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Question for my side bar friends.

In situations where a friend has a family member that has committed suicide I have given them "the grief hand book" and the book "my son my son".

My good friend's son has just unsuccessfully tried to commit suicide with alcohol and pills. He has just come out of his coma today after 2 days. Does anyone have any supportive book book to recommend to give to them to read? they are avid readers.

He is 40 years old, lives 14 hours away from them, is depressed about a recent divorce and has two children.

Oh my. So sorry to hear. I cant help you with book referrels as I haven't read real books for many years.

Maybe googling the subject could refer some good helpful books.

The only advice I would like to offer him if I could say anything to him or through his relative is I have seen people on TV that had done that and made it through and years later they are so happy they didnt succeed because their life is so much different and better than it was at the time. So things change over time for everyone.

Things may look hopeless now but as years go by things will be different. Guaranteed to be different. We all hope our lives change for the better but we can guarantee it will change and compared to where he is now it should be better in the years to come.
 
Hatfield, I think your description of a dog on-point describes my little rat terrier, too. When she is focused on a critter in the yard, nothing will deter her and she stands very still waiting her opportunity to pounce.

Hello Spellbound
That is a really good sign that his genes are from a well bred and well trained history. The "pointing" is definitely a "trait" of certain breeds and the really good bloodlines will have natural pointers that do this naturally. Of course with some training on top of that then a hunting dog can really become quite an expert at it.

The Rat Terrier I was told years ago used to help hunt for and find rodents and even small game like rabbits so hunters would even use them. I maybe just assuming this but I think they were also used many years ago to find varmints in the buildings and houses like an exterminator so they could rid the building of infestations.

It is wonderful to watch them point isn't it? Its just an amazing thing and I love watching pointer dogs.
 
I didn't think the German Shepard would win- he couldn't compare to the GS who won in 1987, IMO. I remember how magnificent he was.

BIS Ch. Covy-Tucker Hill's Manhattan ROM OFA

"...In 1987 "Hatter" was awarded "Best in Show" at the Westminster Kennel Club dog show, at Madison Square Garden, in New York City.."

http://www.covy-tuckerhill.com/manhattan


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I did like the Borzoi and the German Shorthaired Pointer- either one was the winner for me, IMO.

I remember that dog very well and I remember that show the year that particular german shepard won. He brought tears to my eyes and still does just looking at his picture.

That was and is the best example of a German Shepard I have ever seen in my life. From what I rememember about the show the audience was also flabbergasted by him. Everyone was in awe at such a fine specimen. He made big news back then from what I recall.

Its funny how every now and then there is a dog such as this. Kind of like the "Halle Berry's" in the dog world. :)
 
I have been thinking about CJ and her family all day, as I imagine you all have been doing as well. Prayers and Jingles being sent up for them.

Three years ago, you could not have told me that I would care so much about people I have never met in person. I would have never thought it possible, yet it is. How lucky am I to have such wonderful friends as you. Xo
 
Sorry Spellbound- I didn't know you had already posted the podcast with jenny McCarthy.

Is there more than this sound bite/interview and where would I find it? TIA
 
Question for my side bar friends.

In situations where a friend has a family member that has committed suicide I have given them "the grief hand book" and the book "my son my son".

My good friend's son has just unsuccessfully tried to commit suicide with alcohol and pills. He has just come out of his coma today after 2 days. Does anyone have any supportive book book to recommend to give to them to read? they are avid readers.

He is 40 years old, lives 14 hours away from them, is depressed about a recent divorce and has two children.

So sorry to hear about your friend's son. I have read some good books on suicide many years ago that I still have and that might be helpful for them to read. Here they are on Amazon:

November of the Soul: The Enigma of Suicide by George Howe Colt (I had read this author's other book, The Big House, and picked this one up to read one day):

"Written with the same graceful narrative voice that made his bestselling National Book Award finalist The Big House such a success, George Howe Colt's November of the Soul is a compassionate, compelling, thought-provoking, and exhaustive investigation into the subject of suicide. Drawing on hundreds of in-depth interviews and a fascinating survey of current knowledge, Colt provides moving case studies to offer insight into all aspects of suicide -- its cultural history, the latest biological and psychological research, the possibilities of prevention, the complexities of the right-to-die movement, and the effects on suicide's survivors.
Presented with deep compassion and humanity, November of the Soul is an invaluable contribution not only to our understanding of suicide but also of the human condition."

http://www.amazon.com/November-Soul...eywords=november+of+the+soul+george+howe+colt

