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[LINative13]

I also want to know how many times before or after the SG incident those tapes at the gate disappeared. Or was it only once?

 

[mcme]

I also want to know how many times before or after the SG incident those tapes at the gate disappeared. Or was it only once?

It happens every day, all day. Old data is replaced is replaced with new data.

 

[ps149]

PS149 Im curious about something. Do you believe if a major media outlet like CBS says hey you are right,our mistake, CPH never made that statement that the natural progression would be the neighbors would do the same? I dont think so.

Let me answer your question with another question along the same lines;

Would you think differently of CPH if CBS reveals that the source of the "he said he saw her" came from an interview with a member of SG's family and not from CPH or anyone living in Oak Beach?

 

[deedee21]

Let me answer your question with another question along the same lines;

Would you think differently of CPH if CBS reveals that the source of the "he said he saw her" came from an interview with a member of SG's family and not from CPH or anyone living in Oak Beach?

Unlike alot of people the only thing I MIGHT BELUEVE is the weather report.

 

[deedee21]

Thats might believe.

 

[LINative13]

It happens every day, all day. Old data is replaced is replaced with new data.

Ok I'll rephrase, how ,any times have the cops responded to someone's property being vandalized and the tapes diss appeared?

 

[LINative13]

It happens every day, all day. Old data is replaced is replaced with new data.

You are wrong. Standard cc tv systems replace every 3 weeks. Unless u guys have it set for a 24 hour loop.

 

[Tugela]

That is absolutely accurate, escorts could suffer grievous bodily harm and even be killed for trying to stiff a driver/pimp.

Wait a minute, does that sound like a motive for MP?

Was any money found in SG's wallet or belongings? I don't think so.

If JB did not pay SG, why wouldn't MP go after JB demanding money. Do you really think SG was the only escort in the world who did not require money up-front? No freebies in the escort world.


MOO

No, they wouldn't suffer grievous bodily harm, the driver simply wouldn't drive for them again, at least, not without a hefty price. Finding drivers isn't a simple thing, so they don't pee in that pot. It is like any business, you don't mess with your essential services, because, they are kind of essential.

MP was just a driver, not her pimp. Remember, she was living with her previous "driver", and it is safe to say that he wouldn't tolerate anything threatening coming from MP. MP's options if she didn't pay his fee would have been limited beyond not driving or providing services for her any more. Given the circumstances I doubt he was much more than a sub-contractor in effect.

As for the money, remember that SG freaked out and ran away AFTER the session, and she was wearing her clothes at the time. So it was done and over. The issue wasn't JB not paying her because both JB and MP were trying to calm her down during the 911 call. MP wasn't trying to strongarm JB, as you could think might happen if there was a dispute about paying. So, not about money. If she was having a paranoid break the money would have been the last thing on her mind. She could have left it behind or MP picked it up before going after her. Nothing mysterious there. The kinetics of that situation simple doesn't jive with your suggestion.

 

[LINative13]

Yes, unfortunately they get paid upfront and mp is documented as saying sg was trying to screw him out of his cut.


Jesus h Christ guys.

If you don't want to ell, just leave. Goto the other list site where the ******** and assanine theories are welcomed.

 

[mcme]

You are wrong. Standard cc tv systems replace every 3 weeks. Unless u guys have it set for a 24 hour loop.

I'm not sure what you believe I'm wrong about. With every bit of new data recorded an equal amount of old(the oldest)data is erased. It certainly takes longer than 24hrs before todays will be erased, but that really depends on how much new data is recorded over the next days/weeks.
And what is the U guys tossed in for? I don't have, and have never claimed to have any control over or access to the OIBA surveillance equipment.

 

[Justiceforever]

Tugela I happen to agree with this statement.

No, they wouldn't suffer grievous bodily harm, the driver simply wouldn't drive for them again, at least, not without a hefty price. Finding drivers isn't a simple thing, so they don't pee in that pot. It is like any business, you don't mess with your essential services, because, they are kind of essential.

MP was just a driver, not her pimp. Remember, she was living with her previous "driver", and it is safe to say that he wouldn't tolerate anything threatening coming from MP. MP's options if she didn't pay his fee would have been limited beyond not driving or providing services for her any more. Given the circumstances I doubt he was much more than a sub-contractor in effect.

 

[Justiceforever]

Except the part about not being able to find a driver not being a simple thing. Sure she could've found another driver. It's an easy job.

 

[mcme]

Yes, unfortunately they get paid upfront and mp is documented as saying sg was trying to screw him out of his cut.


Jesus h Christ guys.

If you don't want to ell, just leave. Goto the other list site where the ******** and assanine theories are welcomed.

Are you saying that unless I start to see things the way you do, I'm not welcome here? If I weren't a man, there'd be some kind of rolling on the ground laughing smiley face right here in place of these words.

 

[Tugela]

Well here is the first response from CBS.



Funny how he didn't use spell-check to correct the spelling of "together"?

Funnier is how Mike Xirinach's name is the only name signed to that news article yet according to the CBS representative, Mike had nothing to do with writing the article since he is merely a radio announcer. So the bigger question is, if Mike didn't write the article for CBS, then WHO DID?

NOT-SO-FUNNY is that prior to that article being posted online on April 13, 2011 on the CBS website, there was never any record ANYWHERE of anyone ever writing about CPH stating that "he saw her running at night
near Oak Beach, looking both sick and distressed".

NOWHERE.

