Sheri Coleman, sons Garett and Gavin murdered 5-5-09, Columbia, IL. Pt3

[OrdinaryLife]

I don't think the threats had anything to do with the post office.
They were hand delivered, not using the mail only using the mailbox.
That's the reason for the camera pointed at the box.
IMO

I agree pferrin - but if he was controlling, etc., etc., etc.............maybe she just needed someone who cared?? It could also be something totally innocent - maybe CC filmed she and CC unknowingly to her, and then he used it as "blackmail". IDK - Maybe I read too many books - don't watch any tv except for news and NG and sometimes TRU tv. I just keep going back to the question - WHAT made her sign away all her possessions? Timeline doesn't work for me - signed away in Nov, stayed with him until murdered. I have no doubts he was cheating. (MOO) She may have even found out and confronted him. Things were sooooooo in place for him - it's in my nature to want to know why.

I believe if SC signed over the home, allowed the cars to be only in his name, and anything else there was, it was due to misplaced trust. It wouldn't have been that difficult for her to do, even if she questioned CC, if he gave her an explanation that seemed fitting. If you are abused over time, even a normal financial conversation between two becomes one sided. He may have always led her to believe he was the smarter of the two. He knew best. If SC was such a person that many have shared here, her life was her husband and children. Her devotion completely. Add in the questionable church they were part of (and that church's dogma) may have cemented that.

imo

 

[Texas Mist]

My first husband was very controlling and I know the damage they can do - I realize they can make you do things you wouldn't normally do. I was lucky - I got out with the clothes on my back and nothing else -

I can see that this could be the case with SC - but...... (there's always a "but", isn't there?) I can't see a controlling husband allowing her to go on her mission trips without him. DId he also go with her? I hadn't heard that he did - It is my understanding he didn't - and if he wasn't at her side, how could he control who she talked to, etc.........? Control freaks usually like to keep you under their thumbs at all times - no friends, no job, no spending money......

I understand too about the control freaks....I wasn't "allowed" to work until my WASband decided the $$ was a good thing..then he showed up @ the office on payday & had me sign my check over to him and he put it in *his* checking account.

Maybe Sheri was "allowed" to go on the mission trips because it gave him unaccountable "play time"....no one around to know what *his* comings & goings were.

Where I'm going with this is, that some controllers "allow" what they want when it benefits them....just a thought.

 

[rosepetal1065]

Just wonder how well he will be treated in the Monroe County Slammer here in Waterloo, Chestergal.....I do not think bail will be offered...but I could be wrong.....too much of a flight risk....

Or worse, the trend seems to be do the crime and then off yourself. No answers or reasons to be had.
moo

 

[pferrin]

He was probably much more subtle. Keeping control of money. Single moms have it so tough especially when she is first moving out.

As far as Black MAIL It is just one more diversion to try to get us off track. One more stradegy the defense will try to make sense of an act so terrible that it will never make sense.

To even hypothesize that Sheri did anything like that is very disrespectful for the woman that paid the ultimate price. RIP Sheri.

 

[who knew?]

I think I'm confusing myself

I know what I believe:
CC is not just guilty, but guilty, guilty and guilty.
SC was well-loved by many - she was gentle and caring - she loved her boys and God.
CC was having an affair(s) -

My questions -
Why did SC sign away her possessions? Did CC convince her this was what JM wanted? If it was not her, but someone else, who? Don't you have to have proof of who you are - re "Patriot Act"?

Did JM know of CC's "daliances"? Was she okay with them until he was caught?

As for the video "security" business - could his video have anything to do with TL - *advertiser censored*? I was he ACTIVELY involved in it (if you get my drift) - maybe even with TL? If he had such a successful video surveillance business, why aren't people coming forward defending him and the wonderful jobs he did for them? (Answer - because *advertiser censored* is illegal???)

Just pondering away here..........

 

[OrdinaryLife]

My first husband was very controlling and I know the damage they can do - I realize they can make you do things you wouldn't normally do. I was lucky - I got out with the clothes on my back and nothing else -

I can see that this could be the case with SC - but...... (there's always a "but", isn't there?) I can't see a controlling husband allowing her to go on her mission trips without him. DId he also go with her? I hadn't heard that he did - It is my understanding he didn't - and if he wasn't at her side, how could he control who she talked to, etc.........? Control freaks usually like to keep you under their thumbs at all times - no friends, no job, no spending money......

SC mission trips were church related. I have little doubt CC would have considered these trips "safe". Now, if SC tried to take a little personal time either by herself or with her friends, that would have been a different story.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

He was probably much more subtle. Keeping control of money. Single moms have it so tough especially when she is first moving out.

As far as Black MAIL It is just one more diversion to try to get us off track. One more stradegy the defense will try to make sense of an act so terrible that it will never make sense.

To even hypothesize that Sheri did anything like that is very disrespectful for the woman that paid the ultimate price. RIP Sheri.

