is where this theory may be more plausible because of the timing of the auctioned units being so close before the murders.

Finders keepers? Buyer finds $7.5 million in cash in auctioned Southern California storage unit

These auctions are public? When a storage unit's contents are sold, would the former owner be aware of who bid on and won the unit?

Just curious. If this is a reason for someone to kill, might the new owners of the items in storage be in danger as well? JMO

Other potentially dangerous persons are the angry tenant not happy with their place of residence, or the business property owner who has issues with the maintenance supposedly being provided. Or some type of investor in the other services listed by this business. OR..a former or current employee. OR an angry relative, jilted lover, swindled partner. All MOO. And my point is - so many!

 

[Hatfield]

The killer knows the timeline, COD, motive, victims names...There is no need to protect those things from the public for investigative integrity. JMO. (PS This is not directed at @NickoD but rather towards the statement from LE..

No intention to bash LE either. But seriously, how to you stop locals (and others) from spreading rumors? Give them some facts - the facts that are already known to whoever did this. MOO

Exactly.

Im sorry but LE needs to be realistic these days of the internet, Facebook, and immediate transfer of news through SM, etc..

It is totally unrealistic for LE to expect the public to sit back and not speculate when they are provided almost zero information from authorities and give us a big mystery.

They create their own breeding ground for rumors in this case and they are the ones that can stop it by releasing enough information that tells us what happened and still doesnt have to hurt the investigation.

Please. Lets be real with the public and get with the program.

 

[MassGuy]

Exactly.

Im sorry but LE needs to be realistic these days of the internet, Facebook, and immediate transfer of news through SM, etc..

It is totally unrealistic for LE to expect the public to sit back and not speculate when they are provided almost zero information from authorities and give us a big mystery.

They create their own breeding ground for rumors in this case and they are the ones that can stop it by releasing enough information that tells us what happened and still doesnt have to hurt the investigation.

Please. Lets be real with the public and get with the program.

Exactly.

Even the Washington Post picked up on the story, and their angle was how weird the lack of information from law enforcement was.

When you refuse to answer simple questions, you are opening yourself up to the rumor mill.

The job of law enforcement is to protect the public, and arrest the perpetrator.

But there is a balance that needs to be struck, one that provides information while protecting the integrity of the investigation.

 

[NickoD]

My own commentary: Perhaps unsurprisingly, local residents are not feeling as safe.

Link to article: Mandan residents on edge as questions go unanswered about homicides

 

[Hatfield]

These auctions are public? When a storage unit's contents are sold, would the former owner be aware of who bid on and won the unit?

Just curious. If this is a reason for someone to kill, might the new owners of the items in storage be in danger as well? JMO

Those "unpaid/abandoned" storage unit auctions are public auctions, yes.

The storage place near where I live has a big sign on the street and they have them about once every 6 months. I think they also run a classified ad in the paper about the auction because I think that is a legal requirement for them to do so.

As far as would the former renter of a unit ever be able to find out who bought his "stuff"?
That is a good question and I have wondered this myself when leaving with their stuff. LOL

I do know the auctioneer takes down full information for every bidder and they keep detailed records of the winning bidders on the units, so the information is available. Just not sure if a disgruntled previous storage unit renter would ever be able to get to that information unless through an attorney or something.

Im not sure i want to go to another one of those auctions now that you bring up that question.