Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. #2

[Peter Brendt]

If it were the person/s who murdered SG (IF she was murdered) they would probably go to any and all lengths to frame a perfect scapegoat! If it were simply a person with a grudge? Probably not so far as evidence tampering. Maybe just an online campaign to make him look guilty.

An online campaign that size demands, by the need of permanent attention, the work and the obstacles for example to overcome to keep anonymity in the Internet (which is not half as anonymous as people think) a lot more dedication and determination than a lot of murders, I've studied. So, maybe, maybe not?

 

[deedee21]

I feel like this forum has been hijacked and turned into a courtroom via the internet. Just remember the less said the more remembered. The more said the less remembered.

 

[deedee21]

I didnt make the call. Dormers info says you did. I made the call and I dont remember what I said. I do remember what I didnt say. Come on folks.

 

[ps149]

I didnt make the call. Dormers info says you did. I made the call and I dont remember what I said. I do remember what I didnt say. Come on folks.

Your perception of what you think CPH said, denied, etc... is exactly what some of the reporters were explaining to me has grown out of the combination of the poor reporting combined with the grassroots campaign to discredit the Dr.

It was explained to me that it really went down something like this...

Doc denies ever meeting or speaking to SG = false reports that Doc denied ever speaking with MG.

Doc states that he never called MG to tell her that he took SG into his home = false reports that Doc states that he never called MG.

Doc said he told MG that he hopes that maybe she checked herself into a rehab = MG heard doc say she stayed with him in his rehab.

Doc denies calling MG the day after SG went missing = Doc denies ever calling MG.

They were not saying that Hackett did or did not deny calling MG at first. What they were saying was that in the rush to publish a statement that supported that he did initially deny making the call, some reporters might have misinterpreted the reports of their sources in the ways listed above.

So, using the words of Dormer- the real $64,000 question is can anyone produce the video or the transcript of the interview with CPH where he directly denies making the call to MG?

Speaking of which, it was emphasized that there was only any record produced of one and only ONE call ever made to MG from CPH. It is the one that lasted 4 minutes and it took place on May 6th immediately after CPH received a call from AD asking him to phone MG. The second call was said to be a call on Mothers Day to SG's sister's cell phone returning her phone call that she made to him that morning.

So the second $64,000 question is why did AD call CPH on May 6, 2010 to give him MG's phone number and to ask CPH to call her?

Was it because AD called CPH as the member of the OBA board of directors to ask him if they had any luck asking the neighborhood about SG?

Did AD ask CPH to call MG directly to tell her directly how there was no news?

Also, is a look at AD's and/or MG's phone records for May 6th, 2010 going to show a phone call between MG & AD that took place a few minutes before AD phoned CPH that evening and another phone call between them that took place a few minutes after MG spoke with CPH??

As far as we know, the phone records for 5/6/10 look like this;

7:20 - 7:24 AD calls and speaks with CPH
7:25 - 7:29 CPH calls and speaks with MG

But what if the phone records actually look like this for 5/6/10;

7:00 - 7:19 MG calls and speaks with AD
7:20 - 7:24 AD calls and speaks with CPH
7:25 - 7:29 CPH calls and speaks with MG
7:30 - 7:45 MG calls and speaks with AD again

Would such phone records make you think?

HMMM....

 

[deedee21]

None of my opinions have anything to do with the media.

 

[ps149]

Also, since we are on the topic of phone records, here is another copy of SG's records from the morning she was vanished;

Shannan’s Phone Records

DATE TIME PHONE # DESTINATION MINUTES USED OWNER

05/01/10 4:51 AM 911-000-0000 Emergency, 23

05/01/10 4:09 AM NEW YORK,NY 1 Michael Pak

05/01/10 3:15 AM NEW YORK,NY 2 Michael Pak

05/01/10 3:13 AM Incoming, 1 Michael Pak

05/01/10 3:04 AM NEW YORK,NY 6 Michael Pak

05/01/10 3:00 AM Incoming, 3 Michael Pak

05/01/10 2:57 AM NEW YORK,NY 3 Michael Pak

05/01/10 2:55 AM BABYLON,NY 1 Oak Beach CVS

(460 MONTAUK HIGHWAY WEST ISLIP, NY11795)

05/01/10 12:25 AM NEW YORK,NY 1 Michael Pak

05/01/10 12:23 AM NEW YORK,NY 2 Michael Pak

05/01/10 12:20 AM NEW YORK,NY 3 Michael Pak

04/30/10 10:02 PM NEW YORK,NY 2 Michael Pak

MP holds a secret that only he can reveal.

What was the nature of that six minute phone conversation with SG at 3:04AM while she was supposedly working for JB on the clock at that time?

In the middle of "an appointment", a prostitute would not normally have a six minute phone conversations with her driver at 3am in the morning (especially when he was supposedly parked right outside in the driveway).

MP you hold the key.

What do you know?

Six minutes is a mighty long time to be chatting without some memorable content to that conversation.

 

[deedee21]

I agree with you. Where are the videos? Dont get me wrong. Im not asking because I think they dont exits. They do. Im sure JR has what he needs

 

[deedee21]

PS 149 I dont know if this is her phone records. Alot of calls were made during the time she spent at JB house. Not much time went by in between alot of those calls. So for that reason I would like to ask you why your focusing on a 6 minute call?

 

[Tugela]

Also, since we are on the topic of phone records, here is another copy of SG's records from the morning she was vanished;



MP holds a secret that only he can reveal.

What was the nature of that six minute phone conversation with SG at 3:04AM while she was supposedly working for JB on the clock at that time?