I totally agree. Blackmail "talk" is just that. Talk. Pure b.s. They, who tossed that out there, are giving this guy waaaaaaaay too much credit for intelligience. A Mother and two beautiful boys murdered by this "man's" hands. Kinda makes me spit up a little.....

 

[SeriouslySearching]

We can speculate there was abuse in the home, but I haven't heard anyone who knew them voice this opinion. As a couple, they were active with the boys, the church, and the community. I would expect people to be coming out of the woodwork to tell tales of suspected abuse from Chris be it mental, verbal, or physical. We don't know he controlled Sheri. I wish someone who interacted with them on a regular basis would talk and fill in some details.

 

[who knew?]

He was probably much more subtle. Keeping control of money. Single moms have it so tough especially when she is first moving out.

As far as Black MAIL It is just one more diversion to try to get us off track. One more stradegy the defense will try to make sense of an act so terrible that it will never make sense.

To even hypothesize that Sheri did anything like that is very disrespectful for the woman that paid the ultimate price. RIP Sheri.

Sorry pferrin - I'm not dissing SC. She was a wonderful and beautiful lady. CC was lucky she gave him the time of day. I just know that while I'm religious, God fearing and was married to a control freak (Yes - everything was in his name) - I ended up having an affair. The man helped me get out of my he$$ish marriage. Did I use him? Probably. Desperation makes us do desperate things - but murder was not an option I considered. :furious:

I am still religious, and very ashamed for what I did. I had a difficult time dealing with what I'd done - But my minister told me that God works in mysterious ways. So the fact SC was a loving and devoted wife - and I believe she was - having an affair or even a one time event doesn't make her a bad person. On the other hand, I'm not saying she did this. She was a much better person than I was as she stayed with CC and tried to make it work.

 

[kiki the parrot]

IMO - CC is guilty. But thinking over the recent "clues" - IF (Big If) blackmail is key to this....................what if SC had an affair and was being blackmailed? But, unknownst to her, maybe CC is the one doing the blackmailing?? Suspose he had video as proof (sent of course by the "blackmailer") - He was, therefore, able to convince her to put everything in his name to "protect the family" - and because of his control issues, he killed her because his rules are that he can cheat but she can't. I still think he killed the kids because of some unforseen "problem" - maybe they woke up in the middle of strangling mom???
I know it's out there in left field - I just can't get a reasonable explanation as to why she would allow everything to be taken out of her name. The family did not have a lot of debt according to someone interviewed on NG. (Sorry - don't remember who, but it was mentioned above.) And to say that it was for some credit report purpose just doesn't make sense. If they didn't have a lot of debt, how would putting everything is CC's name help their credit score? If there was very little credit card debt and it was left in her name, how is that going to help them? There's no need for bankruptcy in that case - she isn't making enough money to get any kind of additional debt........ This just doesn't make sense to me. I want to know why she was willing to sign away her rights? It was done in November - if they were talking divorce, and she was willing to sign away her posessions so she could have the boys, why wasn't she already gone....divorced...separated?

Just interested in seeing what you all think...

This has me wondering too If your motive is primarily financial and you've succeeded in getting spouse to sign over the deed and all other assets, this seemingly makes murder "unnecessary." Except to avoid child support and even then to kill your children is "overkill," since obviously there's no longer anyone to make those payments to. So IF it is in fact CC who is responsible, and if it was solely for financial gain, then SC was killed in order to avoid having to make support payments and their children were hapless witnesses to mother's murder--or, as I posted earlier a conflict which could have implicated their father. OR he wanted no remnant even of his former life and was willing to do this to achieve his idealized life.

arrot:

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Or worse, the trend seems to be do the crime and then off yourself. No answers or reasons to be had.
moo

True. Murder/Suicides are too prevalent in our society.

However, If Chris were going to harm himself...he would have done it right after the murders.

I do not think there is any chance he will harm anyone else either. Cowards kill women and children in their sleep.

 

[who knew?]

Since "one-hit-wonder" has not been back on to post, giving more "clues", applauding correct guesses - I'm going to assume it was a lead to nowhere. You who believe it's just a theory thrown out by the defense are probably right.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

We can speculate there was abuse in the home, but I haven't heard anyone who knew them voice this opinion. As a couple, they were active with the boys, the church, and the community. I would expect people to be coming out of the woodwork to tell tales of suspected abuse from Chris be it mental, verbal, or physical. We don't know he controlled Sheri. I wish someone who interacted with them on a regular basis would talk and fill in some details.

I can tell you from in depth marriage experience, no one knew. What they saw was the happy OL/Mr.OL, three magnificient children, a home, and two cars in the garage. My own family had absolutely no idea because in their eyes, I had "everything". The simularities of financial, home, and cars I can relate to a disturbing level. The signs are there. Abuse is much more insidious than many think it is. There is an imperfect definition of what is in the books for educating. Unless you are in it, you cannot appreciate that.

 

[kiki the parrot]

We can speculate there was abuse in the home, but I haven't heard anyone who knew them voice this opinion. As a couple, they were active with the boys, the church, and the community. I would expect people to be coming out of the woodwork to tell tales of suspected abuse from Chris be it mental, verbal, or physical. We don't know he controlled Sheri. I wish someone who interacted with them on a regular basis would talk and fill in some details.