A review of November of the Soul: The Enigma of Suicide

"...It should be noted that this book is not devoted to offering definitive solutions to the problems that it discusses. It also does not attempt to offer pragmatic advice to those who would like to identify and intervene in cases where someone is at high risk of taking their own life. This is a book written by a journalist for the layperson and, therefore, I do not think that it will be of more than passing interest to the professional or academic. The principal reader of November of the Soul will be someone who has been personally affected by suicide and who would like to make sense of what has transpired."

http://metapsychology.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=book&id=3569&cn=158
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Night Falls Fast: Understanding Suicide by Kay Redfield Jamison

"From the author of the best-selling memoir An Unquiet Mind, comes the first major book in a quarter century on suicide, and its terrible pull on the young in particular. Night Falls Fast is tragically timely: suicide has become one of the most common killers of Americans between the ages of fifteen and forty-five.

An internationally acknowledged authority on depressive illnesses, Dr. Jamison has also known suicide firsthand: after years of struggling with manic-depression, she tried at age twenty-eight to kill herself. Weaving together a historical and scientific exploration of the subject with personal essays on individual suicides, she brings not only her remarkable compassion and literary skill but also all of her knowledge and research to bear on this devastating problem. This is a book that helps us to understand the suicidal mind, to recognize and come to the aid of those at risk, and to comprehend the profound effects on those left behind. It is critical reading for parents, educators, and anyone wanting to understand this tragic epidemic."

http://www.amazon.com/Night-Falls-Fast-Understanding-Suicide/dp/0375701478

Book Review of Night Falls Fast by David Yarian, Ph.D.

"...I recommend this book to everyone touched by suicide. For those who are struggling with thoughts and desires of suicide, Jamison offers information that can help you find a better way. To those who have lost a loved one to suicide, her compassionate yet scientific presentation can provide comfort and understanding. To those who are trying to help those who are struggling, whether as friend, family member or professional, this book will help you understand suicide better -- the experience, the painful struggle, and how to help."

http://www.davidyarian.com/book-reviews/night-fall-fast-understanding-suicide.htm

And here is an EXCERPT

Night Falls Fast
Understanding Suicide

By KAY REDFIELD JAMISON

https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jamison-night.html
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And the last book:

Suicide: The Forever Decision by Paul G. Quinnett

"For those thinking about suicide, and for those who know, love, or counsel them, this book discusses the social aspects of suicide, the right to die, anger, loneliness, depression, stress, hopelessness, drug and alcohol abuse, the consequences of a suicide attempt, and how to get help"

http://www.amazon.com/Suicide-Decis...&sr=1-1&keywords=Suicide+the+Forever+Decision

A review of Suicide: The Forever Decision :

"Pros: Honest, respectful, insightful book for people who feel ready to make a final exit.

Cons: Might be too direct for some people. Could be offputting...

Quinnett comes across as a very wise counselor. He doesn't write a lot of trite, mushy "you've got your whole life ahead of you" stuff that depressed people have heard a billion times before. Quinnett writes the truth...

I found this book to be very comforting when I was feeling depressed on a regular basis. Quinnett's tone is empathetic, insightful, and respectful. The book is not overwhelming or overly long. He's used a comfortably large sized font that's easy on the eyes so the book is easy to read. In my opinion, it would be easy for people with depression to pick this book up and read it-- it was for me, anyway. Those who have the will to read this book have most assuredly not conclusively decided to kill themselves. I believe that Paul G. Quinnett's book may help these people tip the scales in the direction of choosing life. Yes, suicide is a choice that people are able to make to solve all of their problems right now and forevermore. But this book is very likely to show readers why they shouldn't make a choice that will solve all of their problems forever. For that reason, I recommend it wholeheartedly."

http://theovereducatedhousewife.blogspot.com/2015/11/reposted-review-of-suicide-forever.html
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Those are the 3 books that I have read that I recommend. Take a look and see what you think.
Amazon has lots of books on suicide if these books I have listed are not to your liking. Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=Suicide+

(and this is why I neeeed to keep all my books :tantrum: )
 
Morning all! :wave:



:lol: too funny!! I get my book next week - well, it will be shipped Feb. 22nd... :juanettes:





Regarding the "Grim Sleeper" case - don't know if this link will be okay, but will post anyway - Sprocket is at the courthouse!! Link:
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/

Quiz:
Regarding the "Would you rather" be a famous athlete - is the one I picked - I want to be a downhill skier in my next life!
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And my answer:
You got: Mediator
You’re a great advisor, and people often come to you when they need advice. You’re wise, smart, helpful, and resourceful.

hmmm... NOT!! No one comes to me for advice! :laughcry: BUT I am wise and smart!! :lol:





and... YESorNO - :snowball:

Okay - off to take the Huz for his 3-month chemo shot! LOTS of problems with his "new" insurance - Covered California - Anthem Blue Cross - so we are trying to change it to Blue Shield, which ALL his doctors plus our local hospital takes!! :gaah:

Later! :seeya:

RAINING!! :skip:

I just received my JM book this afternoon (a day early)!!!!!!! :confetti:

Thanks for the link to the Grim Sleeper trial- it will be very helpful as I am planning to follow that trial (as soon as I finish JM's book, that is :facepalm:)
(see- you are helpful Niner) :)

Hope the shot makes your DH feel better soon. :blowkiss:

Anddddddd-- :slap:.. and...:tomato:... to you

:snowball::snowball::snowball:
 
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BBM :hilarious:

They are beautiful.

The Queen and I were watching the dog show and The Queen could not abide those prancing dogs in HER bedroom.
She growled and barked everytime one of them paraded around on our TV screen. She is impossible. :giggle:
 
Hello Spellbound
That is a really good sign that his genes are from a well bred and well trained history. The "pointing" is definitely a "trait" of certain breeds and the really good bloodlines will have natural pointers that do this naturally. Of course with some training on top of that then a hunting dog can really become quite an expert at it.

The Rat Terrier I was told years ago used to help hunt for and find rodents and even small game like rabbits so hunters would even use them. I maybe just assuming this but I think they were also used many years ago to find varmints in the buildings and houses like an exterminator so they could rid the building of infestations.

It is wonderful to watch them point isn't it? Its just an amazing thing and I love watching pointer dogs.


Nice info, Hatfield. Thanks. She has been known to catch voles and birds, and has come close to catching up with the rabbits and squirrels. Sometimes I believe she is going to climb the tree after the latter. We have not trained her for hunting, so I don't know how she would do, but I suspect it would be excellent. I try to keep her from digging --- though any large dog bone/biscuit gets buried outside and then dug back up before she will eat it. :giggle: We partitioned off a smallish section of our yard to keep the wild critters safe. ( We are always remarking on the strength her muscles exhibit. )



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Is there more than this sound bite/interview and where would I find it? TIA

Zuri, I have only heard those two small clips at the link Y-N posted.
 
Pages, you always make me smile! English tea party? It would be at a hotel where we could be serrrrvvvvvveeedddd dahling. The High Tea bridal shower for KCL was pretty darn perfect in my eyes. That was held at the Biltmore in Phoenix. The flowers were what made it IMO and of course the bride :)

ETA: Menu would include tea sandwiches and small confitures. Varieties of English tea served using good China. At the Biltmore, they had Herend china which I loved. I printed the invites on fancy invitations, but didn't include anything about hats. KCL wore a cute hat her grandmother had had. I only have a riding helmet, so no hat for me lol. The table was set beautifully there and if I had a tea at my home, I would try and copy what they did!


And just when is this tea party? I have my hat all ready, lol. Hi girls!!!!
 
Any word from CJ? Waiting for an update ..... I'm a bit worried.
 
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We Know Your Personality Based On These “Would You Rather” Questions
It’s a lot harder than you think!


http://www.buzzfeed.com/vikky/can-we-guess-your-personality-from-these-would-yo-y65c#.xe2QArvVk

I got: Mediator
You’re a great advisor, and people often come to you when they need advice. You’re wise, smart, helpful, and resourceful.

I got: Leader

You’re charismatic, ambitious, hardworking, and strong-willed. You want to reach the top and to achieve your dreams. You’re reliable and responsible.
 
Spellbound said:
Niner, if you are closer to a notary you can still request the death certificate by mail. You would need to download
the form "Certificate of Identity" and have it notarized --- which means they believe you to be the person you say you are, the sister. Send that with your check and application. Sometimes a bank will have a notary, and may not charge a notary fee if you have an account there.

the forms are here, under "by Mail" column: http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/dca/dcadeath.htm

Oh :tyou: for this!!! I'll check it out - and probably at my little local bank they'll do the notary for free! I wasn't looking forward driving a 800 mile trip to and back from L.A.!!
Love :luv: your Snow dogs Zuri!

Zuri said:
I have been thinking about CJ and her family all day, as I imagine you all have been doing as well. Prayers and Jingles being sent up for them.