Not in a printed newspaper.

Not in TV interview.

NOWHERE.

The quote did not exist prior to this online article posted April 13, 2011 with what we now know as having the incorrect author.

I'll keep everyone posted on the next response from the CBS "New York Web Team".

As far as CPH not making a stink about it, well Windsor he did. He wrote the letter to 48 Hours (part of CBS). Also, you give him too much credit to think that he even owns a device capable of accessing and searching the internet. For all we know, he is not aware that this was the source of the now infamous quote stating that he saw SG that evening.

Then again, for all we know he just may not care what we or CBS or anyone thinks he might have said or not said about that evening.

This breaking news is to be continued...

Well, given what you have found out, I would say that the report was probably cobbled together by more junior people from existing reports and they just got the people and events mixed up. That happens a lot in reporting, the people on radio/TV making the reports are not the people who actually gather or colllate the information, all they do is read on air whatever is put in front of them.

 

[ps149]

Well, given what you have found out, I would say that the report was probably cobbled together by more junior people from existing reports and they just got the people and events mixed up. That happens a lot in reporting, the people on radio/TV making the reports are not the people who actually gather or colllate the information, all they do is read on air whatever is put in front of them.

THANK YOU.

I have spoken to three of those junior people on the phone today and two from another news agency and all five of them basically said the exact same thing as you posted! They admit that names get mixed up sometimes as a result of the pressures put on them by their supervisors to be the first news source to release the story. Then they also told me "off the record" that sometimes they write stuff that they "heard through the grapevine" and then later find out that the grapevine was full of ***** (not my words, it was theirs!).

I am waiting for an official email response so I can post it here. The "off the record" info I received today is that there is only one (YES ONE) resident in all of Oak Beach who is spreading rumors that CPH told neighbors that he saw SG running away in the night. When asked to go on record, that neighbor would not do so. When asked for the names of the other neighbors who allegedly heard CPH make this statement, he could not produce them. Seems like this one neighbor has much trash talk to say about CPH but he cannot put any credibility behind his claims. Forgive me if this should be posted in the "rumors" discussion instead of here. I promise to post the official response. Hopefully it will cover some of what was spoken to me.

 

[Tugela]

You are wrong. Standard cc tv systems replace every 3 weeks. Unless u guys have it set for a 24 hour loop.

It depends. If it is tape based, those have limited storage capacity and being overwritten in a day or so is not odd or unusual. How long they last depends on the frame rate chosen and I imagine that most casual users will overwrite in a day or so, otherwise their record would end up being a series of stills rather than video. Footage from professional security might be around for longer, because the tapes themselves are physically retained for that period of time rather than overwritten.

Hard drive based systems can store more, but it depends on the size of the drive.

 

[hawkshaw]

U folks have to remember that when SG was a OB, her situation didn't appear to be critical.

 

[LINative13]

It depends. If it is tape based, those have limited storage capacity and being overwritten in a day or so is not odd or unusual. How long they last depends on the frame rate chosen and I imagine that most casual users will overwrite in a day or so, otherwise their record would end up being a series of stills rather than video. Footage from professional security might be around for longer, because the tapes themselves are physically retained for that period of time rather than overwritten.

Hard drive based systems can store more, but it depends on the size of the drive.

I have a CCTV system. There are no tapes. Its on hard drive. I can access it on my iphone. My system is not the most up to date system.....tapes are out. Harddrives are in. Unless otherwise specified by the user it will lapse every 3 weeks. I can go back and watch things perfectly for 3 weeks. No stills. It flows perfectly. I can however erase everything for the past 3 weeks, but probably wouldnt unless I murdered someone on the tape.

I know SG was a non incident until months later. BUt all of those nosey people down there at OB (its eveident they are nosey by there ramblings on these boards).....someone would have checked the tape (harddrive). Its not like she did not make a huge rukkis that woke up several neighbors. This dark SUV that was following her, wouldnt they be interested in license plates numbers? Since the reason the system is there is to prevent people from bumping into the little house where people punch in the codes?

My nrighborhood is nowehere as exclusive as OB. But I can guarantee you that if someone was running around my neighborhood, causing a big enough disturbance where the cops showed up, poeple were awakened.....somebody on my block would say "lets look at the security camera and see whats up." Especially after the pimps showed up looking for her 2-3 days later.

 

[LINative13]

Are you saying that unless I start to see things the way you do, I'm not welcome here? If I weren't a man, there'd be some kind of rolling on the ground laughing smiley face right here in place of these words.

Funny, I did not realize you were a man until just now.
I did not say you have to see eye to eye with me; but throwing up non sense BS does not help anyone. Just like your post where you said there was no current in the brambles and then the next sentence you said the current carried her pants 300 yards.
I do not have ot say anything; you say enough yourself.

 

[WINDSOR]

So ... some million more or less smart people run around and yell "Hackett did it". Without a real shred of evidence. And he missed some of them or didn't take up the fight with this legions of people without evidence in the first place. Which now is evidence, he did it? I admit, it is hard for me to follow that logic.

A couple of points here, Peter.

First just because one has no evidence of an event taking place, that does not preclude that event having happened. For example, I have no awareness how my ancestor died, but he still died.

Second, if somebody accused you of doing something nefarious, I think you would not be silent. In this age of instant communication most people at least make an attempt to clear their name.

Third, the point here is not if CPH 'did it' but if CPH met SG that night.

MOO