The fact they were as a couple active either with the boys, in their church or in their community tells us little or nothing about what went on behind closed doors. It's not only possible, but predictable that a person fitting the profile described should maintain appearances. We do know there was deception (which is abusive if you're the spouse being deceived and lied to) and that any spouse w whom you're still intimate who is not sexually faithful is being reckless and endangering your health and wellbeing. I'd give anything to have a few flies on the wall step forward too but trust me, we'll have a tough time finding "witnesses" (especially w the boys both gone now) to any abuse that may have occurred within the home (there was no appropriate response even when I cried out for help w/in my church community which is alot more than most women find the courage to do) which is why it's so often allowed to continue w/out intervention... and ends tragically.

arrot:

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I can tell you from in depth marriage experience, no one knew. What they saw was the happy OL/Mr.OL, three magnificient children, a home, and two cars in the garage. My own family had absolutely no idea because in their eyes, I had "everything". The simularities of financial, home, and cars I can relate to a disturbing level. The signs are there. Abuse is much more insidious than many think it is. There is an imperfect definition of what is in the books for educating. Unless you are in it, you cannot appreciate that.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
I couldn't say it any better myself!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I can tell you from in depth marriage experience, no one knew. What they saw was the happy OL/Mr.OL, three magnificient children, a home, and two cars in the garage. My own family had absolutely no idea because in their eyes, I had "everything". The simularities of financial, home, and cars I can relate to a disturbing level. The signs are there. Abuse is much more insidious than many think it is. There is an imperfect definition of what is in the books for educating. Unless you are in it, you cannot appreciate that.

While I do appreciate what you went through and what you are saying, we do not have any indication anything of the sort was happening with Sheri and Chris. We know things were not perfect with the affair and other things going on inside the home, but I am not ready to characterize it as abuse yet.

Sheri was not being controlled to the point of no friends, not being allowed to talk to her family, or where others in the community noticed problems evidently. There are signs even in a family where no one speaks about it and the abuse isn't done out in the open. Someone would have seen something or Sheri would have said something to a close friend/confidant.

 

[AfterSunset]

My first husband was very controlling and I know the damage they can do - I realize they can make you do things you wouldn't normally do. I was lucky - I got out with the clothes on my back and nothing else -

I can see that this could be the case with SC - but...... (there's always a "but", isn't there?) I can't see a controlling husband allowing her to go on her mission trips without him. DId he also go with her? I hadn't heard that he did - It is my understanding he didn't - and if he wasn't at her side, how could he control who she talked to, etc.........? Control freaks usually like to keep you under their thumbs at all times - no friends, no job, no spending money......

sometimes IF (and that's a big IF) the situation (say Sheri going on a mission trip) "might" be allowed because the benefits for himself might far outweight keeping her under his thumb (could free him up for some rondevous he wants for himself)..with a abusive, controlling person it is all about them and what benefits themselves...not to say that she would "pay for it" in the long run...I know...I always had to pay for whatever it was "I" did....thank goodness I made it out...

Texas Mist & SusieQ
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re: why wasn't she gone/divorced/separated -- because he could have done what many controlling spouses do -- told her "I'll hunt you down & kill you if you ever leave me"...."no one will ever find you if you leave me"...."you'll never, ever see the boys again if you even think about leaving", "who's going to believe you anyway", etc.

Hence the spray painted "I/we told you this would happen"
<snip>

one of the most true statements I've read in here...been there...experienced that along with a gun put to my head...and yeah...I was scared to leave...took me 12 years to get my ducks in a row...make a backup/escape plan and get out safely with my children and the clothes on our backs and little material things...
oh yeah and no one (especially my family) knew what went on behind our closed doors...I was full of shame and did not want anyone to know...even my best friends...it was only when (I could no longer hide) the physical abuse (leaving marks/bruises/etc on my face and neck) things really started to fall apart...
just saying....

 

[SuziQ]

Who knew, Mortgage fraud is rampant and not hard to commit. That's why 85 year olds are suddenly thrown out on the street, because someone unknown to them forged their signature to a quick deed. Proceeded to take out a hefty mortgage loan then skipped town and don't make the payments.

All you need is a either a fake ID and with a stand in person, or a dishonest or not so bright Notary. Scary to think about, but people everyday don't find out for month's or years that they no longer own their home because of fraud.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Kiki, I know what you are saying. When I called 911, LE came to my house. There were several, ven the police chief. We were a fairly high profile couple in the community. All the officers did was take him outside to calm him down. One officer stayed inside with me who lectured me on being a good wife and not doing things to set him off. WTH!

He was powerful, I wasn't. There are those who still defend him even after his shenanigans caught up with him and it was plastered all over the news media! Such a charmer......

 

[chicagofa13]

Just checking in to see if there was an arrest. Guess not. Was secretly wishing they would do it during church...