Three years ago, you could not have told me that I would care so much about people I have never met in person. I would have never thought it possible, yet it is. How lucky am I to have such wonderful friends as you. Xo

Yes - I've been thinking about CJ too - I've been saying prayers every night for Ryan and that he comes out as good as new - and NO alchol cravings!! :grouphug: And I too could not EVEN imagine I would be friends with people I have not met... strange, eh? You all are the best! You all have calmed me down about the Huz' cancer! Plus I came back to say that we got some results today at the cancer doctor appointment! We are both :happydance: as his red blood cell count is UP!! And the proteins for the cancer cells in DOWN!! another :happydance: So this Lupren shot he's getting 3 months ago and another one today is WORKING!!! :skip: So we are feeling good today! :D

I just received my JM book this afternoon (a day early)!!!!!!! :confetti:

Thanks for the link to the Grim Sleeper trial- it will be very helpful as I am planning to follow that trial (as soon as I finish JM's book, that is :facepalm:)
(see- you are helpful Niner) :)

Hope the shot makes your DH feel better soon. :blowkiss:

Anddddddd-- :slap:.. and...:tomato:... to you

:snowball::snowball::snowball:

Yea for your book~! :cheer: :waiting: for mine next week...

Yes, follow Sprocket - she is really good reporter! I followed her on the Robert Blake trial and bunch of others! It's like you're in the court room with her! :judge:

Yes, Huz' shots are VERY helpful it turns out - see above ^^

Okay - later folks - signing off for the night - just wanted to report Huz' medical condition!

:seeya:
 
Zuri ~ I'm sure they told us his blood alcohol level, I can't recall what his was. No, no life support. He has a feeding tube, a port for meds, oxygen, that's about it. I have read many articles online about this and I have made a list of questions to ask. I know I'm asking about the Glasgow Coma Scale and what his is. Today is his birthday :(

I'm scared and angry, I dread going today!

CJ, please don't take the Glasgow Coma Scale scores too seriously. Their just "best guesses."

My BF suffered Severe Traumatic Brain Injury after an automotive accident, wherein he was medivac-ed to (the highly regarded) Baltimore Shock Trauma unit of the UM@B hospital. His Glasgow scores were all a "1". You can't score lower. The scenarios we were given were grim to say the least.

He was in a coma for almost three weeks (not medically induced). After a week or so, he had to have a shunt put in to drain the fluid from his brain.

But I drove up to Baltimore every single day, and, while it took a toll on me, I do believe it made a difference for him to hear my voice and feel my presence. I also sang to him, and I believe that made a difference, too. I don't think I have a very good voice -- but who cares -- if HE likes it? I even brought up a cd player so I could sing along to some of his favorite songs.

One day he "woke up," as it's often put. He responded to me and it was absolutely magical! Of course, he didn't remember anything about the accident, but he KNEW I had been at his side the whole time and showed his appreciation. It took him a while to re-learn speech, but he got good at it pretty quickly!

Unfortunately, he became a little too vocal (TBI patients often lose the ability to "check" themselves), which resulted in the doctors cutting back on the meds that seemed to be working. I had to fight with them to continue with the drug protocols that had been working. :/

From that experience, the one thing I learned was that patients like my BF (and perhaps Ryan, too), really need an advocate on the scene; every day, if possible.

That said, you do need to take care of yourself or you won't be any good to anyone. Please do your best to find an equilibrium that works for you.

As with everyone else here, I am hoping and praying for a good outcome. :)
 
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Oh :tyou: for this!!! I'll check it out - and probably at my little local bank they'll do the notary for free! I wasn't looking forward driving a 800 mile trip to and back from L.A.!!

You are so welcome, Niner. I am very glad I was able to help (I do hope this works for you) An 800 mile trip would not be to my liking, either.

:grouphug: And I too could not EVEN imagine I would be friends with people I have not met... strange, eh? You all are the best! You all have calmed me down about the Huz' cancer! Plus I came back to say that we got some results today at the cancer doctor appointment! We are both :happydance: as his red blood cell count is UP!! And the proteins for the cancer cells in DOWN!! another :happydance: So this Lupren shot he's getting 3 months ago and another one today is WORKING!!! :skip: So we are feeling good today! :D


Isn't it amazing how attached we become with people we may never meet... I adore my online friends.

Thrilled about Huz's progress!! Congratulations to both of you. Sure hope you continue to bring good news to share. :loveyou: Have a restful night, dear friend.
 
GigiG, your post to our coffeejunkie reminded me of something I haven't thought about in a long while When I was in my early 20's a family friend I had gone to school with was in a bad car accident and was in a coma for a very long time. I visited often and spoke to him as though he could hear and understand everything I said. When he recovered, he told me many times how much he liked that. He knew I was there and was not sitting quietly, just waiting for him to die, or talking about him as though he was gone. He remembered some of the things I had talked about and said it was good to know someone believed in him coming back to us. From that experience, I have learned to not talk about a comatose patient in his presence as though he/she was just an object in the room.
 
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