In the middle of "an appointment", a prostitute would not normally have a six minute phone conversations with her driver at 3am in the morning (especially when he was supposedly parked right outside in the driveway).

MP you hold the key.

What do you know?

Six minutes is a mighty long time to be chatting without some memorable content to that conversation.

Probably something like this:

A) She calls the CVS, probably wanting to get something, condoms maybe, gets an answering machine and hangs up. (1 minute).
B) Then she calls MP, but he doesn't answer for whatever reason and she gets directed to voice mail (3 minutes to record message).
C) MP is screening calls, calls her back asks what she wants, gets irritated and says no, he is not going to go running around looking for what she wants. Hangs up. (3 minutes).
D) She gets POed, calls him back and has a few angry words and hangs up (6 minutes)

3 minutes later:

E) MP calls back, but she doesnt answer and it goes to voice mail (1 minute)
F) She returns call, but now MP is POed, doesn't answer and it goes to voice mail. Brief angry message. (2 minutes).

The rage is building in her. Her session with JB is done, and 50 minutes later she calls MP to bring the car up so she can go, but he doesn't answer and she goes to voice mail. Now she is mad as a snake.

JB starts to get antsy because she is freaking out and he wants her to leave. Paranoia grows. He tries to force her out. She takes that as being an attack on her and her security is no where to be found. Paranoia explodes.

MP has checked his messages, and finally arrives, but by now SG is in full crazy mode.

The 23 minute call to 911.

And so on.

If you look at that record of phone calls it is pretty easy to see how the scenario I outlined would have played out.

 

[deedee21]

JB thought she was buying him condom?

 

[hawkshaw]

why would sg buy jb condoms......jb said she wasn't there for sex?

 

[PreciousDust]

why would sg buy jb condoms......jb said she wasn't there for sex?

Plus, show me a hooker who doesn't arrive at a job without condoms in her purse.

 

[ps149]

PS 149 I dont know if this is her phone records. Alot of calls were made during the time she spent at JB house. Not much time went by in between alot of those calls. So for that reason I would like to ask you why your focusing on a 6 minute call?

Well if those are not her phone records then somebody from her family is scamming the public because they were the ones who posted it online.

The reason for the six minute phone call as being the key;

First let's clarify that the one minute incoming phone calls from MP ARE NOT messages left by him on SG's voicemail. A call that is not answered that goes to voicemail does not register as an incoming call on AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint or any of the other cellular company bills. Someone can call and leave you a thirty minute voicemail message and that entire call will not show up on your bill.

Second, correct me if I'm wrong but who really uses their phones to make phone calls anymore when we all have texting? The answer lies in the nature of the information that needs to be communicated. MP has said that he and SG sent/received texts that night in addition to calls. Smart criminals all know that the content of texts are stored by their phone company and they can be retrieved via subpenoa. So it is possibe since they were texting that night, the info they needed to speak about was something that they could not put in writing in a text (something they needed to hide because it was most likely illegal). The only other logical reason to call is impatience or frustration with the lag it takes for texts to go through. The theory that they were fighting (as MP has stated on and off camera that they were indeed fighting) could be a reason for SG to insist on speaking verbally to MP because using caps in her texts would still not have been enough of a tongue-lashing as she could dish out verbally over the phone.

The reason for the six minute phone call being the one key to what went down is because no other call between the two was that long. Six minutes of conversation is a long significant amount of time to be discussing something. Look at all the fuss over CPH's phone call to MG and that entire conversation lasted only four minutes. This is six minutes folks. Six minutes.

What on Earth was so important after 3am in the morning to hold a lengthly conversation about?

 

[deedee21]

There are 3 minute calls which would indicate the call went through . Also are you saying voicemals register as 1 minute calls? Even if thats the case we dont know if she spoke to him. We dont know what that back and forth is all about.

 

[deedee21]

MP took a polygraph. If hes lying the cops know it.

 

[MrsPC]

MP took a polygraph. If hes lying the cops know it.

not necessarily -- anyone can pass a polygraph IMO

 

[Tugela]

First let's clarify that the one minute incoming phone calls from MP ARE NOT messages left by him on SG's voicemail. A call that is not answered that goes to voicemail does not register as an incoming call on AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint or any of the other cellular company bills. Someone can call and leave you a thirty minute voicemail message and that entire call will not show up on your bill.

There is another way to record voice messages, and that is to use call forwarding to a line that has an answering machine attached. That way your messages remain in your physical possession, and not with the phone company. Very important if you are engaged in illegal activity. I don't know how it works with SG's company, but on my phone those calls are absolutely on the bill.

 

[Tugela]

Plus, show me a hooker who doesn't arrive at a job without condoms in her purse.

Condoms are a suggestion, we don't know what she wanted, but she obviously wanted something. Not necessarily condoms, could have been something else, at that time of the night not much is open.

She would have come with condoms, but she might not have had enough (look up the term MSOG if you want to know why that might be), or she might have wanted a different type.

 

[Tugela]

why would sg buy jb condoms......jb said she wasn't there for sex?

Maybe he fibbed?

 

[deedee21]

There is another way to record voice messages, and that is to use call forwarding to a line that has an answering machine attached. That way your messages remain in your physical possession, and not with the phone company. Very important if you are engaged in illegal activity. I don't know how it works with SG's company, but on my phone those calls are absolutely on the bill.

Thats what I was curious about. The bill does not show any incoming calls after SG 911 call. If you recall MP said SG ran away and he could not find her. He said he called her and was asking her "where are you"? Did her phone ring then go to voice mail? Or was her battery dead so therefore go straight to voucemail? If he called her would those calls be on her bill. His bill should reflect wheather he made those calls or not.